Again brother that is just more lip service saying I am wrong and you are write. Open up your bible and bring me the verses with strong doctrine to prove it is true. Or I have no reason to believe what you say.Proof for the great tribulation happening in AD 70 is common knowledge. Proof that it was the great tribulation is in Jesus telling his present audience, the disciples, when you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, flee. Which they did verifying it was them he was speaking to.
I never said that, I said one of them has to be right. And I'm asking for proof from scripture alone to show me that you are the one right otherwise I have no reason to believe you.And it has to be you!
As i said before, end times experts are two a penny.
Christ is our lamb of sacrifice(John 1:29), all forms of Old testament sacrifice are done away with. Each of us is now a living sacrifice(Romans 12:1) offering up spiritual offerings(1 peter 2:5), the blood of Goats and lambs does nothing for us anymore(Hebrews 10:4-10).So before I let go of the temple subject, it is said among many Christians (not me) that a physical temple will be built and that temple sacrifice will begin again. I am just curious if you place this temple in your Valley. I understand you may need to research this but what is you initial response to it?
Jesus said when YOU, his present audience see this happening, leave the area, which they did. The problem is in recognizing the abomination of desolation then present, that they saw happening. Many miss it today because of their futurist indoctrination.Again brother that is just more lip service saying I am wrong and you are write. Open up your bible and bring me the verses with strong doctrine to prove it is true. Or I have no reason to believe what you say.
The study brings knowledge, and those who heart it and understand are stronger in the faith for having more truth. It brings knowledge of what is to come so that when the end truly comes we will know exactly what to expect. I understand the dangers of falsely preaching or adding or taking away from revelation, if I am wrong and someone else is right but I denied them then I am damned and it is the same in reverse. But the knowledge is given to us not to be lead away but it is given so that when the end comes we will NOT be lead away by strange and false doctrine.Well brother ..you are right or wrong. And there are instances where someone was right but very wrong . Noah was drunk in his tent so was Ham right ? Yes but his reaction was wrong . Many people's knowledge is right but their reaction is wrong . If your interpretation is correct , does this bring repentance ? Is my heart now changed . All those who hear your voice , shall do what ? I believe that God has an everlasting Kingdom of which I became a member when he forgave me . His goodness broke my heart . It caused me to beat my sword into a plowshare to break up the fallow ground both in my heart and others . My spear has become a pruning hook to prune away the dead branches so that I may bear fruit to the glory of God through and by the living word of God, Jesus Christ...God's purpose ...the manifestation of HIS goodness .
To what end is your teaching and what action does it work in the hearts of men ? Debate ? Knowledge ? Shall I run to the desert and see if Christ be there ? Shall I run to the inner chambers ? Eschatology can be a distraction ...maybe it was put there to distract those who are given to distraction ..I do not know . I believe there is great deception now working but it is the same deceptions as Paul forewarned in his day ...and grievous wolves shall enter in amongst the flock drawing men after their selves . Gnosticism ...special knowledge is especially dangerous to believers . I guess we all do well to take heed lest the light that be in us become darkness . Knowledge and specialness is very very exciting and thus dangerous ..do you know this ?
So every time the word you is used in the bible it is only speaking to the present people? When the Lord spoke to Daniel it was for HIM to see the abomination of desolation? So when Paul was speaking to the Corinthians none of that means anything to us because it was only for them? Come on now brother, by your definition none of the new testament or any of the prophecy from the old means anything to us since it was only for the specific people being spoken to then why are we now christian if the promise was not for us? Your way makes no sense and is without basis.Jesus said when YOU, his present audience see this happening, leave the area, which they did. The problem is in recognizing the abomination of desolation then present, that they saw happening. Many miss it today because of their futurist indoctrination.
The context determines the audience. Jesus was speaking to his disciples saying when YOU see these things. They saw the things and followed his instructions. Keep in mind the great tribulation was Jewish, not Christian. The Christian tribulation already began and continues until the end.So every time the word you is used in the bible it is only speaking to the present people? When the Lord spoke to Daniel it was for HIM to see the abomination of desolation? So when Paul was speaking to the Corinthians none of that means anything to us because it was only for them? Come on now brother, by your definition none of the new testament or any of the prophecy from the old means anything to us since it was only for the specific people being spoken to then why are we now christian if the promise was not for us? Your way makes no sense and is without basis.
