MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

[Douggg]

Antichrist is against or opposes God's Word. It does not have to come out of ISRAEL. Not sure how you come by that reasoning

"Anti" the prefix means instead of, and/or against. The Anti-Christ will be both.

But it is necessary to know the concept of "Christ" to get the meaning of Anti-Christ.

"Christ the King of Israel" Mark 15:32. Considered "the" messiah.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

I do not think that the person who becomes the Antichrist comes out of Israel, but out of Europe, the Roman Empire of the end times. I think we are pretty close to him emerging.

When the person first emerges, he is not the Antichrist, but the little horn person - 7th julio-claudian family king of the Roman Empire - albeit his heritage may not something made known.

It isn't until after Gog/Magog, and Israel thinking she is on the doorstep of the messianic age, that the person is perceived by the Jews as being the messiah and anointed the King of Israel (by the false prophet, perceived to be Elijah). Making the person the Antichrist at that time.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Every end times expert on here tries to show what scripture means to 'them'.

You quote scripture and say it means this, or that. That is private interpretation.

Not really brother. For prophetic scriptures God's WORD says

2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The scriptures interpret themselves. How has what you have posted here above respond to what you are replying to which was...

LGW said: Can you prove your claims from the scriptures? If so, can you share them here?"

You simply ignored the post and the questions asked of you brother did you wish to answer the post?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

God bless.

 

[Lost4words]

Not really brother. For prophetic scriptures God's WORD says

2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The scriptures interpret themselves. How has what you have posted here above respond to what you are replying to which was...



You simply ignored the post and the questions asked of you brother did you wish to answer the post?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

God bless.

Oh dear dear. You dont see it, do you?

Never mind...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Oh dear dear. You dont see it, do you?

Never mind...

See what my brother? You have not answered anything in the posts asked of you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"Anti" the prefix means instead of, and/or against. The Anti-Christ will be both.

But it is necessary to know the concept of "Christ" to get the meaning of Anti-Christ.

"Christ the King of Israel" Mark 15:32. Considered "the" messiah.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

I do not think that the person who becomes the Antichrist comes out of Israel, but out of Europe, the Roman Empire of the end times. I think we are pretty close to him emerging.

When the person first emerges, he is not the Antichrist, but the little horn person - 7th julio-claudian family king of the Roman Empire - albeit his heritage may not something made known.

It isn't until after Gog/Magog, and Israel thinking she is on the doorstep of the messianic age, that the person is perceived by the Jews as being the messiah and anointed the King of Israel (by the false prophet, perceived to be Elijah). Making the person the Antichrist at that time.

Hello brother Dougg. I believe God's WORD provides the definitions of what the Antichrist is and interprets itself. The antichrist according to God's WORD is anything or anyone that opposes God's WORD and there are many forms of the Antichrist as John tells us...

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

*Detailed scriptures support is provided here on the ANTICHRIST click me.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother however we may need to agree to disagree on this one. I hope you can look at the scriptures provided here. Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Douggg]

Hello brother Dougg. I believe God's WORD provides the definitions of what the Antichrist is and interprets itself. The antichrist according to God's WORD is anything or anyone that opposes God's WORD and there are many forms of the Antichrist as John tells us...

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

*Detailed scriptures support is provided here on the ANTICHRIST click me.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother however we may need to agree to disagree on this one. I hope you can look at the scriptures provided here. Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

It is ALL of God's WORD that provides the definition of what the Antichrist is and interprets itself. You are looking at on part of the passages and not considering what the root word Christ means as what is meant by "the" Christ.

It comes down to how many "the" Christ - you think there are.

There is only one - Jesus. Acting as Jesus would act, as Christians are supposed to do, doesn't make individual Christians - Him.

Likewise, there will be only one "the Antichrist". Acting like he will act - could liken a person to be called an antichrist - which John did in 1John2. Also, acting in the traits that the Antichrist will have - could be said that behavior is antichrist.


