Massacres in New Zealand Mosques

[Shiloh Raven]

I don't think eco-facism is connected with mainstream environmentalism. Some environmentalists are motivated by social justice, for instance, and that would be incompatible with the idea that environmental concerns are tied to racial purity.

Tolerance of Muslims does not mean condoning injustice towards gays. I mean really, your rhetoric here is insulting. We aren't about to throw our gay friends and family members under a bus just because we are against demonizing an entire religion.

And I am a progressive and a Christian, and I resent the accusation that one cannot be both.

Well said, my friend.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Tolerance of Muslims does not mean condoning injustice towards gays. I mean really, your rhetoric here is insulting. We aren't about to throw our gay friends and family members under a bus just because we are against demonizing an entire religion.

And I am a progressive and a Christian, and I resent the accusation that one cannot be both.

Hi your progressive values and tolerance of sin is what departing form the faith is about . The love of all includes all sinners but Paul said to put those who are involved in immorality out the the church let it not even be named among you. The preacher must condemn, inappropriate content, lust, adultery, fornication and homosexuality. The gospel is repent and believe. Your gospel has no repentance. The book of Revelation speaks to the churches warnings to two churches about allowing sexual immorality. “But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow[fn] that woman[fn] Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce[fn] My servants to commit sexual immorality.
God still protests this and we therefor need define what is sexual immorality. The verse I quoted about departing from the faith would indicate that the ideas held would be changed out for something new. Your progressive values are new and have not been held for over 1900 years. The tolerance of homosexulaity is a new thing. Is it a doctrine of demon? You tell me. Here is a quote by Anton Levey author of the Satanic Bible. He said this about television in the 1960's .
"Television is the major mainstream infiltration for the new satanic religion."

"It should be brought out that we not only condone, but encourage all types of what would be called sexual perversity and deviations because we feel that in a few short years it will be established that everyone is a sexual deviant and pervert.

In the Satanic Bible, "LaVey explained that he was moved to establish the Church of Satan when he saw the need for a church that would "recapture man's body and carnal desires as objects of celebration."

"The Church of Satan preaches a religious system that endeavors to overcome the repressions and inhibitions of human instinctual behavior it believes has been fostered by the Judeo-Christian tradition."

Note the 2nd quote and then think about gay pride parades and see if they are not in line with this philosophy put out by Lavey and have they not cast of the repression of Christian tradition?

Everyone wants to be on the side of right and today we have substituted the definition of right to be accepting, tolerant, and for equality and the broadening definition of these terms includes many things that contradict the old virtues of holiness, piety, chastity, righteousness.
The movement you support now extends to transgender rights and these rights are being used to transform society. This is the caboose on the train of moral decline and as Romans one speaks of people are given over to a debased mind.

 

[Archivist]

Perhaps we could get this thread back on to the topic at hand, that being the mosque shooting in New Zealand. Those wounded and the families of those killed remain in my prayers.

 

[parousia70]

Greenies are possibly one of the most dangerous things to the human race .
They see nothing wrong with wiping out 2 3rds of the earths people.to save trees.
As long as they themselves are in the surviving 3rd of course.

Sounds just like dispensational futurists. (Except the trees part, but the wipe out 2/3 of humanity very soon part? Yep, spot on)

 

[parousia70]

This group is wrong to kill and use these tactics but some of the arguments they hold about Islam being a danger and a threat are not out of touch with reality.

If the threat is as grave as you say, then why is the group wrong to confront it with those tactics?

The future violence is only going to escalate as time moves forward.

Unless the Muslims are extinguished?

The Bible teaches that it is the spirit of antichrist who denies the Father and the son. In Islam they teach God has never nor will never beget a son. These two philosophies are diametrically opposed to each other.

Just like Judaism, right?
Or do they get a pass when they deny the son? They don’t have the antichrist spirit when they deny the Son?

Judaism and Islam are equals in the eyes of God.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Judaism and Islam are equals in the eyes of God.

I doubt we would find many (if any) conservative Christians who would condemn Jews like that or the nation of Israel because these right wing Christians have the Jewish people and the nation of Israel up on a pedestal with their unwavering devotional support of them both. I don't know of any conservative evangelical Christians who don't faithfully support the Jews and Israel. They certainly defend both.