No I do not believe anything contained in the study has been fulfilled yet(outside of the parts where I quoted Christ ascending and Solomon/ David near the mount of olives when I was explaining what/where the mount of olives is).Brother, your abbreviated dissertation may not be enough to convince me of your interpretation. You said:
"The following is a short bible study about events that shall take place"
So I gather you think none of your OT scriptural references have been fulfilled?
Please clarify when you have a moment.
Blessings
Brother ...if I may ( and this is either right or wrong ) I DO believe that Paul was writing to Corinthians and to Romans and Ephesians , etc. who were going through many trials, temptations and personal loss due to their faith . It is why these letters resonate with Muslims in a Muslim country who converts and it cost them everything ...families , jobs , homes , etc. ... Paul admonished and encouraged . To understand one must know the context in which it was written ...I believe if Paul were writing to Christians today in 1st world countries the letter may be more along the lines of " Why do you call yourselves Christians ? " Make sure you are in the faith ..make sure Christ Jesus resides in you .. I think his letters would be for a call to repentance .So every time the word you is used in the bible it is only speaking to the present people? When the Lord spoke to Daniel it was for HIM to see the abomination of desolation? So when Paul was speaking to the Corinthians none of that means anything to us because it was only for them? Come on now brother, by your definition none of the new testament or any of the prophecy from the old means anything to us since it was only for the specific people being spoken to then why are we now christian if the promise was not for us? Your way makes no sense and is without basis.
Show it then brother, stop just using your own words show and prove what you are saying. Because I can easily say that it is the same way he has always spoken when he spoke to them and that is in a way that they understood not because it was not for them to understand(John 8:27; Mark 7:16; Matt 13:10-16; Mark 4:9-13) but only for the Christians to understand(Mark 4:11; Matt 13:11,16). So none of the Jews understood what he was saying since everything he said for the Christians to understand, not the Jews.The context determines the audience. Jesus was speaking to his disciples saying when YOU see these things. They saw the things and followed his instructions. Keep in mind the great tribulation was Jewish, not Christian. The Christian tribulation already began and continues until the end.
Why did the disciples leave Jerusalem and escape the great tribulation if Jesus had not personally warned them?Show it then brother, stop just using your own words show and prove what you are saying. Because I can easily say that it is the same way he has always spoken when he spoke to them and that is in a way that they understood not because it was not for them to understand(John 8:27; Mark 7:16; Matt 13:10-16; Mark 4:9-13) but only for the Christians to understand(Mark 4:11; Matt 13:11,16). So none of the Jews understood what he was saying since everything he said for the Christians to understand, not the Jews.
Revelation 6:16 is speaking of the last moment when Christ arrives(Isaiah 2:19; Isaiah 66:15; Malachi 4:1; Hosea 10:8; Revelation 6:12-16;Revelation 20:9; 2 Peter 3:10; 1 Thess 4:16; Zeph 1:18)Let GOD be true and every man a liar.
Reminds me of the trial of Jesus before Pilate and the murderous Judean rulers
John 18:37
Pilate then said then to Him,: "Not then a king Thou art"? Jesus answered: "Thou are saying that a king am I. Into this I have been born, and into this, I have come into the world, that I should be testifying to the Truth.
Every the one being out of the Truth, is hearing My voice.
John 19:
11 Jesus answered : "Not thou are having authority against Me, none at all, if no not to thee it hath been given from above.
Therefore this the one delivering up Me to thee greater sin is having"..............
15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!”
Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?”
The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”
38 Pilate is saying to Him: "What is Truth"?
And this saying, again He came out to the Judeans and is saying to them: "I not yet am finding fault in Him".
