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Zeddicus

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I said:
what does the bible say about asking for signs? Hmmm.....
How about 1 Peter 3:15- But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

Its all a matter of faith. I can ANTI even the Bible so lets not do that.
According to the above verse, you are supposed to have an answer for the reason you have faith to give to any man that asks...and just to let you know...the word answer in this case is Apologia and the word for reason is Logos.

Apologia:
  1. verbal defence, speech in defence
  2. a reasoned statement or argument
Logos:
  1. of speech
  2. a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
  3. what someone has said
    1. a word
    2. the sayings of God
    3. decree, mandate or order
    4. of the moral precepts given by God
    5. Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
    6. what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
  4. discourse
    1. the act of speaking, speech
    2. the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking
    3. a kind or style of speaking
    4. a continuous speaking discourse - instruction
  5. doctrine, teaching
  6. anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative
  7. matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law
  8. the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed

  1. its use as respect to the MIND alone
  2. reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating
  3. account, i.e. regard, consideration
  4. account, i.e. reckoning, score
  5. account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment
  6. relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation
    1. reason would
  7. reason, cause, ground
I believe the Bible is the Word of God as well as the Book of Mormon. I just as that you read the Book of Mormon first before you attemp to destroy our belief. God Bless.
Started on it..on Alma at the moment....but I have had enough discussions with Mormons to have a healthy dose on knowledge about Mormon doctrine.
 
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In response to the Apostacy:


Unless you are Catholic you must believe there at some point was some sort of apostacy. Protestants apostacized from catholicism. That is to say, If the Church of Christ isn't the oldest Christian religion(catholics) there must have been an apostacy. Do you belive the Catholics are the true Church of Christ? Christ set up his church in a certain way. He was paving a way for his followers. What do you think happened when the Apostles died and the structure broke down? Slowly the doctrines were changed or distorted. The crusades happened and there were many who died in the name of Christianity. You don't think there was an apostacy in that?

Bottom line: If you don't believe that Christ's church has a definite structure, then I can't proove anything to you. I'm not here to convince you, I am here to explain my beliefs.
 
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GOD'S ARMY said:
Bottom line: If you don't believe that Christ's church has a definite structure, then I can't proove anything to you.
I do believe there is to be a structure of sorts, but the structure includes all those who hold true to a belief that there is only One God composed of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (period that is all there is), Jesus is the son of God (not in the way the Mormonism proports though), and the doctrine of salvation by by grace through the substitutional sacrifice of Jesus.

I'm not here to convince you, I am here to explain my beliefs.
:)

Good, I am not here to convince you only explain my stance, as well. If my words strike a cord somewhere, that is the work of the Holy Ghost and I will leave that to Him..;)
 
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GOD'S ARMY said:
That is to say, If the Church of Christ isn't the oldest Christian religion(catholics) there must have been an apostacy. Do you belive the Catholics are the true Church of Christ?
I believe they do ;)
Christ set up his church in a certain way. He was paving a way for his followers. What do you think happened when the Apostles died and the structure broke down?
The structure didn't break down. Research apostolic succession much?
Slowly the doctrines were changed or distorted. The crusades happened and there were many who died in the name of Christianity. You don't think there was an apostacy in that?
The doctrines weren't changed or modified in Orthodox Christianity. Care to stop by The Ancient Way board here at CF? They'll tell ya all about it. Eastern Christians didn't do the Crusades either, not like that was an official Christian thing anyway.
-Catherine
 
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GOD'S ARMY said:
Unless you are Catholic you must believe there at some point was some sort of apostacy.
And, if such is the case, one must believe Jesus lied, becaused He said the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church.

The crusades happened and there were many who died in the name of Christianity. You don't think there was an apostacy in that?
If I'm to believe the defensive war of the crusades invalidate the Catholic Church as being the true Church of Christ, then what can be said about the mountain Meadow's massacre?
 
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Wow. I'm sensing a lot of anger and there's a strong spirit of contention here. If we're going to discuss differences of opinion let us do it in the spirit of Christ, even He who died for our sins.
Anger and hatred goes nowhere but further the work of Lucifer, the great Satan. Let us all be agreed that we are not going to convince each other that our theologies are false. I believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints IS the true church of Christ. I believe the gospel is the same taught by Christ. The church organization is the same as that organized by Christ and it is He who leads our church. If not we shall surely be damned for all who speak and work in the name of Christ shall be judged the more for those words and actions. When I was baptized I swore a covenant to take upon myself the countenance of Christ and that all I do and say shall herein be in the name of Christ. I tell you there is plenty since that day I have had to repent for but I tell you I type this message to you and I know I am an Elder in the Lord's church. I feel the Holy Spirit as he confirms the truth of this work to me. I tell you my testimony in the truth of this cannot be swayed. Jesus Christ is my savior. He is the Son of the Father and he sits on the glorified throne on the right hand of our Heavenly Father. I believe I am a child of my Spiritual parents (yes, we have a Heavenly Mother). Furthermore I will leave you with the Articles of Faith given by Joseph Smith (the first of our modern prophets) when asked what we believed:
1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe all mankind will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentence; third Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10. We believe that the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed to receive its paradisiacal glory.
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul--we believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