 

[parousia70]

The tolerance of homosexulaity is a new thing.

That’s just plain false.
Take off your 21st century goggles.

Not only has it been tolerated throughout multiple societies in the history of civilization, in some of those it was EXPECTED and mandatory.

Today is NOTHING like it once was.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

That’s just plain false.
Take off your 21st century goggles.

Not only has it been tolerated throughout multiple societies in the history of civilization, in some of those it was EXPECTED and mandatory.

Today is NOTHING like it once was.

Such as in Native American communities where these people are called "Two-Spirit" people.

 

[parousia70]

I doubt we would find many (if any) conservative Christians who would condemn Jews like that or the nation of Israel because these right wing Christians have the Jewish people and the nation of Israel up on a pedestal with their unwavering devotional support of them both. I don't know of any conservative evangelical Christians who don't faithfully support the Jews and Israel.

Odd bedfellows indeed.

Christians Preferring, even to the point of celebrating and deifying one group of Christ rejectors over another is just plain whackadoodle.

 

[MariaJLM]

I doubt we would find many (if any) conservative Christians who would condemn Jews like that or the nation of Israel because these right wing Christians have the Jewish people and the nation of Israel up on a pedestal with their unwavering devotional support of them both. I don't know of any conservative evangelical Christians who don't faithfully support the Jews and Israel. They certainly defend both.

But they're God's chosen people, duh! (Yes, that's meant to be read in a sarcastic tone.)

 

[Shiloh Raven]

The news media would use anything to try and discredit Mr Trump. There are lie, damnable lies, and news reports involving Mr Trump.

Donald Trump doesn't need help from the news media or from anyone else to discredit himself. He's earned the criticism and ridicule he receives from the news media and from the rest of the world.

Trump's most notable insults

Trump's Long History of Racism

Lyin' Donald: 101 Of Trump's Greatest Lies

Trump averaged 15 falsehoods a day in 2018

Donald Trump’s Long Record of Degrading Women

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

its a dilemma for sure. The Jews do not colonize and take over as Islam has shown and stated as their intent and are on the opposite end of most persecution. I believe we are in the last days approaching the tribulation. We are seeing the perplexity that Jesus spoke about. Rev says when the seals are broken it will be a days wage for a quart of wheat and peace will be taken form the earth that men should kill one another. The word is ethnos in Greek and it would seem when a major economic or a collapse by the dollar occurs these exact conditions will come about. The Jews reject Jesus and not the Father. The LORD says in Ezekiel that the people he gathers back from all the nations where they were scattered he will give them a new heart and they will know that He is the LORD. It says that they profaned the LORD's name everywhere they were scattered and the LORD promised to take away their reproach from the nations and that they will bereave no one anymore nor will they be bereaved themselves any more. Elsewhere the Bible says that many nations will be joined to the LORD and specifically Egypt and Syria and Israel will all be cool with each other.
19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the LORD will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the LORD in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the LORD and perform it. 22 And the LORD will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the LORD, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.” I can see the storms coming but I can't stop the rain. The Muslims can be converted rather than extinguished. That is the tactic the LORD would use.

If the threat is as grave as you say, then why is the group wrong to confront it with those tactics?


Unless the Muslims are extinguished?



Just like Judaism, right?
Or do they get a pass when they deny the son? They don’t have the antichrist spirit when they deny the Son?

Judaism and Islam are equals in the eyes of God.[/QUOTE

 

[StillGods]

it is difficult to have a right response in your own heart. there's fear, sadness, and all sorts of feelings. please say a prayer that as a nation New Zealand would have a right response that pleases God, thank you very much for any prayers

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Donald Trump doesn't need help from the news media or from anyone else to discredit himself. He's earned the criticism and ridicule he receives from the news media and from the rest of the world.

Trump's most notable insults

Trump's Long History of Racism

Lyin' Donald: 101 Of Trump's Greatest Lies

Trump averaged 15 falsehoods a day in 2018

Donald Trump’s Long Record of Degrading Women

Perhaps. But let's not get sidetracked away from the OP and get into a vain debate about Mr Trump.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

If the threat is as grave as you say, then why is the group wrong to confront it with those tactics?


