LDS/Mormonism

[Crispie]

Ill say this much, I dont accept the mormon teachings of God not creating matter in Genesis and us existing before conception as biblical.

 

[Lifesaver]

If one would only read the things (and what thing...!) that have been declared and proclaimed by the so-called Mormon "prophets" through the group's history, they'd never give conversion to it a second thought.

 

[skylark1]

what you're dealing with is multiple issues. there is no way God has parents. like i said good mormons become like God. see my above statements. as for being ready, that is for u to decide not anyone else. as for having a physical body- not true. and he dosen't live on another planet. more tomorrow.

I have had discussions with LDS who believe that God has parents. They made a point of stating that this is not official LDS doctrine, but that there is nothing in LDS doctrine that conflicts with the belief. The same thing was said about LDS believing that God the Father was once a man.

Do you really not believe that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones? If so, I think that you are the only LDS that I have ever heard of that believes this.

Why is this discussion in the non-Christian forum? I assume that the LDS posting in this thread consider themselves to be Christians.

 

[skylark1]

From the Doctrine and Covenants, which is considered LDS doctrine:

130:22
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

Why is this discussion in the non-Christian forum? I assume that the LDS posting in this thread consider themselves to be Christians.

i agree with that. i guess a certain someone didn't have it in them to put us in another christian thread. oh, well. what are u gonna do? strike? hohohohoho. as fo my belief that God and his Son not having flesh and blood, that is what i believe, but that doesn't make it right or wrong. there's only 1 way to find out. however, this may change.

 

[skylark1]

as fo my belief that God and his Son not having flesh and blood, that is what i believe, but that doesn't make it right or wrong. there's only 1 way to find out. however, this may change.

With a name like "Latter-Day Saint," it is very easy for someone to assume when you state what you believe, that you are saying what LDS doctrine is. When you stated "as for [as God the Father]having a physical body- not true" you did not state that this was your opinion, but implied that it was LDS doctrine.

What do you mean by "this might change?" Are you claiming that the LDS belief that God had a body of flesh and bones might change? If so, why?

 

[Crispie]

I can tell you one thing, when we go to heaven(the second heaven, on earth) we wont have bodys like the ones we have now. Basically Immortal Invincibal bodys.

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

what i mean, skylark, is that i might change my mind. dont make a mountain out of a mole hill. and i've made it a habit (albeit, a bad one) to be ,shall we say, "mysterious" like that. plus when i type, i have a very poor ability of organizing my thoughts.

and, crispie, i'll agree with that.

 

[skylark1]

what i mean, skylark, is that i might change my mind. dont make a mountain out of a mole hill. and i've made it a habit (albeit, a bad one) to be ,shall we say, "mysterious" like that. plus when i type, i have a very poor ability of organizing my thoughts.

and, crispie, i'll agree with that.

Hi "Latter-Day Saint,"

I do not believe that I have made a mountain out a mole hill. When you post under a name like "Latter-Day Saint," and then claim that it is false that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, and don't state that this is merely your opinion, it is deceptive. I had no way of knowing if you meant that LDS doctrine might change or your beliefs might change.

 

[disciple00]

''As far as polytheism is concerned, I have only one God. .................I am a monotheist. I personally have only one God.

you see army is twisting words here, he's not saying that the mormon Church beleives that more than one God exists, but as many will say ''only one God with which we have to do.''

We believe in eternal progression.

Not grace.

You will say that Christ never taught these things. You will say they were made up by Joseph Smith. Maybe Christ was trying to teach people the simple things. Can you imagine Christ trying to teach every principle of the plan of salvation in (according to most scholars) 3 years. He was having a hard enough time getting people to be civil and compassionate. Think about what region of the world this was. They have never had prosperity.

you see mormons will say that they believe that God is all powerful, yet they don't think Jesus really did all that great a work, i mean like army said ''He was having a hard enough time getting people to be civil and compassionate.'' now tell me, jesus, who had (and still has) power over all flesh, would he really have trouble with teaching anything to people made of flesh? could it possibly be that God has the world just as he wants it, i mean didn't jesus OVER COME THE WORLD?

You will say that Christ never taught these things

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this brings me to another point, mormons teach many many things that jesus nor any apostle or prophet in the bible taught, this proves to be a big problem.