I judge not your beliefs for it is not in my authority to judge but I have been ordained and given charge to teach (D&C 43:15-22) and I do that with what knowledge I have gained to this point.
 
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Few (ok.. more than a few) questions for the LDS if I may:

How many changes have been made to the book of mormon since it was first published?

Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

Was Jesus created?

Was God created?

Are mormon women destined to be eternally pregnant forever populating thier own planets?

Can a human become a god?

In the revolt of Satan, what became of those that sided with Satan?

What became of those that were neutral?

How was Mary impregnated?

Was Jesus ever married?

If so, Who were his wives?

Did he have children?

If so, were any of his children of historical import?

Is drinking alcohol a sin?

How did Joseph Smith decypher the plates?

Describe the different marriages please? Sealed?

Are all men sons of God? All women Daughters?
 
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Hope you are ready to read a lot cause these answers are better than any I could give.



How many changes have been made to the book of mormon since it was first published?




http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/changes.htm

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_changes.shtml


Are Jesus and Satan brothers?




http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/lucifer.htm
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Relationships.shtml#brothers


http://www.fairlds.org/apol/brochures/LuciferJesus.pdf


Was Jesus created?




http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Relationships.shtml#elder

Was God created?




http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1982.htm/ensign%20february%201982.htm/i%20have%20a%20question.htm?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Relationships.shtml#man


Are mormon women destined to be eternally pregnant forever populating thier own planets?




The creation of spiritual children is a progress that hasn't been revealed to mortal men such as I know it. Therefore I cannot give any "yes" or "no" answer honestly.



Can a human become a god?




http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/asGod.htm

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_Relationships.shtml#perfect


In the revolt of Satan, what became of those that sided with Satan?




http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/emmain.asp?number=149

http://www.mormonfortress.com/premort1.html


What became of those that were neutral?




GODS ARMY might be able to elaborate further on it but I cannot. I was told a theory by a fellow member but it wasn’t in church and was something this person was told which makes me wary to trust it. I’ve searched but cannot find any statements online by LDS members on this topic.


How was Mary impregnated?




As it says in Luke 1:35 The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Also in Jesus the Christ by Elder James E. Talmage it states:

“That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof; and the offspring from that association of supreme sanctity, was of right to be called the ‘Son of the Highest.’”


Was Jesus ever married?




http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/jesus-married.htm


Did he have children?

See above

Is drinking alcohol a sin?




http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/emmain.asp?number=16


How did Joseph Smith decypher the plates?




http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/emmain.asp?number=41



Describe the different marriages please? Sealed?




http://www.fairlds.org/apol/brochures/EternalMarriage.pdf

http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1972.htm/ensign%20january%201972%20.htm/the%20lds%20concept%20of%20marriage.htm?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0



Essentially, instead of being married "till death do we part" wherin we are married and when we die we are separated, we believe that Families can be sealed or bonded with each other forever. Included with that is marriages or "spousal sealing" in which we are husband and wife "for time and all eternity".

Are all men sons of God? All women Daughters?




Yes we are all spiritual children of our Heavenly Parents. Men are sons, Women are daughters.





If you have more questions or wish to get an honest answer to your pressing questions visit www.fairlds.org or other pro-LDS sites rather than relying on anti-mormons sites for “truth”. Many of those sites are full of twisted truths into lies, historical inaccuracies, and scholarly fallacy all determined to deceive you into believing that not only are we crazy but need to be saved and perhaps even imprisoned. I’ve read plenty of that and I’ll admit when I was young in the church their arguments often swayed my faith. Upon looking at the church’s answers to those statements, again it becomes clear that they only with to deceive and not to bring anyone to the real truth.
 
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In the end of the paper, the writer instructs us to read the book of Mormon and, in order to verify whether we are right or wrong in a conclusion, pray to God.

My friend, we pray to God to guide us only into truth, and never into error. But using prayer as a means to verify if we are right or wrong is not only problematic, it is downright wrong. We'll be relying on feelings to discern truth from error.
But feelings are not good for such ends.