Unless the Muslims are extinguished?



Just like Judaism, right?
Or do they get a pass when they deny the son? They don’t have the antichrist spirit when they deny the Son?

Judaism and Islam are equals in the eyes of God.

This is not the time or place to debate whether Muslims are a threat or not, or who they are in the eyes of God. The purpose of this thread is to show empathy with the families of 49 innocent people who were cruelly murdered while in prayer to their God. And to pray for the recovery of the innocent 5 year old child who was deliberately targeted by the killer.

The great and widespread response by New Zealanders of prayer and sympathy would be just the same if it were 49 Jewish worshipers murdered in their synagogue, or 49 Christian people while worshiping God in their church, or even 49 people murdered while shopping in the local supermarket.

It makes no difference about the label. 49 people had their lives cruelly cut short, and we mourn along with their families.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Perhaps. But let's not get sidetracked away from the OP and get into a vain debate about Mr Trump.

You're right. We need to stay on the original topic and not debate anymore about Trump.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I remember in the recent past how the "normal right wing" lambasted the "normal muslims" for "not doing enough" because they were not immediately speaking out against and condemning Islamic terrorist attacks in the strongest of terms possible, claiming that by their silence they were complicit.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot it seems the normal right doth protest too much.

Being here in New Zealand, I don't see many people protesting, but I see multitudes of ordinary New Zealanders bringing flowers to place in front of the mosques, hugging affected families and mourning with them. That's what New Zealanders of all races and creeds do in times like these.

I note in the Christchurch earthquake that took many lives, Muslims as well as others grieved with the families who lost loved ones. In times of tragedy and heartbreak, New Zealanders forget about religious labels, and do what is more important: showing love, support and sympathy for suffering people.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I knew it would only be a matter of time before the U.S. was blamed for the shooting.

I don't know about that, but I do know that New Zealand doesn't get the blame for any mass shootings in the U.S!

 

[Francis Drake]

Now the news is saying anyone who supports Trump supports what happened because this guy loved Trump. Really? This guy was a far right extremist. One who also loved the Axis and Hitler.

Despite the popular narrative of "extreme right wing", Adolf Hitler was never right wing, but always left wing, ie. a socialist through and through.
The clue is in the name, THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. ie. The Nazis were all socialist workers!
Hitler constantly spoke about his socialist plans and achievements in Nazi Germany.

The normal right doesn't support this sort of stuff....ever.

That's because its left wing not right.
This quote from Zerohedge,com reveals a little more -
"The terrorist gunman who killed 49 Muslims at a mosque in New Zealand said in his own manifesto that he wanted “no part of” conservatism, describing himself as an “eco-fascist” and expressing admiration for Communist China."

Answering the question “Were/are you a conservative?”, Brenton Tarrant wrote, “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, “I want no part of it.”

Sounds closer to Bernie that Trump, but of course, you'll never get this on the mainstream media, as they have an agenda which blames Trump for every evil.

 

[Silverback]

Despite the popular narrative of "extreme right wing", Adolf Hitler was never right wing, but always left wing, ie. a socialist through and through.
The clue is in the name, THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. ie. The Nazis were all socialist workers!
Hitler constantly spoke about his socialist plans and achievements in Nazi Germany.

That's because its left wing not right.
This quote from Zerohedge,com reveals a little more -
"The terrorist gunman who killed 49 Muslims at a mosque in New Zealand said in his own manifesto that he wanted “no part of” conservatism, describing himself as an “eco-fascist” and expressing admiration for Communist China."

Answering the question “Were/are you a conservative?”, Brenton Tarrant wrote, “No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, “I want no part of it.”

Sounds closer to Bernie that Trump, but of course, you'll never get this on the mainstream media, as they have an agenda which blames Trump for every evil.

In reference to Hitler, you are absolutely correct about him being a left wing socialist, him, and all the rest of his cronies.

People are so blind, and so greedy, envious for what others have, there sense of entitlement is out of control.