The bottom line is that members are admonished to be Christ-like. Our beliefs on God/Gods is far deeper than "If I am a good boy I can be a God."

you see, they are not monotheists, ask a mormon is there only one God, hos can thay have a believe about Gods or a councel of Gods if they are monotheists?

Before the earth was created what was God doing? Did he never have any other worlds before this one? Are we the only beings that were created by God? Where did God come from? I don't claim to have all the answers nor do I care for them now. It makes no difference to me in the here and now.

man when i tell someone what i believe, i tell them whati believe, i don't bother to say i believe in one God only and then hint at others.... are you getting the hints at polytheism?

Christ said there was one God.

this is true.

I agree with this.

he says he agrees but listen to what he says next

There are no other Gods that I am concerned with.

is he implying that there are other Gods that he's not concerned with?

The depth of this concept is hard to understand.

you see it is hard to understand how one calling himself christian can believe that there is more than one God when jesus said there is only one.

But then maybe God was trying to get them to put aside their riches and come unto him. Maybe he was dealing with idol worshiping. Some people would rather spend time watching their television than learn the teachings of Christ.

you see now he's suggesting that God lied to them to get them to believe in him (you know people often put into God traits that they themselves have)

Christ laid the foundation for his church and suffer and die for the sins of the world.

jesus said he finished the work God gave him to do

His church was ruined by apostacy.

Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church

He brought it back to the earth through a living prophet and is bringing the fullness of his gospel to light.

if you believe what jesus said you can't believe in what army just said

I am not the antichrist.

how many times did what he says deny the teaching and words of jesus? doesn't the anti christ deny the father and the son?

I am a man who believes that God has a greater purpose for his children than to send them to earth to sin and then bring them to heaven to be as little children.

well, he can claim he believes anything he wants to, but many of his beliefs are very different to those taught in the Bible.

ok to answer you question as to why mormon aren't Christians, is perhaps the wrong end to start on it, God knows his sheep, and they all know him, and come when he calls.

i am a former mormon and what made me leave the church was the very large contradiction between what lds churches teach the people, and what is taught in the Bible. just look at what he said, if you know Gods word well, you'll see that the deception of lds doctrine is subtle, but it is definately there, they will say they believe we are saved by grace, yet they say you need to earn the grace (Grace means unmerited favor) anyhow i hope i have helped to answer you question.

also please remember that those who aren't christians are emenies of God, and thus enemies of Christians, however like jesus said and did, ''love thy enemy'' so, love the mormons, pray for them, cause only God can save them, just like anybody else.

disciple00

 

[happyinhisgrace]

what you're dealing with is multiple issues. there is no way God has parents. like i said good mormons become like God. see my above statements. as for being ready, that is for u to decide not anyone else. as for having a physical body- not true. and he dosen't live on another planet. more tomorrow.

When did the Mormon church stop teachings that God has parents just like we do. I was lds for many many years and I was always taught, during that time, in the lds church that "Heavenly Father" has parents just like humans do. In fact, it was taught a great deal in Seminary.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

If one would only read the things (and what thing...!) that have been declared and proclaimed by the so-called Mormon "prophets" through the group's history, they'd never give conversion to it a second thought.

I agree but the problem is that it have become very fashionable these days for lds to claim that the words of their "dead" prophets are not doctrine and that those leaders were only "speaking personal opinion". Ah, the changing world of Mormonism!

 

[feo]

Can you imagine Christ trying to teach every principle of the plan of salvation in (according to most scholars) 3 years. He was having a hard enough time getting people to be civil and compassionate. Think about what region of the world this was. They have never had prosperity.

1- Do not MOCK my savior like that. He was having a DIFFICULT time? He explained everything with such ease, the words flowed from Christ like water. Christ did not have a hard time- it was the people who had a difficult time.

2- Do not MOCK Christ with your association with properity and worldly wealth. He is above that. I despise the fact that the mormon church uses the two hand in hand. ugh

Sorry you hate my religion so much. I guess I can only hope that hate doesn't keep you from growing closer to Christ. No, I'm sure in your eyes Christ would condone hate against those hellish mormons. Good luck with all that. If you don't believe in Christ, good luck with that too.

try this on for size: if a person goes around bashing other christian churches, are they christian themselves? the answer is No.

Cry me a river.
If there was any "bashing", why dont you quote what was offensive to you; instead of just complaining? Whats ironic... is you guys say these things, but a little research into your church history will reveal the HATEFUL, PRIDEFUL, and CHRISTIAN-BASHING you seem to know so well: spouted out by your mormon church's founders.

