Law of sin and death?

[klutedavid]

Remember John is not contradicting himself. All have a sin nature and all have actually sinned in the past. But as we abide in Christ we sin not. John said he wrote what he did that we sin not.

You said that we have 'sinned in the past'?

What about the sin you commit in the present and you will commit in the future?

 

[klutedavid]

So, we can have no standards for persons sitting in Judgement in a court of law??

That's correct because they are all sinners, liars and hypocrites.

We have minimum standards for lawyers and judges to administer the law in society but that is not a perfect system. Far from it because judges and lawyers themselves at times end up going to jail.

For every judge and lawyer that we find guilty there would be many more who elude detection. Do not be deceived, people are immoral creatures in the flesh.

 

[ralliann]

That's correct because they are all sinners, liars and hypocrites.

We have minimum standards for lawyers and judges to administer the law in society but that is not a perfect system. Far from it because judges and lawyers themselves at times end up going to jail.

For every judge and lawyer that we find guilty there would be many more who elude detection. Do not be deceived, people are immoral creatures in the flesh.

I am sorry. Either I am misunderstanding you or you are contradicting yourself here. First you seem to say No standards, and then you say minimum standards?

 

[klutedavid]

I am sorry. Either I am misunderstanding you or you are contradicting yourself here. First you seem to say No standards, and then you say minimum standards?

We have judges because we need them to deliver justice in society. That does not mean that judges are good people but merely that they are conversant with the law.

Good people do not exist.

 

[pinacled]

With no

I'm also curious as to how so many have assumed the woman was guilty of adultery at all. Especially after the account here is described as a snare(trap). Being that our Lord is far wiser than Solomon(those that lay the snare will be caught in their own trap[paraphrased]) I imagine He knew what they were up to all along. Many times the Lord told people things about their lives that were impossible to know unless....

And What about righteous judgement and impartiality have people missed in this weigtier lesson like innocent before proven guilty. Though it may not be implied. Hypothetically the man caught in adultery was forgiven while the woman had charges levied against her. How is that fair in the scales of justice.
Then again, its very likely she was simply involved in the sham and The Lord knew this when telling her to sin no more.
If so I imagine she would have discontinued associating with such persons per unequally yoked.

And then there is the unlikely traditional teaching that this woman was a prostitute.
I very much doubt that considering that would mean all the men accusing her were the guilty party that caught her by proxy of direct involvement.

Just my 2 shekels worth, pun intended

With noble thoughts of walking in prayer with a strength of forgiveness. I hope with ears and eyes the faithful have taken careful notice with a well lit lamp while exploring the terrain of the Torah. I Hope they have taken notice of details in generational ordinances.
If I recall correctly Yeshua mentioned the adulterous generation and how they, "seek a sign".

Wise instruction is freely given in the Torah and prophets considering this matter. If only a person would bring out new and old treasures in the spirit of the Torah(law.
In rare occurances there are some that do so with pleasure.
What I couldn't help but notice is the lack of fruits in the spirit of self discipline amongst other fruits.
Its as if people have lived to long outside and forgotten that ," all of nature sings".
The trees leaves budding remind me of the healing and green trusted in due season alongside a golden field of wheat. While the trees are left untouched for a certain number of yrs, the wheat in contrast is harvested.
Then in the spirit of fear I've noticed that some refuse to plow in winter and chose to instead ignore wise instruction and examples from ancient times.
As if iron has been mixed with clay in their hearts and forgot to lean on the Lord in the spirit of knowledge(milk) and understanding(honey).

With the purity of wisdom from above I hope there will come a time when men will consider impartial judgement as Shimshon( samson) had.

Blessings Always

 

[LoveofTruth]

You said that we have 'sinned in the past'?

What about the sin you commit in the present and you will commit in the future?

Are you sinning right now in the present?

John said if we sin and we confess our sins we are cleansed

But John did write this

1 John 2:1. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”

“ 1 John 3:6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.”

1 John 1:6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:”

Paul also said, free from sin

Romans 6:18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”

Peter also said,

1 Peter 4:1. Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;”

And Paul said to believers who some had fallen into sin,

1 Corinthians 6:9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

And Paul said,

2 Corinthians 12:21. And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.”

 

[pinacled]

I wonder if anyone here heard how many men were present to accuse and lay the snare?
Personally I saw more than two.

 

[Mary Meg]

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.​

What exactly does this mean? According to Torah:

Leviticus 20:10
‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.​

Does this mean the death penalty is off the table? I know our Lord let a woman caught "in the very act" off the death penalty hook on 2 grounds: 1 - no one would testify against her and 2 - no one grabbed the man.

So how does that relate to this?

Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

Is that person liable to the death penalty?

I've always understood this as meaning less a juridical sort of law like a death penalty for offenses -- but a spiritual law. "The law of sin and death" is the fact of life that we all sin and the wages of sin is death. "The law of the Spirit of life" is the fact of life in Jesus, that we are no longer bound by that "law of sin and death" if we walk in His Spirit.

