MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello all this is a thread for sharing scriptures on MARK OF THE BEAST.

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST CLICK ME?

There is a simple study from God's WORD * DANIEL AND REVELATION and history here beastsmark.com for those who may be interested in the scriptures and some more detail.

God's WORD teaches that GOD'S PEOPLE ARE IN EVERY CHURCH! Theye are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD as much as God has revealed to them. *JOHN 10:16; ACT 17:30-31.

I would like to discuss the following scriptures here in this OP.

REVELATION 14:6-12
[6], And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,
[7], Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment has come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
[8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
[12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (linked to scripture studies in this thread)

Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6 linked
Q2. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO FEAR GOD? v7 linked
Q3. HOW DO WE GIVE GLORY TO GOD? v7 linked
Q4. WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT ABOUT? v7 linked
Q5. WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT? v8; 17:1-5; 18:1-9
Q6. THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS OVER WHORSHIP v8-12
Q7. WHO IS GOD’S TRUE CHURCH IN GOD’S WORD? v12
Q8. WHAT DOES A BEAST OF KINGDOM REPRESENT IN DANIAL AND REVELATIONS?
Q9 WHAT ARE THE SYMBOLS AND MEANING OF MARK, SIGN AND SEAL?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?
Q12. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SUNDAY LAWS HAVE ALREADY PASSED?
Q13. WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE MAN OF SIN, THE BEAST AND 666?
Q14. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 1/2
Q15. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 2/2

QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT

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FRIENDLY CHRISTIAN DISCUSSION AND SCRIPTURE ONLY PLEASE.

God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Southernscotty]

I have been studying AI lately and while I cannot say for certain, It seems plausible that robots and AI could be possible?
Dan 2:43 is one that I keep going back too, Anyone else seeing this?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have been studying AI lately and while I cannot say for certain, It seems plausible that robots and AI could be possible?
Dan 2:43 is one that I keep going back too, Anyone else seeing this?

Hello brother Scotty, nice to meet you here .

It is hard to say how the MARK will be enforced but Daniel 2 is in reference to the statue of the dream by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar which the scriptures tell as the different parts represent different world kingdoms that would have an impact on God's people. *DANIEL 2:31-42

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother Scotty. It will still be interesting however to see how the beast of REVELATION enforces it's MARK (not buying and selling)

God bless.

 

[Lost4words]

Mark of the beast refers to Nero's time.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Mark of the beast refers to Nero's time.

Hello brother Lost4words,

Nero? How do you get that from end day prophecy?

 

[Berean Tim]

Mark of the beast refers to Nero's time.

What was Nero's "fatal wound that was healed " ? Revelation chapter 13 says three times the beast has a fatal wound that was healed.
IMO you must have both , the number of his name (666) and the fatal wound to identify the beast

 

[Lost4words]

What was Nero's "fatal wound that was healed " ? Revelation chapter 13 says three times the beast has a fatal wound that was healed.
IMO you must have both , the number of his name (666) and the fatal wound to identify the beast

Interpretation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What was Nero's "fatal wound that was healed " ? Revelation chapter 13 says three times the beast has a fatal wound that was healed.
IMO you must have both , the number of his name (666) and the fatal wound to identify the beast

Hi brother Tim, welcome here and nice to meet you.

Good post. I think it is important that all the scriptures need to be aligned and scripture needs to interpret the scriptures when it comes to bible prophecy.

2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

What are your thoughts on the two Beasts and the MARK of REVELATION 13 and REVELATION 14?

Thanks for sharing brother,

God bless.

 

[Berean Tim]

Interpretation.

Not sure what you mean

 

[Lost4words]

Not sure what you mean

All the experts on end times have their own unique interpretation of what Revelation means.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All the experts on end times have their own unique interpretation of what Revelation means.

What does it mean to you?

 

[Lost4words]

What does it mean to you?

I believe in the partial preterist view of Revelation. There is more too it than just black and white. You cant read it at face value. It was written for the generation of the Apostles.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe in the partial preterist view of Revelation. There is more too it than just black and white. You cant read it at face value. It was written for the generation of the Apostles.

Trouble is with that view of Nero it does not follow the biblical rules for prophetic interpretation of scriptures and nothing from REVELATION has been fulfilled including the 2nd coming. 2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Can you prove your claims from the scriptures? If so, can you share them here?

 

[Lost4words]

Your view is of private interpretation though. As is the many on here with their own views on end times.

 

[Douggg]

Hello all this is a thread for sharing scriptures on MARK OF THE BEAST.

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST CLICK ME?

There is a simple study from God's WORD * DANIEL AND REVELATION and history here beastsmark.com for those who may be interested in the scriptures and some more detail.

God's WORD teaches that GOD'S PEOPLE ARE IN EVERY CHURCH! Theye are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD as much as God has revealed to them. *JOHN 10:16; ACT 17:30-31.

I would like to discuss the following scriptures here in this OP.

REVELATION 14:6-12
[6], And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,
[7], Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment has come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
[8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
[12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

...............

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (linked to scripture studies in this thread)

Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6 linked
Q2. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO FEAR GOD? v7 linked
Q3. HOW DO WE GIVE GLORY TO GOD? v7 linked
Q4. WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT ABOUT? v7 linked
Q5. WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT? v8; 17:1-5; 18:1-9
Q6. THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS OVER WHORSHIP v8-12
Q7. WHO IS GOD’S TRUE CHURCH IN GOD’S WORD? v12
Q8. WHAT DOES A BEAST OF KINGDOM REPRESENT IN DANIAL AND REVELATIONS?
Q9 WHAT ARE THE SYMBOLS AND MEANING OF MARK, SIGN AND SEAL?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?
Q12. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SUNDAY LAWS HAVE ALREADY PASSED?
Q13. WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE MAN OF SIN, THE BEAST AND 666?
Q14. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 1/2
Q15. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 2/2

QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT

...............