That must be why we have, in less than 200 years, more than 60 Mormon denominations (all claiming to be the one).
 
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Very simply in Moroni 10:3-5 it states:

Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you by the power of the Holy Ghost.
And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

You said yourself that we go to the Lord God for truth and not for untruths. Therefore have faith in Christ. Read the book, then ask in the name of Christ if it is or is not true. If you pray with faith in Christ, a sincere heart, and real intent to know the truth then you will be answered for Christ will not proclaim something in your heart that is not truth.

If, as you say depending on a feeling as a determination of truth is not good...I ask you what convinced you the Lord is your savior? What told you that God exists? Was it not that same feeling that proclaimed in your heart that yes He is the savior and redeemer of mankind?

Finding answers to life through prayer is not only good, it's essential. Otherwise how will we know for ourselves the truth of the Bible? How shall we come to accept Christ as our savior?
 
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Too harsh of mocking the LSD church can only have the reverse effect. I never really knew too much about the Mormon church but have friends and relatives who are Mormon, but one day I came across a piece of literature which truly opened my eyes to the truth. I am not Mormon but have studied since this information came to me. You can check Mormon history and books and the Bible and unfortunately it is all too true. It's like a horror flick, a nightmarish twisted story, but it's reality. The implications leaning directly to Satan are eerily prophetic right from the mouth of Christ, who warned of false prophets. Please read for yourself and check the scriptures for we should always prove all things through the word of God. If another comes preaching another gospel, he is not of God. The information was titled MORMONISM, WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW by Ed Decker.

THE 17 ERRORS OF MORMONISM:

THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

1. The universe is governed by a head god and his council. "The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world...In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it" (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, PP. 348-49).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

1. If there is somebody else up there managing things, the all-knowing God who created all things in the heavens doesn't know about it. Isaiah 42:5 defines Him as "God the lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein." In Isaiah 45:12 that same God says, "I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

2. God has goddess wives. "This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in all plainness by the First Presidency of the Church" (Bruce R. McConkie, Apostle, Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

2. There is absolutely no mention of any wives of God. There will be no marrying in heaven (see Matthew 22:29, 30).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

3. God is limited by a physical body. "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (D&C, 130:22). "If God possesses a form, that form is of necessity of definite proportions, and therefore of limited extension and space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits" (James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, p.43).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

3. The one true God is infinite. Any other "god" is a false god (see 2 Chronicles 6:18; Psalm 139:4-8; Jeremiah 23:24).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

4. There are many gods: "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it...In all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (Joseph Smith, Founder and First Prophet, History of the Church, vol. 6,pp.308,474).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

4. There was, is, and always will be only one God (see Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6-8; 45:5,6,18-22; Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:39; James 2:19).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

5. Jesus and Satan are brothers. "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God--Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

5. The real Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He is God's son (John 1:1-14). Satan was a created angel--not a son of God (Isaiah 14:12). Jesus created all things, and in Him the fullness of God dwells! (see Colosians 1:15-20; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 1:1-13).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

6. Mary was not a virgin. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers...Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.547,742).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

6. Jesus was begotten by the Holy Ghost. Mary was indeed a virgin (see Matthew 1:19-23; Luke 1:35).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

7. Jesus was married. "Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed" (Orson Hyde, Apostle, Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.82).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

7. Jesus and His disciples were guests a Cana (John 2:2). Read John 2:1-12. This Mormon doctrine is generally not taught openly today. Marriage in a Mormon temple (called celestial marriage) is mandatory to progress to becoming a god in Mormonism. To fit the theology of Mormonism, the Mormon "Jesus" has to be married--or He would only be a ministering servant to those in Mormonism's heaven who have "celestial marriage."



"ATTAINING "GODHOOD"

THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

8. "God himself was one as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form...like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man...he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 305).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

8. God was never a man. He created man! God has been God from all eternity to all eternity (see Psalm 41:13; 90:2; 102:25-27; Romans 1:22,23).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

9. Man may become god. "Here then is eternal life...to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you...To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of God" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 306).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

9. The great lie of Satan from the beginning was that man may become a god (see Genesis 3:1-5; Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:1-10).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

10. Total perfection is demanded. "We also have to forsake the sin and never repeat it, not even in our minds...In order to remain forgiven, we must never commit the sin again" (Discussion F, Uniform System for Teaching Families, pp. 35-36).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

10. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God: (Romans 3:23); "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Romans 5:12); and Galatians 2:21: "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

11. The black race is a cursed people. "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness, he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the Gospel" (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 102). (Although it became expedient for the Mormon church to open the Priesthood to blacks in 1978, the alleged revelation did not change Mormon doctrine regarding the penalty of being black. This revelation also directly contradicted established Mormon doctrine.)