So to understand the role of the Antichrist - a person must know from the bible what "the Christ" meant as far as "Anti" to be instead of and against. "the Christ" is the promised "King of Israel" son of David. One of a kind.

That is the role the person will have to assume to become the Antichrist.

In addition, there will have to be someone to anoint him as the (illegitimate) King of Israel. The only three kings in the past of united Israel were anointed by a prophet. Saul and David, by Samuel; Solomon by Nathan.

And that is what the Jews expect, they tell me, that the person they look for to become the King of Israel will have to be anointed by a known prophet.

Which they are expecting Elijah. And the only personality in the bible that profiles that expectation, in a false sense, is the false prophet in Revelation.
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The lack of knowledge and awareness on this matter is broad among Christians.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It is ALL of God's WORD that provides the definition of what the Antichrist is and interprets itself. You are looking at on part of the passages and not considering what the root word Christ means as what is meant by "the" Christ.

It comes down to how many "the" Christ - you think there are.

There is only one - Jesus. Acting as Jesus would act, as Christians are supposed to do, doesn't make individual Christians - Him.

Likewise, there will be only one "the Antichrist". Acting like he will act - could liken a person to be called an antichrist - which John did in 1John2. Also, acting in the traits that the Antichrist will have - could be said that behavior is antichrist.


So to understand the role of the Antichrist - a person must know from the bible what "the Christ" meant as far as "Anti" to be instead of and against. "the Christ" is the promised "King of Israel" son of David. One of a kind.

That is the role the person will have to assume to become the Antichrist.

In addition, there will have to be someone to anoint him as the (illegitimate) King of Israel. The only three kings in the past of united Israel were anointed by a prophet. Saul and David, by Samuel; Solomon by Nathan.

And that is what the Jews expect, they tell me, that the person they look for to become the King of Israel will have to be anointed by a known prophet.

Which they are expecting Elijah. And the only personality in the bible that profiles that expectation, in a false sense, is the false prophet in Revelation.
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The lack of knowledge and awareness on this matter is broad among Christians.

Well that is not true brother. Post #25 shows that there are many antichrists including those to come and those already working. Scripture is used to define the scriptures on the meaning of the Word Antichrist. It seems you did not read the post and the linked scriptures in it did you?

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

*Detailed scriptures support is provided here on the ANTICHRIST click me.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

God bless.

 

[Douggg]

Well that is not true brother. Post #25 shows that there are many antichrists including those to come and those already working. Scripture is used to define the scriptures on the meaning of the Word Antichrist

You are only using part of the scriptures. You are omitting what "the Christ" means - the root word in the Antichrist, from scripture. And you are not considering other parts of the bible pertaining to the person, like in Isaiah 14:18-19.

Mark 15;32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

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1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

Anitchrist singular. Them John was speaking to already had heard that a singular Antichrist was coming.

John was "likening" them who were falling away from Christianity - as being antichrists - not that they were the coming Antichrist.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are only using part of the scriptures. You are omitting what "the Christ" means - the root word in the Antichrist, from scripture. And you are not considering other parts of the bible pertaining to the person, like in Isaiah 14:18-19.

Mark 15;32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

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1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

Anitchrist singular. Them John was speaking to already had heard that a singular Antichrist was coming.

John was "likening" them who were falling away from Christianity - as being antichrists - not that they were the coming Antichrist.

Hi brother Dougg, well that is not true.

The GREEK word used here agrees with the scriptures already provided in previous posts showing that the antichrist according to God's WORD is anything or anyone that opposes God's WORD and there are many forms of Antichrist as written in the book of JOHN.

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God. This is what has been shared with you from the beginning. John says even in his day many antichrists had arisen so there is many different forms of opposition to God's WORD (JESUS the living Word).

Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

Hope this helps

God bless.

 

[Douggg]

ἀντίχριστος

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

The Antichrist will be both instead of and against - Jesus, the rightful King of Israel.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

The Antichrist will be both instead of and against - Jesus, the rightful King of Israel.

Brother that definition is the one I have used as applied to the scriptures from the previous post in...

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

Even in place of means the same.