FRIENDLY CHRISTIAN DISCUSSION AND SCRIPTURE ONLY PLEASE.

God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

The flaw with the SDA view and that of the reformers is the concept of the Christ is actually being the promised King of Israel, Son of David.

So to be the Antichrist, the person will have to be a Jew and his religion Judaism for the Jews to embrace him as their King, the messiah.

But a counter problem with that - is a big portion of the prophecies are geared to the person being the leader of the Roman Empire.

King of Israel - illegitimate, the Antichrist
King of the Roman empire - the little horn, the beast.

Here is schematic I prepared that explains how the two tracks will fit together. The person is the Antichrist - illegitimate King of Israel, only for the time he is in that role.

When he betrays the Jews and claims to be God, they will reject him as their king.

But the ten kings of the Roman Empire of the end times (the EU final form) will give their EU kingdom over to him (Revelation 17:17) with him as their leader. As he will be no longer the Antichrist, but the beast.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Touble is with that view of Nero it does not follow the biblical rules for prophetic interpretation of scriptures and nothing from REVELATION has been fulfilled including the 2nd coming. 2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Can you prove your claims from the scriptures? If so, can you share them here?

I believe in the partial preterist view of Revelation. There is more too it than just black and white. You cant read it at face value. It was written for the generation of the Apostles.

Wasn't Revelation 12:5 fulfilled in the 1st century?

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth<5088> a Son, a male,
Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.
Gap of time................
And caught away was her Child unto God and His throne,

Matthew 1:
21 and she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save His people from their sins.’
Luke 2:
7 and she brought forth her Son — the first-born, and wrapped him up, and laid him down in the manger, because there was not for them a place in the guest-chamber.

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, a male,
Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.
and caught away was her Child unto God and His throne,

Acts 1
9 And these things having said — they beholding —
He was taken up, and a cloud did receive him up from their sight;
10 and as they were looking stedfastly to the heaven in His going on, then, lo! two men stood by them in white apparel,

Btw, how long a time period was it between Jesus's birth and death?


.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your view is of private interpretation though. As is the many on here with their own views on end times.

Hello brother I am not sure if you are talking to me or not but that statement has no truth in it as we follow the rules of prophetic interpretation as shown in the previous post.

The following was from the previpous post, did you read it?

"Trouble is with that view of Nero it does not follow the biblical rules for prophetic interpretation of scriptures and nothing from REVELATION has been fulfilled including the 2nd coming. 2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Can you prove your claims from the scriptures? If so, can you share them here?"

If you did read the above, you did not respond to it but went off talking about something that was not relevant to the post you were responding to.

Did you wish to discuss the above?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The flaw with the SDA view and that of the reformers is the concept of the Christ is actually being the promised King of Israel, Son of David.

So to be the Antichrist, the person will have to be a Jew and his religion Judaism for the Jews to embrace him as their King, the messiah.

But a counter problem with that - is a big portion of the prophecies are geared to the person being the leader of the Roman Empire.

King of Israel - illegitimate, the Antichrist
King of the Roman empire - the little horn, the beast.

Here is schematic I prepared that explains how the two tracks will fit together. The person is the Antichrist - illegitimate King of Israel, only for the time he is in that role.

When he betrays the Jews and claims to be God, they will reject him as their king.

But the ten kings of the Roman Empire of the end times (the EU final form) will give their EU kingdom over to him (Revelation 17:17) with him as their leader. As he will be no longer the Antichrist, but the beast.

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Hello Doug nice to meet you here and welcome .

Brother none of what you have posted above makes any sense in the light of who ISRAEL is in the NEW COVENANT. Understanding who the 4th BEAST and the little Horn is of DANIEL shows the different phases of the pagan and papal Roman power. Antichrist means against or opposes God's Word and it takes many forms *1 JOHN 2:18. It does not have to come out of ISRAEL. Not sure how you come by that reasoning. Do you know who God's ISRAEL is under the NEW COVENANT or NEW TESTAMENT scriptures? Happy to share God's Word with you.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Wasn't Revelation 12:5 fulfilled in the 1st century?

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth<5088> a Son, a male,
Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.
Gap of time................
And caught away was her Child unto God and His throne,

Matthew 1:
21 and she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save His people from their sins.’
Luke 2:
7 and she brought forth her Son — the first-born, and wrapped him up, and laid him down in the manger, because there was not for them a place in the guest-chamber.

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, a male,
Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.
and caught away was her Child unto God and His throne,

Acts 1
9 And these things having said — they beholding —
He was taken up, and a cloud did receive him up from their sight;
10 and as they were looking stedfastly to the heaven in His going on, then, lo! two men stood by them in white apparel,

Btw, how long a time period was it between Jesus's birth and death?

.

Hello LLOG, my post you were responding to was in relation to the MARK OF THE BEAST which is what the OP is about. Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

God bless.

 

[Lost4words]

Hello brother I am not sure if you are talking to me or not but that statement has no truth in it as we follow the rules of prophetic interpretation as shown in the previous post.

The following was from the previpous post, did you read it?

"Trouble is with that view of Nero it does not follow the biblical rules for prophetic interpretation of scriptures and nothing from REVELATION has been fulfilled including the 2nd coming. 2 PETER 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Can you prove your claims from the scriptures? If so, can you share them here?"

If you did read the above, you did not respond to it but went off talking about something that was not relevant to the post you were responding to.

Did you wish to discuss the above?

Every end times expert on here tries to show what scripture means to 'them'.

You quote scripture and say it means this, or that. That is private interpretation.