And Christ did indeed show them and all Judeans Who their real King was in 70ad
Luke 23:
28 But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.
30 “Then they will begin to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’[fn]
Revelation 6:16
And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb-kin"
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]
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Your telling me they saw an army approaching and fled? Who in their right mind would do that? Come on now brother, you would be a fool to stay in a city about to be under siege regardless of the circumstances. The Apostles were not fools.Why did the disciples leave Jerusalem and escape the great tribulation if Jesus had not personally warned them?
If you study the siege, the Jews chased the Romans who fled. The Jews got cocky but the Romans returned. Josephus says Christians escaped when the Roman army first retreated.Your telling me they saw an army approaching and fled? Who in their right mind would do that? Come on now brother, you would be a fool to stay in a city about to be under siege regardless of the circumstances. The Apostles were not fools.
Oh, so what your saying they did not head Christ's word. Because had they seen the army approaching the first time they should have fled according to what your saying. So these people filled with the Holy spirit didn't heed the word of God? They disobeyed his word? And didn't flee until after the Romans had been provoked by the Jews to anger? That doesn't sound like the Apostles to me, if the Apostles truly believed those verses were speaking to them they would have fled on the first approach. They fled because like any intelligent man in their position they knew what an angry roman army would do.If you study the siege, the Jews chased the Romans who fled. The Jews got cocky but the Romans returned. Josephus says Christians escaped when the Roman army first retreated.
All Christians fled, not just the Apostles. Read Josephus the historian before saying too much more.Oh, so what your saying they did not head Christ's word. Because had they seen the army approaching the first time they should have fled according to what your saying. So these people filled with the Holy spirit didn't heed the word of God? They disobeyed his word? And didn't flee until after the Romans had been provoked by the Jews to anger? That doesn't sound like the Apostles to me, if the Apostles truly believed those verses were speaking to them they would have fled on the first approach. They fled because like any intelligent man in their position they knew what an angry roman army would do.
That's what I'm saying brother, why did they not flee on the first approach if that is what they though it was?All Christians fled, not just the Apostles. Read Josephus the historian before saying too much more.
Brother I'll tell you what I understand why you think it is speaking of 70Ad for the fulfillment of the Luke 21, and while I may not agree with you, speaking on it further will profit us nothing So tell me why you think all of these(going verse by verse) are not speaking of a physical mountain.All Christians fled, not just the Apostles. Read Josephus the historian before saying too much more.
You haven't any scripture supporting a future 7 year tribulation. Without it, you haven't anything to base your faith on.Brother I'll tell you what I understand why you think it is speaking of 70Ad for the fulfillment of the Luke 21, and while I may not agree with you, speaking on it further will profit us nothing So tell me why you think all of these(going verse by verse) are not speaking of a physical mountain.
(Zech 14:3, Ezekiel 11:23)
14. Isaiah 2:2, Joel 2:32 the physical mountain of the Lord's house/kingdom will be established(meaning this is the time after Christ divided the Mt of Olives and people are now able to enter into it-
(4) People of God will flee to the valley of the Mt. (Zech 14:5)
After this the Lord divides the mountain into a great valley(Zech 14:4-5) to which the people of the Lord will flee it will be the Lord's kingdom on earth until his coming in the Flesh. There will be peace in the valley(Isaiah 11:6-10; 25:6-10; 65:20-25; Ezekiel 28:25-26) and the Child shall live to be an hundred years(Isaiah 65:20).
26. Isaiah 27:12-13 the remnant shall be gathered one by one upon this highway to the Lord's holy mountain-
29. Isaiah 52:1, Nahum 1:15, Zech 14:21, Joel 3:17 No unrighteous person will be able to enter into the Lord's kingdom/mountain
30. Isaiah 56:1-7 only those who keep the Lord's Sabbath holy will be brought into the his Holy Mountain.
15. Isaiah 11:9-12 at this time the Lord will set his hand the second time to recover the remnant of his people to his Holy mountain-
21. Joel 2:32 these are those who shall call upon the name of the Lord these are the remnant who the Lord shall call into his mountain-
22. Micah 4:1-4, Isaiah 2:3-4 those who are among the many nations of the earth shall say to one another let us go up to that Holy mountain-
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