Love and Self control

[Byfaithalone1]

Rom 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. KJV

Rom 5:1
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: KJV

Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:KJV

Rom 14:23
for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. KJV

For:
Rom 10:17
faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. KJV

Joe

In my mind, "faith" is a part of "belonging."

In my mind, "doing" relates to concepts such as "law."

BFA

 

[Avonia]

I submit that our beauty flows less from being and more from belonging.

Sounds like something I would write.

I love my children in spite of many things they do and because of whose they are.

Perhaps we are describing different attributes of the same elephant.

BFA

In my mind, "faith" is a part of "belonging."

In my mind, "doing" relates to concepts such as "law."

BFA

I don't necessarily connect "doing" with the law - so I'm using the word more generally. As in "all acting."

I love your introduction of "belonging."

 

[AzA]

And yet the distinction between being and belonging breaks down because the ultimate argument is that you cease to be if you don't belong. You go to hell. Or hell consumes you. Or God withdraws from you, or you withdraw from God -- however they're describing it these days. Then poof, that's it for you.

It's certainly nice to talk about being and feeling a part -- belonging -- as if it were disconnected from being. But there's no way to dissociate them without forgetting that we only exist at all because we are connected. We're not self-existant or self-sustaining.

 

[Avonia]

And yet the distinction between being and belonging breaks down because the ultimate argument is that you cease to be if you don't belong.

Well said, AzA.

Merriam Webster has the first definition of "belong" as "to be suitable, appropriate." Like belonging to the remnant church. If you beat out almost everyone in the race, you belong. Interesting, since in "belonging" you are then separate from almost everyone else. The "1 in 20."

The third definition is "to be an attribute, part, adjunct, or function of." As all creation flowed from Source, there's nothing you can do to un-belong.

As you said, if you have being you have belonging.

 

[freeindeed2]

Sorry about the cheap shot, that was kind of harsh...

Yeah...

We all have sinned, this is true. But we do have moments in our lives that are pleasing to God.

The only way our lives are pleasing to God is when have been washed in the blood of Christ and we have faith in him for salvation.

We can do what is right in God's eyes but it's not a means to eternal life.

Only by the Holy Spirit living in us producing HIS fruit and HIS good works. It is ALL HIS power, not our own, from start to finish, the Author and Finisher of our faith. Fallen humanity doesn't 'do what is right.' We never have and won't until the corruptible puts on the incorruptible on the day when Christ comes to make all things right. This is why we can ONLY be saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, plus nothing. It is NOT of ourselves. It is a GIFT from God. We can't add ANYTHING to HIS gift.

Ezekiel 33-18-19 "When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die because of it. "But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is lawful and right, he shall live because of it.

We don't have any righteousness. Christ IS our righteousness. Believe in HIM.

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

Yeah...


The only way our lives are pleasing to God is when have been washed in the blood of Christ and we have faith in him for salvation.


Only by the Holy Spirit living in us producing HIS fruit and HIS good works. It is ALL HIS power, not our own, from start to finish, the Author and Finisher of our faith. Fallen humanity doesn't 'do what is right.' We never have and won't until the corruptible puts on the incorruptible on the day when Christ comes to make all things right. This is why we can ONLY be saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, plus nothing. It is NOT of ourselves. It is a GIFT from God. We can't add ANYTHING to HIS gift.


We don't have any righteousness. Christ IS our righteousness. Believe in HIM.

In Christ alone...

We do have a righteousness act of our own the difference is that God does not accept our righteousness. For example, two people serving in a soup kitchen, both doing the same exact thing but only one is acceptable to God.

 

[freeindeed2]

We do have a righteousness act of our own the difference is that God does not accept our righteousness. For example, two people serving in a soup kitchen, both doing the same exact thing but only one is acceptable to God.

I have no righteousness except that Christ is my righteousness. Claiming to have your own righteousness is called self-righteousness.

Two people serving in a soup kitchen, both doing the same exact thing. Both are lost unless Christ is their righteousness.

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

I have no righteousness except that Christ is my righteousness. Claiming to have your own righteousness is called self-righteousness.

Two people serving in a soup kitchen, both doing the same exact thing. Both are lost unless Christ is their righteousness.

In Christ alone...

