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If this is unreasonable and it has been initiated to cause some economic reset... then.. soon enough the amount of dept it's generating and the economic upheaval reaches the pockets of those making all the money... It will end.The claims and demands have become increasingly hysterical and unreasonable. I read one doctor claim this virus will dominate the rest of our lives. That strikes me as completely unhinged. It is not reasonable to expect that people will hunker down in their homes, wearing masks when they dain to go out for years on end.
I'm not so sure this isn't just about me making you comfortable.
A cloth mask as has been shown does help mitigate the spread. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about that.
This issue isn't one and done either. masks, social distancing, closing places of high risk, judicious hand washing and sanitizers, thorough cleanings with disinfectants..Remember that seat belt in the imaginary 90 mph crash? Why do you think there are other precautions such as roll cages, fire retardant clothing, impact rated helmet, Hans device, 5 point harnesses, crumple zones? Same reason there are different levels of response and PPE's for different levels of infectious control. It is not one and done, as if one mask filters all.
Can you explain to me what testing and/or regulations there are to standardize a filtration efficacy in cloth masks? What is the set norm of particulate they must filter to pass this testing?
I care for all people, not just myself. For if I cared for myself, I wouldn't have gone into burning buildings to help others that were trapped. I wouldn't put myself in harm's way every shift, even before this epidemic started.
I care for all people, not just myself. For if I cared for myself, I wouldn't have gone into burning buildings to help others that were trapped. I wouldn't put myself in harm's way every shift, even before this epidemic started
Can you explain to me what testing and/or regulations there are to standardize a filtration efficacy in cloth masks? What is the set norm of particulate they must filter to pass this testing?
The reason for my headache is because I care for all people, and I don't want to see them harmed.
Even via their own stupidity,
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I am done replying to this.
One does not need to know what testing and/or regulations there are to standardize a filtration efficacy in cloth masks nor what is the set norm of particulate they must filter to pass this testing.
This issue isn't one and done either. masks, social distancing, closing places of high risk, judicious hand washing and sanitizers, thorough cleanings with disinfectants..
See recent studies at bottom of CDC link.Why? Why would people be so trusting of something other people are requiring under the notion of your own safety?
There are no standardized tests or regulations for cloth masks. None. I am not even aware of any testing of material types you might be breathing through being checked for toxicity, or what might be inhaled from the mask.
See recent studies at bottom of CDC link.
Sounds like you want the best respirator you can find.
I want my rights to remain intact, as well as your own to-do as you see fit.
Interesting. The government has no right to require that you wear a maskThere's a difference between covering up sexual objects and covering one's face.
History will likely view this pandemic and the response as utterly foolish. We will be laughed at for destroying economy over such a minor virus. My guess is that this is the beginning of the end of American dominance in the world. Perhaps it will be traced back to 911 and the two costly and disastrous wars we fought. Our virus response has further exposed American fiscal incompetence such that we are unlikely to recover from this in a short amount of time. Our failure to turn to Christ during these times only makes our situation worse.If this is unreasonable and it has been initiated to cause some economic reset... then.. soon enough the amount of dept it's generating and the economic upheaval reaches the pockets of those making all the money... It will end.
History will be written to show something totally different.
History will likely view this pandemic and the response as utterly foolish. We will be laughed at for destroying economy over such a minor virus. My guess is that this is the beginning of the end of American dominance in the world. Perhaps it will be traced back to 911 and the two costly and disastrous wars we fought. Our virus response has further exposed American fiscal incompetence such that we are unlikely to recover from this in a short amount of time. Our failure to turn to Christ during these times only makes our situation worse.
If I may play doomsday I think the next 20 years are going to be incredibly difficult. We will no longer be a superpower by 2040. Whether China takes over via war or a total American economic collapse remains to be seen. I would not be shocked if there is a second American civil war, perhaps racial in nature but not necessarily.
Make no mistake though, our extreme overreaction to the virus will be looked at by historians as a major cause of American economic and political decline.
The notion that science has determined that masks are going to save us from Chinese Coronavirus (or any other disease) is utter tosh. Anyone telling you science is settled on any issue should raise a red flag. On masks, science isn't close to settled.
The British Journal of Medicine says cloth masks are 97% useless. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
A study of the more serious 1918 flu pandemic showed masks useless. The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications
Another study shows cloth masks useless compared to surgical masks. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
Other studies show cloth masks useless compared to surgical masks, even the latter are questionable. They include:
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf
Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles
Masks are associated with oxygen deprivation and increased rates of infection according to these studies:
[Effect of a surgical mask on six minute walking distance] - PubMed
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30169507/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/
A 2015 British study on surgical masks revealed masks don't really protect patient or surgeon very much. And that's in sterile settings. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...-KkzpdkmzltnAf-GXp7gMeQkkyeZJ6gEs7G5h8PHln_R0
Finally, one New England Journal of Medicine editorial acknowledged the uselessness of masks but demanded universal masking nonetheless less for its placebo effect. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
There is plenty of evidence out there that masks and mask mandates aren't working and in fact are causing harm. They're a placebo to make you think you're protected and to make politicians look like they're doing something when they're in reality doing nothing.
Do your own research.
Case Western is a decent school. Last I looked it was ranked 76th in the US News rankings.I have an undergraduate degree from Michigan State and a Juris Doctor from Case Western Reserve. My degrees are recognized worldwide as being from top notch institutions.
I just saw that the other day. When I was there it was in the upper 40's. I have no idea why it's dropped so much although it looks to me like they dropped a lot of their academics for practical lawyering. That may explain the drop.Case Western is a decent school. Last I looked it was ranked 76th in the US News rankings.
Except the most recent report from the CDC says otherwise. I believe it was posted earlier in the thread.The objection is that masks don't save lives, they're nothing more than a placebo.
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