THE BIBLE TEACHES

11. The color of a person's skin has no merit with God: "For there is no respect of persons with God" (Romans 2:11); and "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but to have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, father" (Romans 8:15). That includes all of us here on earth--black, white, red, or yellow, king or slave. All of us are made in God's image.



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

12. The Bible is incomplete and has serious errors. "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors--many plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of which error and falsehood poured into the various churches. One of the great heresies of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the inspired teachings now extant among men" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82, 83).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

12. The Bible is God's Word; and the word of God will stand forever (see Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 1:25).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

13. Except for the LDS Church, all churches are false. "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; and those professors were all corrupt" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:19).

"This Church is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth: (D&C, 1:30). "There is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

13. The church is the spiritual body of Christian believers with Jesus at its head. That is the true church--not any specific organization (see Ephesians 1:22,23; 2:11-16; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 12:12; Matthew 16:18).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

14. Joseph Smith was a holy prophet. "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-09).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

14. No prophet of God ever made a statement like Joseph Smith's. King Nebuchadnezzar had similar pride to Joseph Smith's. He was driven out by God to live with the animals (see Daniel 4:28-33).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

15. Prophets are above Scripture. "The living Prophet is more vital to us than the Standard Works (Bible, BofM, etc.). The living Prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet (David, Moses, Isaiah, etc.). Those who would remove prophets from politics would take God out of government" (LDS prophet, President Ezra Taft Benson, address at Brigham Young University, Feb. 26, 1980).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

15. In these last days God speaks through His Son (Hebrews 1:1,2). The authority claimed by the Mormon Church is through an "Aaronic Priesthood," which cannot be valid since Jesus abolished it when He took its place (Hebrews 7:11-19; 8:6-13), and a "Melchizedek Priesthood," which never existed as any operative "priesthood." Jesus is our only High Priest in the likeness of Melchizedek--he alone holds this priesthood permanently (see Hebrews 7:15-28; 9:11-15).



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

16. Mormons are also saviors. "We are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God; that we are the people God has chosen by whom to establish his kingdom and introduce correct principles into the world; and that we are in fact the saviours of the world..." (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 163).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

16. Over 500 verses deal with death, and over 300 deal with salvation. Not one verse even hints that we can be saviors of the dead. The Bible tells us in Hebrews 9:27, "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." Note that this isn't the Mormon concept, which states: "After this comes missionary lessons, a proxy baptism, and a series of Mormon ordinances that will allow you to become gods..."



THE MORMON CHURCH TEACHES

17. Joseph Smith will be our final judge. "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

THE BIBLE TEACHES

17. Jesus said we would be judged by His word and made no mention of Joseph Smith. John 12:48 says, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." Paul referred to Christ as our judge--not Joseph.

Second Timothy 4:1 states, "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom."
 
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Crispie

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Mormanism is an addition to Gods word, so if you think that God only made the bible as scripture for us, and all others are of non-christian faith, well then theirs your answer.



"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" (Gal. 1:8).


Strangely enouph, an Angel revieled to the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, another gospel, on Golden Plates. Doesnt this contradict exactly to what the bible teaches? Thats the main reason its false. Kind of reminds me of catholicism, how they added other books(tidings) onto Christianity besides what was originally given. Just some food for thought.
 
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The Mormons believe in a man called Joseph Smith who had "seer stones" that he received prophecies from while burying his head in a hat!???
They also have to wear scratchy underwear (you can pretty much figure out why on that one)...Joseph Smith stories are all over the internet and are the Most Hilarious things I've ever read in my life. Even SouthPark did a skit on Joseph Smith, I have never laughed so hard in all my life. He called the American Indians Lamorites or something like that and said they were some long lost aliens of Islam or some silly thing, I can't remember all the details of that, but it was the most ridiculous thing I have read to date and that people don't read their history books and Learn what American Indians Really are just slays me!
However, you can form your own opinion after you read up on Joseph Smith.
This Joseph Smith would claim he'd had a vision but his visions only came when situations were getting tough on him personally and the Answers to his visions were Only to suit him. About 6 months ago I read a Day by Day account of his life and family that tracked him all the way from Vermont where he was born to his death.
Anyway, you can find enough reading material on line to form your own opinion. Everyone has the right to choose their own religions and they think they are right in theirs just the way everyone else thinks their religion is the only way...I guess the joke will be on all of us if we've chosen the wrong paths when we die.
 
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