By your definition, they are not Christian. And yes, I agree

GOD BLESS (yeah, same God...Big G and all.)

No, my God is available through Jesus Christ alone. More specifically my God IS Jesus Christ. A little reading into the NT will show that. The mormon god is not Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ himself was not a mormon. We should follow his example.

Why are you worried about contradictions when THE BIBLE contradicts itself numerous times within it's texts. Hell, the gospels don't even agree with each other on many events.

Different perspectives are not contradictions. When religions were a dime a dozen, Christianity held fast- always growing

Im not going to read a book of another religion when I can spend that time reading the Holy Bible.

Whats the harm? I find different "religious" books very fascinating. I've checked out the vedas, quaran, and the 3 mormon "bibles"... just because you read them, does not mean you have to give up the Holy Bible

Being gay and Being Christian is in the most basic sense an Oxymoron

it would seem to me that the phrase "gay christian" is an oxymoron. besides, if it's wrong, then it'll be on his head. if there's nothing wrong with it, so be it. being gay and a christian just doesn't seem right to me.

Whats the difference between a homosexuals temptation, and your temptation with lust? Absolutly nothing.

Someone who struggles with homosexuality can be Christian, just as much as I can struggle with lustful thoughts.

Perhaps you should restate your question, and ask how a "sinful Christian" is an oxymoron. Otherwise hush; as I'm about to take offense to your stance on the subject.

 

[fatboys]

When did the Mormon church stop teachings that God has parents just like we do. I was lds for many many years and I was always taught, during that time, in the lds church that "Heavenly Father" has parents just like humans do. In fact, it was taught a great deal in Seminary.

FB: Pehaps you were taught this. But it was not taught from the pulpit, nor was it taught in Sunday School class nor Priesthood meeting. I have been a member for many years, and never have I heard anything about it except from those who speculate. If you were taught in Seminary, the teacher was had no right to even suggest it.

 

[Swart]

FB: Pehaps you were taught this. But it was not taught from the pulpit, nor was it taught in Sunday School class nor Priesthood meeting. I have been a member for many years, and never have I heard anything about it except from those who speculate. If you were taught in Seminary, the teacher was had no right to even suggest it.

Ah yes! The seminary teacher!

- Lots of good
- Heaps of personal experiences
- Plenty of personal opinion
- Little bit of false doctrine for good measure

I spend a reasonable amount of my youth Sunday School class deconstructing seminary lessons:

"Yes. The wine Jesus drank WAS alcoholic."
"No. Coke is NOT against the WoW."

 

[happyinhisgrace]

FB: Pehaps you were taught this. But it was not taught from the pulpit, nor was it taught in Sunday School class nor Priesthood meeting. I have been a member for many years, and never have I heard anything about it except from those who speculate. If you were taught in Seminary, the teacher was had no right to even suggest it.

Of course it was taught from the "pulpit" in sacrement meetings and it was taught to me in Sunday school. I find it funny that you claim it was never taught in these places when I know for a FACT that it was.

 

[Wrigley]

Of course it was taught from the "pulpit" in sacrement meetings and it was taught to me in Sunday school. I find it funny that you claim it was never taught in these places when I know for a FACT that it was.

Maybe fatboys is omnipresent?

 

[GOD'S ARMY]

Of course it was taught from the "pulpit" in sacrement meetings and it was taught to me in Sunday school. I find it funny that you claim it was never taught in these places when I know for a FACT that it was.

I was never taught that, but then I was born duing Spencer W. Kimble's service as Prophet.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

I was never taught that, but then I was born duing Spencer W. Kimble's service as Prophet.

Well, you can't be much older or younger than me then. I am only 31.

 

[fatboys]

Of course it was taught from the "pulpit" in sacrement meetings and it was taught to me in Sunday school. I find it funny that you claim it was never taught in these places when I know for a FACT that it was.

FB: Happy, I don't know where you lived or was raised. I do know that if this teaching was given at the pulpit, the bishop would have gotten up and corrected the speaker. I know this happens because I remember one of the few times I ever went to church in my youth, that a person from another ward was giving a talk and not paying attention, I have no idea as to what he was talking about. But the bishop stopped the person and corrected him. From what I understand this went all the way up to the stake president, and the bishop had every right to do what he did. What you are saying is not correct in what we have ever taught or believed.

By the way I was just about through with college when you were born.