 

[pinacled]

I've always understood this as meaning less a juridical sort of law like a death penalty for offenses -- but a spiritual law. "The law of sin and death" is the fact of life that we all sin and the wages of sin is death. "The law of the Spirit of life" is the fact of life in Jesus, that we are no longer bound by that "law of sin and death" if we walk in His Spirit.

True in a sense. ,
Unless of course a person could find a gift in the heifer, she goat , an ram.
Anyone recall this?.

I saw sarah, ishmaels mother and yischak..

What was it Shimshon(Samson) said about plowing a field with a heifer?
Silly yhdh and phillistines lack patience.
Perhaps they will hide in caves during the full moon.

 

[pinacled]

You said that we have 'sinned in the past'?

What about the sin you commit in the present and you will commit in the future?

Like I said,
There is a lack of fruits in discipline displayed in this thread.
Instead of addressing a poster try discussing the topic.

Phillipians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

 

[pinacled]

There is a serious lack of water to the fruits here Dave.

Empty wells far as I can see.

 

[pinacled]

We have judges because we need them to deliver justice in society. That does not mean that judges are good people but merely that they are conversant with the law.

Good people do not exist.

Are you peddling despair of your own free-will, or were you paid to do so.
Silly nagging women without patience reminds me of a poor judge whose heart was hidden in his hair. Silly women ignore their husbands because they fear what others say and think.
Perhaps a judge not bribed would be like sh'aul in a sensible instruction to women to be quiet.

Unless of course it is impossible for them while they tie clanginging symbols to their hair in order to draw attention.

Ill never forget a woman who had a shaved head. Not because if her head and what she looked like.
It Was her voice and heart I heard.
I wonder if she is still around.?

 

[pinacled]

Good morning dave

 

[pinacled]

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.​

What exactly does this mean? According to Torah:

Leviticus 20:10
‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.​

Does this mean the death penalty is off the table? I know our Lord let a woman caught "in the very act" off the death penalty hook on 2 grounds: 1 - no one would testify against her and 2 - no one grabbed the man.

So how does that relate to this?

Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

Is that person liable to the death penalty?

The law of sin is a thorn upon those who recognise humility.
The Good soil does not bring forth thistles and thorns from the past.

A Good Tree bears....."

Like eternal days The Lord always reminds us of fullness with the moon, stars, and sun.

After all, "all nature Sings........."
And then there are the 24 elders with crowns giving glory to the Lord.

When and why they offer obedience is to me a reminder of things to come.
Words like Hope, Glory, and , Power, are not only near but far from the heart. With provisions in order I find that the terrain of the Torah is worth exploring.

Blessed be The Name of the Lord

 

[Dave-W]

This is going way beyond what I had asked.

I was wondering if since adulterers were to be stoned to death, and our Lord said lusting in the heart was the same as adultery, should he/she who lusts be put to death?

Why or why not?

 

[pinacled]

This is going way beyond what I had asked.

I was wondering if since adulterers were to be stoned to death, and our Lord said lusting in the heart was the same as adultery, should he/she who lusts be put to death?

Why or why not?

Simply put,
Only elihu(ha'satan) considers him self God.
If you can't keep up with my iron. Let me know. Ill attribute more gentleness in the future.

40 Bible Verses about Humility

 

[pinacled]

You said that we have 'sinned in the past'?
Whatcha lookn forward to?

What about the sin you commit in the present and you will commit in the future?

I've always understood this as meaning less a juridical sort of law like a death penalty for offenses -- but a spiritual law. "The law of sin and death" is the fact of life that we all sin and the wages of sin is death. "The law of the Spirit of life" is the fact of life in Jesus, that we are no longer bound by that "law of sin and death" if we walk in His Spirit.

Amen

And what you have shared is a consideriable halachah .

 

[visionary]

Are you sinning right now in the present?

John said if we sin and we confess our sins we are cleansed

But John did write this

1 John 2:1. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”

“ 1 John 3:6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.”

1 John 1:6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:”

Paul also said, free from sin

Romans 6:18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”

Peter also said,

1 Peter 4:1. Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;”

And Paul said to believers who some had fallen into sin,

1 Corinthians 6:9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

And Paul said,

2 Corinthians 12:21. And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.”

Do you think you can live without sinning this side of heaven? Your conversation seems to be drowning in the overwhelming sea of sin, rather than being lifted out and walking above it.

 

[pinacled]

Do you think you can live without sinning this side of heaven? Your conversation seems to be drowning in the overwhelming sea of sin, rather than being lifted out and walking above it.

With help(halachah) a person might find a separation of waters.

But what to do with tears of joy depends on a choice.
Climb a tree in hope of seeing the Lord is an honorable fruit few seek.
What was it Mosheh said......"

A strength of forgiveness is very much like a promise. An eternal light over water.

But what I know

 

[LoveofTruth]

Do you think you can live without sinning this side of heaven? Your conversation seems to be drowning in the overwhelming sea of sin, rather than being lifted out and walking above it.

I believe as scripture says, if we abide in Christ we sin not.