LDS/Mormonism

[tkster]

Yeah, I am a Neo-Mormon, but I've noticed how hostile many Christians are to us

take care,
tk (http://www.skeptictimes.com/)

 

[starfruit06]

As a Christian, I have a few questions to ask a Mormon who is strong and knowledgeable in their faith.

-Are there denominations of Mormonism that differ significantly?
-What is the significance of wearing two sets of undergarments?
-Do you believe that John 3:16 is true?
"For God so loved the world, that he gave His one and only Son, and that whoever believes in his shall not perish, but have eternal life."
-As a morman, do you believe that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ?

 

[Mi Zai]

look, the origins of Mormonism CONTRADICT what the bible says about additions to the bible and new books/letters, and other new teachings of God.

Why are you worried about contradictions when THE BIBLE contradicts itself numerous times within it's texts. Hell, the gospels don't even agree with each other on many events.

IMO, the bible should not be noted as a history book, because it is very faulty in that department. It is a wonderful book, however, for teaching many beautiful life lessons through parables and promoting general compassion between all human beings. It is a book of life, not fact.

 

[starfruit06]

I have a quick suggestion- I can see that we are not getting very far in our "debate" about Mormonism and Christianity. Let's work on saying things that we can back up, using physical (not emotional) proof that our statement is true.

As a Christian, I look at the Mormon religion as false. But I also realize that Mormons see the Christian faith as false. I have grown up in a Christian family, and the thought of joining another religion hasn't really crossed my mind. Yet, I can see that if I grew up as a Mormon, it would be the same way: Why convert to Christianity? I think that in order to get our viewpoints down we need to state the facts and be able to back it up.

Mi Zai, would you mind starting? Can you back up your statement that the Bible contradicts itself? Give us a few verses, and we'll start from there.

 

[God_of_Mercy]

Why are you worried about contradictions when THE BIBLE contradicts itself numerous times within it's texts. Hell, the gospels don't even agree with each other on many events.

IMO, the bible should not be noted as a history book, because it is very faulty in that department. It is a wonderful book, however, for teaching many beautiful life lessons through parables and promoting general compassion between all human beings. It is a book of life, not fact.

First of all the origins of Mormonism contradict what the bible says about additions to Christianity/Holy Scripture. Also Mormonism is an addition to Christianity, so that is why they contradict. Also the bible never contradict, and when the gospels "dont" agree with eachother? Each is made on a personal account, from different people, thus they will write down their own expierence of the event. For them all to be exact would be pretty obvious that a bunch of people got together and wrote them all together, instead of each beinga personal account. This actually adds credibility to the gospels, and if you see there is truely no contradictions in the bible or gospels. The core of the four Gospels present the same message of Jesus Christ.

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

little word of advice- never assume anything about the Mormon church; or any other church for that fact. Even then how can you assume something about a religious sect you don't know personally? u can't. try this on for size: if a person goes around bashing other christian churches, are they christian themselves? the answer is No.

for the record we are called "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints."

if anyone has a problem with this, i don't really care.

 

[Crispie]

Any mormans ever heard of the second and final covenant...? There is no 3rd covenant, and if you can give me some prophecy from the bible stating a 3rd covenant just like the Old Testament spoke of a second covenant, then please do give them.



Especially when the second covenant is perfect, (that is why there was a need for the new covenant)


Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(Whole Chapter: Hebrews 8 In context: Hebrews 8:6-8)

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

"'Beloved, love one another, for love is God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knoes God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward you, that God has sent his only begotten son into the world, that you might live through Him. In this is love, not that you loved God, but that He loved you and sent Me to be the propitiation for your sins.'"

 

[Crispie]

latter day saint arent you going to answer me?

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

i'm sorry. i really can't. im not that smart yet. however, i will find you an answer if u want me 2.

 

[Crispie]

Thank you for informing me of that, hopefully another Mormon will be able to respond.

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

i wish u good luck in finding your answer.

