Man is Polluting Science

[SteveB28]

If it was good enough for the King James writers to put those names there, it's good enough for me.

Can I interest you in the Sydney Harbour Bridge........?

 

[SteveB28]

How likely is it that all 11 people would have had the same "personality disorder" and believe the exact same lie enough to die for it? Can you give an example in history where this happened before?

How many people killed themselves on Sept 11, 2001?

 

[SteveB28]

This is not about the 2/3 of other people. I dont know why you keep bringing it up. The mass suicide in Jonestown was a result of brainwashing and manipulation in order to make his followers believe out of faith that Jim Jones was true. The apostles did not believe in the resurrection out of faith! They believed because they claimed to have witnessed the resurection! No faith or brainwashing required!

And you have no way of validating any claims made. Furthermore, you have no way of showing that is was the supposed disciples that made those claims.

 

[SteveB28]

You are still,missing the point. People die for,religious belief because they believe it's true.

Correct. This is obvious across a variety of religions.

They don't die because they believe it's false.

This is also probably true. The people from Sept 11 probably thought the teachings of Islam to be true.

The apostles, who witnessed Jesus death

Pardon? They did?

and ressurection

No evidence of this. Anonymous stories written ages afterwards make that claim, that's all.

died because they knew it was truth and not a lie.

Mind reading.

I,am not talking about everyone who dies for a belief. Muslim terrorists die for their belief and kill,for it to. That doesn't make their belief true anymore than those who,believed in Him Jones.

Ditto for Christian martyrs.

I am talking about people dying for a hoax that they willingly participated in. The apostles preached the death and ressurrection as truth. It was with true or a hoax. They would not die willingly for a hoax.

And Joseph Smith's cronies went to their death with him, because they earnestly believed his testimony. Does this mean we should accept Angel Moroni, gold pates, planets for the dead and the magic of undergarments??

 

[SteveB28]

And yet what the gospels say about Jesus are reaffirmed by the apostles. Not one thing taught by the apostles counters any thing contained in the gospels.
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Everyone was keeping to the script? How surprising........

 

[SteveB28]

You've been falling for the ungodly scholars again haven't you?

You do realise that the vast majority of scholars are your fellow Christians?

You know the ones who are trying really hard to disprove Gods word.

Why would a Christian be trying to do that??

As you point out it's an estimate. But even that means nothing. It doesn't at mean John didn't or couldn't have written the gospel. Earliest historians affirmed the belief that the disciple wrote it. And since he was an eye witness it remains reliable and affirms the other gospels along with the other writings by the apostles. Many of the modern scholars have an obvious agenda to discredit the bible. And because of your refusal to believe in Jesus you happily buy what they are selling.

You need to do some serious research.

Not that it will make much difference, I fear.......

 

[TLK Valentine]

That is grad school material trying to figure that out. They also have a software program for the computer that they are able to use.

And what did the grad school students determine?

 

[joshua 1 9]

And what did the grad school students determine?

They have worked on that for years, generation after generation.
They pretty much come to the same conclusion as what they find using the computer software.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/06/29/algorithm-answers-who-wrote-bible.html

 

[TLK Valentine]

If it was good enough for the King James writers to put those names there, it's good enough for me.

Most of us hold a higher standard.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They have worked on that for years, generation after generation.
They pretty much come to the same conclusion as what they find using the computer software.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/06/29/algorithm-answers-who-wrote-bible.html

Interestingly enough, the conclusion isn't "Moses."

 

[joshua 1 9]

You do realise that the vast majority of scholars are your fellow Christians?

There are revisionists that belong to a false, harlot, apostate church. We are told to let the tares grow with the wheat and then the angels will sort them out at the end of the era. Least the wheat be uprooted with the tares.

24 Jesus presented another parable to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared.… Matthew 13

 

[joshua 1 9]

Most of us hold a higher standard.

Just what are you high on?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Everyone was keeping to the script? How surprising........

Consider the fact that the Bible is comprised of 66 Books written over a period of about 1,500 years by over 40 authors from all walks of life, with different kinds of personalities, and in all sorts of situations. The Bible was written in three languages on three continents, and covers hundreds of controversial subjects. Yet, the Bible fits together into one cohesive story with an appropriate beginning, a logical ending, a central character, and a consistent theme.

Now show me two skeptic or scoffers that agree on anything, esp over time.
"Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for,
it will be done for them by my Father in heaven." Matthew 18:19

 

[TLK Valentine]

Just what are you high on?

Something better than King James worship.... truth, of course.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Interestingly enough, the conclusion isn't "Moses."

Moses is a part of the equation. He stood on the shoulders of giants also. Abraham had a covenant with God. Adam had a covenant with God but he did not keep his part of the covenant and he was thrown out of Eden.

 

[bhsmte]

Moses is a part of the equation. He stood on the shoulders of giants also. Abraham had a covenant with God. Adam had a covenant with God but he did not keep his part of the covenant and he was thrown out of Eden.

Opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Most of us hold a higher standard.

Thus an avatar of a mouse that is smoking a cigarette?

 

[bhsmte]

Thus an avatar of a mouse that is smoking a cigarette?

And that means what AV?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Consider the fact that the Bible is comprised of 66 Books written over a period of about 1,500 years by over 40 authors from all walks of life, with different kinds of personalities, and in all sorts of situations. The Bible was written in three languages on three continents, and covers hundreds of controversial subjects. Yet, the Bible fits together into one cohesive story with an appropriate beginning, a logical ending, a central character, and a consistent theme.

having been compiled centuries after the fact by one man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Bibles_of_Constantine

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thus an avatar of a mouse that is smoking a cigarette?

Thank you, AV -- If you had anything to offer besides cheap personal jibes disguised as abortive attempts at humor, this would've been about the place I would've expected you to use them.

Your failure to do so confirms everything a lot of people have thought about you.