JOHN 1:1-3
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[14], And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God. This is what has been shared with you from the beginning. John says even in his day many antichrists had arisen so there is many different forms of opposition to God's WORD (JESUS the living Word). The antichrist is opposes God's WORD in place of God's WORD fits the same definition of the scriptures that have already been provided to you.

Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

Hope this helps

God bless.

 

[Douggg]

Brother that definition is the one I have used as applied to the scriptures from the previous post in...

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

Even in place of means the same.

JOHN 1:1-3
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[14], And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God. This is what has been shared with you from the beginning. John says even in his day many antichrists had arisen so there is many different forms of opposition to God's WORD (JESUS the living Word). The antichrist is opposes God's WORD in place of God's WORD fits the same definition of the scriptures that have already been provided to you.

Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

Hope this helps

God bless.

"The Christ" doesn't mean word. It means the anointed King of Israel, son of David. It is Antichrist - not Anti-word.

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The another will be the Antichrist.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"The Christ" doesn't mean word. It means the anointed King of Israel, son of David. It is Antichrist - not Anti-word.

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The another will be the Antichrist.

Hello brother none of those scriptures support what you are claiming here in relation to the Antichrist being the king of the Jews outside of the Roman Catholic Church. As posted earlier and as JOHN says;

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

Even in place of means the same and in context of JOHN there is is many forms of the antichrist. JESUS is not separate from Christ. JESUS CHRIST is the LIVING WORD of GOD and this is what the antichrist opposes.

JOHN 1:1-3
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[14], And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God. This is what has been shared with you from the beginning. John says even in his day many antichrists had arisen so there is many different forms of opposition to God's WORD (JESUS the living Word). The antichrist is opposes God's WORD in place of God's WORD fits the same definition of the scriptures that have already been provided to you.

It seems you have completely ignored these scriptures that disagree with you. Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

Did you have anything new to add? You seem to be only repeating yourself now brother. If not we will have to agree to disagree I guess.


Hope this helps

God bless.

 

[Douggg]

Did you have anything new to add? You seem to be only repeating yourself now brother. If not we will have to agree to disagree I guess.

my last post I did something new in communicating to you - John 1:11 is tied to John 5:43 regarding the Antichrist.

You never have responded to my point of how the Pope can be the person, when considering Isaiah 14:18-19.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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Are you aware that the person's soul ends up in hell because God has him killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10, for claiming to be God.... sitting in the seat of God, in the temple in 2Thessalonians2:4 ?

The prince of Tyrus is just a code name.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Douggg]

It seems you have completely ignored these scriptures that disagree with you. Can you see that the Antichrist is against Christ who is the living Word of God and there are many forms of it?

I disagree with SDA interpretation of those scriptures, not with any of the scriptures themselves.

Have you ever read the Antichrist by Arthur Pink? While I disagree with with Pink on some points, he dedicated one chapter as to why the Antichrist is not the Papacy...

The Antichrist - CHAPTER TWO. THE PAPACY NOT THE ANTICHRIST.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello brother Dougg, some comments for your consideration below.

my last post I did something new in communicating to you - John 1:11 is tied to John 5:43 regarding the Antichrist.

None of these scriptures in John 1:11 John 5:43 support your claim of an antichrist coming being the king of the JEWS outside of the Roman Catholic Church. Also, how do you think these scriptures make the scriptures of JOHN no more?

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

Even in place of means the same and in context of JOHN there is is many forms of the antichrist. JESUS is not separate from Christ. JESUS CHRIST is the LIVING WORD of GOD and this is what the antichrist opposes.

JOHN 1:1-3
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[14], And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God. This is what has been shared with you from the beginning. John says even in his day many antichrists had arisen so there is many different forms of opposition to God's WORD (JESUS the living Word). The antichrist is opposes God's WORD in place of God's WORD fits the same definition of the scriptures that have already been provided to you.