We're both saying the same thing but we just can't say it without understanding the other verses such as,

Luke 1:6 Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

If we don't explain these verses people get confused when they read the Bible for themselves.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

And yet the distinction between being and belonging breaks down because the ultimate argument is that you cease to be if you don't belong.

This would be true if we were forced to limit ourselves to one versus the other. I don't view this as an "either/or." Rather, I view it this way:

I submit that our beauty flows less from being and more from belonging.
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You go to hell. Or hell consumes you. Or God withdraws from you, or you withdraw from God -- however they're describing it these days. Then poof, that's it for you. It's certainly nice to talk about being and feeling a part -- belonging -- as if it were disconnected from being. But there's no way to dissociate them without forgetting that we only exist at all because we are connected. We're not self-existant or self-sustaining.

Yes, we exist because God allows us to exist.

No, we are not self-existant or self-sustaining. In fact, my belief in a literal flood--though it differs from your belief--demonstrates my ability to accept that man is not self-existant or self-sustaining.

The God who has the ability to bring something into existence also has the ability to bring existence to an end. We may debate whether or not God uses that ability, but such a debate does not minimize the reality that God has such an ability.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

As you said, if you have being you have belonging.

If this were true, then every human would belong to his/her natural parent. A casual look at the faces around us will demonstrate that this may be true in some cases, but is not true in all. Certain adopted children never meet their birth parents. Certain fathers never have a relationship of "belonging" with their children. Certain children are permanently estranged from their parents. Being does not always lead to belonging.

I suspect that remnant theology is a poor substitute for true belonging.

BFA

 

[freeindeed2]

We're both saying the same thing but we just can't say it without understanding the other verses such as,

Luke 1:6 Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

If we don't explain these verses people get confused when they read the Bible for themselves.

You won't address the whole passages of scripture I've posted. And I have NO problem with the verses you've plucked from all over the place and strung together to make the Bible say what it does not, but ONLY when they are used in the context they were written.

We are NOT saying the same thing.

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

You won't address the whole passages of scripture I've posted. And I have NO problem with the verses you've plucked from all over the place and strung together to make the Bible say what it does not, but ONLY when they are used in the context they were written.

We are NOT saying the same thing.

In Christ alone...

I guess it's time for us to move on...have a blessed day.

 

[freeindeed2]

I guess it's time for us to move on...have a blessed day.

Does that mean you refuse to address the passages of scriptures that have been presented?

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

Does that mean you refuse to address the passages of scriptures that have been presented?

In Christ alone...

One of Satan's ploys is to say what you just said when you know I addressed them, you just didn't like what you heard. So we will have to part ways here...have a blessed day.

 

[Kira Light]

Awe you can't leave right after playing the Satan card!

 

[freeindeed2]

One of Satan's ploys is to say what you just said when you know I addressed them, you just didn't like what you heard. So we will have to part ways here...have a blessed day.

No sir. You did not address the passages. And even the letters that bring death speak against 'bearing false witness.'

And the Satan comment is your second cheap shot in two days.

In CHRIST alone...

 

[k4c]

And you don't think your comment was a cheap shots?

 

[StormyOne]

usually when the Satan card is played meaningful dialog has ceased... unfortunately when in the course of a discussion it is felt that there is only one right answer and any other answer is wrong, there will be problems...

 

[VictorC]

One of Satan's ploys is to say what you just said when you know I addressed them, you just didn't like what you heard.

This is a line you like to resort to often when another member of the forum has noted that you haven't responded in character to a post addressed to you. Invoking satan as your appeal loses its meaning when you're having trouble differentiating between God's Gospel of redemption and "another gospel" that is accursed, inspired from another source.

I'm having a good time on the sidelines, where I can watch the ping-pong tournament and enjoy my peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You're not returning the balls that FreeIndeed places on your side of the net, and so you're tossing balls from your pocket while claiming they're volleys from the same conversation.

They are not.
The vantage of the sideline offers a splendid view of what's going on.
And this manner of poor gamesmanship is common with you:

Repent and turn from promoting a godless system of false worship based on the commandments of men for God says your worship is worthless.

The mechanism of avoidance was how you abandoned another thread, and have never addressed my response asking you will you reject the Bible as Ellen testified she did for 50 years?

 

[freeindeed2]

And you don't think your comment was a cheap shots?

Please point out my 'comment that was a cheap shots (sic).' Thanks.

Or is this a distraction technique in order to avoid addressing the scriptures presented?

In CHRIST alone...