 

[Crispie]

Thank you

 

[JBucky]

Any mormans ever heard of the second and final covenant...? There is no 3rd covenant, and if you can give me some prophecy from the bible stating a 3rd covenant just like the Old Testament spoke of a second covenant, then please do give them.



Especially when the second covenant is perfect, (that is why there was a need for the new covenant)


Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(Whole Chapter: Hebrews 8 In context: Hebrews 8:6-8)

OK, here goes. Before I start to answer your question regarding the neccessity of a 3rd covenant, I'll have to ask you to define the second covenant.

I'll be hovering for a while to give you time to answer.

 

[Crispie]

Ill give all the scripture I can come up with about the Second Covenant.

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The Second or New Covenant - Heb. 9:1

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It consists of "better promises" - Heb. 8:6

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It brings a "better hope" - Heb. 7:19

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Offers "endless life" - Heb. 13:20

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Is strong, reaching within the veil - Heb. 6:19

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Makes all things perfect - Heb. 10:14

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Sealed with the blood of God's Son - Heb. 9:11-15

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Sins remembered no more forever - Heb. 8:12

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Way to eternal life fully revealed - Heb. 6:18

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Law and Priesthood unchangeable - Heb. 7:24

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Heavenly Priest, Divine Sacrifice - Heb. 8:4; 9:24

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Priest appointed by the oath of God - Heb. 7:28

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Its High priest ever liveth to intercede - Heb. 7:25

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A Heavenly, Lord-pitched tabernacle - Heb. 8:2

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Given to last till end of time - Heb. 13:20

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Thoroughly purges the conscience - Heb. 9:14

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It is the substance, the real - Heb. 10:1

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Its ordinances are spiritual - 1 Pet. 2:5; Rom. 8:2

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It is the new and extends to eternity - Heb. 9:15

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Dedicated with Christ's blood - Heb. 10:19, 20

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The heavenly things themselves - Heb. 9:23

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Makes men absolutely perfect - Heb. 9:11

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Takes away all sin - Heb. 10:17; 1 John 1:7

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Redeems men from the curse - Gal. 3:13

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It can justify all men - Gal. 3:24

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It is a law of faith - Rom. 3:27

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Ordained by the Son (Christ) - Heb. 2:1-4

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The "Law of the Spirit of Life" - Rom. 8:2

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Is to continue everlastingly - Rev. 14:6

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No longer under the schoolmaster - Gal. 3:25


The allegorical covenant "Sarah" - Gal. 4:23


Bears sons of liberty - freedmen - Gal. 5:1


Bears spiritual children only - Gal. 4:4-7


The Free Woman, the legal Wife - Gal. 4:31


It creates joint-heirs with Christ - Rom. 8:17


It is "the Spirit, which giveth life" - 2 Cor. 3:6


It is "the ministration of the Spirit" - 2 Cor. 3:8


Written in hearts of flesh (men) - 2 Cor. 3:3


Its glory remains forever - 2 Cor. 3:11


It is a "ministration of righteousness" - 2 Cor. 3:9


It is in glory - 2 Cor. 3:11


Was created new in Christ - Eph. 2:14-19


Brought to light in His resurrection - Rom. 1:4


From the cross universally promulgated - Acts 2:36


An eternal covenant - Heb. 13:20



These should be sufficient on anything you need to know about the second Covenant.

 

[jesuswalks]

There was a gay mormon at infidelguy.com just last week. It was an interesting interview and it is still in the show archives.

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

it would seem to me that the phrase "gay christian" is an oxymoron. besides, if it's wrong, then it'll be on his head. if there's nothing wrong with it, so be it. being gay and a christian just doesn't seem right to me. then again, maybe it's me. just dont hassle me about it.

 

[Crispie]

Being gay and Being Christian is in the most basic sense an Oxymoron, but im still interested in this 3rd covenant explanation.

 

[Crispie]

Bump, I really want a response lol

 

[Latter-Day Saint]

tell u what i'm gonna do, crispie. i'll ask my friend about and see what he says, then i'll get back 2 u. ok?