You never have responded to my point of how the Pope can be the person, when considering Isaiah 14:18-19.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Why do you think this point needs to be responded to in Isaiah 14:18-19 when the pope and the Romans Catholic Church power (not the people in the RCC God has his people here too) can be shown as the antichrist in the books of Daniel and Revelation in relation to the MARK of the BEAST? After all this is the topic of the OP. Also, what makes you think Isaiah 14:18-19 is talking about the antichrist being the king of the Jews? In prophetic scriptures brother we must let the scriptures interpret themselves *2 PETER 1:20

Are you aware that the person's soul ends up in hell because God has him killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10, for claiming to be God.... sitting in the seat of God, in the temple in 2Thessalonians2:4 ?

The prince of Tyrus is just a code name.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Now brother how do you get from any of these scriptures that the antichrist is the king of the Jews? You can quite easliy apply these scriptures to the pope and the RCC which all the early reformers taught was the antichrist as well as the books of Daniel and Revelation.

Thanks for sharing though Doug.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I disagree with SDA interpretation of those scriptures, not with any of the scriptures themselves.

Have you ever read the Antichrist by Arthur Pink? While I disagree with with Pink on some points, he dedicated one chapter as to why the Antichrist is not the Papacy...

The Antichrist - CHAPTER TWO. THE PAPACY NOT THE ANTICHRIST.

You are free to believe as you wish brother. We are all only held accountable to God come judgment day. I am not sure what you disagree with and why as prophetic scriptures are not of private interpretation *2 PETER 1:20. We use scripture to interpret the scriptures. You seem to be using private interpretation of the scriptures in your posts. I still do not understand what it is you actually disagree with and you are still to make a case showing that the antichrist as you believe is the king of the Jews or have you addressed all the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation on who ISRAEL is in the new covenant.

I appreciate your thoughts however brother and thanks for sharing them.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Douggg]

Why do you think this point needs to be responded to in Isaiah 14:18-19 when the pope and the Romans Catholic Church power (not the people in the RCC God has his people here too) can be shown as the antichrist in the books of Daniel and Revelation in relation to the MARK of the BEAST?

It needs to be responded to because it is a key part of the end times prophecies regarding the person. And it futher eliminates why the person cannot be the Pope or a muslim (another popular theory, but which has surfaced in recent times).

The person will be killed and brought back to life.... as the beast.

btw, it is not simply mark of the beast, it is the mark of his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It needs to be responded to because it is a key part of the end times prophecies regarding the person. And it futher eliminates why the person cannot be the Pope or a muslim (another popular theory, but which has surfaced in recent times).

The person will be killed and brought back to life.... as the beast.

btw, it is not simply mark of the beast, it is the mark of his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Not really brother. As posted earlier it can be shown very clearly through the books of DANIEL AND REVELATION who the antichrist is they are the Little Horn of the 4th BEAST of DANIEL 7, the first BEAST of REVELATION 13, BABYLON the Mother of harlots. These are all the same power that deceive the world into receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST. The number of the BEAST is the number of a man and it's number is 666. (See the OP for scripture support).

REVELATIONS 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

The book of ISAIAH is not the book of REVELATION and DANIAL and has nothing to do with identifying the MARK OF THE BEAST.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however brother.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word

 

[Douggg]

Now brother how do you get from any of these scriptures that the antichrist is the king of the Jews? You can quite easliy apply these scriptures to the pope and the RCC which all the early reformers taught was the antichrist as well as the books of Daniel and Revelation.

In Isaiah 14, the person's soul in hell, he is not the Antichrist, King of Israel any longer at that time. When he goes into the temple sits, claims to be God, the Jews will be mortified and reject him as continuing as their King of Israel.

It ends his stint as the Antichrist. He becomes the revealed man of sin. Who will be killed and brought back to life as the beast.

You have two things you need to change in your end times view.

1. The Antichrist is only for when the person is in the role of the King of Israel, perceived messiah by the Jews.... for about 3 years.

2. Before becoming the Antichrist, he is the King of the Roman Empire. And after his 3 years (thereabouts) stint as the Antichrist, he becomes the beast, the King of the Roman Empire.