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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by StephenDiscipleofYHWH, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

    StephenDiscipleofYHWH Well-Known Member

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    Again brother that is just more lip service saying I am wrong and you are write. Open up your bible and bring me the verses with strong doctrine to prove it is true. Or I have no reason to believe what you say.
     
  2. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

    StephenDiscipleofYHWH Well-Known Member

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    I never said that, I said one of them has to be right. And I'm asking for proof from scripture alone to show me that you are the one right otherwise I have no reason to believe you.
     
  3. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Christ is our lamb of sacrifice(John 1:29), all forms of Old testament sacrifice are done away with. Each of us is now a living sacrifice(Romans 12:1) offering up spiritual offerings(1 peter 2:5), the blood of Goats and lambs does nothing for us anymore(Hebrews 10:4-10).

    So initial response is the temple is said to be in heaven and if it comes down to the valley(i do not know) it will not be for blood sacrifice so the purpose it would serve in the valley I do not know.
     
  4. Dave L

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    Jesus said when YOU, his present audience see this happening, leave the area, which they did. The problem is in recognizing the abomination of desolation then present, that they saw happening. Many miss it today because of their futurist indoctrination.
     
  5. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    The study brings knowledge, and those who heart it and understand are stronger in the faith for having more truth. It brings knowledge of what is to come so that when the end truly comes we will know exactly what to expect. I understand the dangers of falsely preaching or adding or taking away from revelation, if I am wrong and someone else is right but I denied them then I am damned and it is the same in reverse. But the knowledge is given to us not to be lead away but it is given so that when the end comes we will NOT be lead away by strange and false doctrine.
     
  6. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    So every time the word you is used in the bible it is only speaking to the present people? When the Lord spoke to Daniel it was for HIM to see the abomination of desolation? So when Paul was speaking to the Corinthians none of that means anything to us because it was only for them? Come on now brother, by your definition none of the new testament or any of the prophecy from the old means anything to us since it was only for the specific people being spoken to then why are we now christian if the promise was not for us? Your way makes no sense and is without basis.
     
  7. Dave L

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    The context determines the audience. Jesus was speaking to his disciples saying when YOU see these things. They saw the things and followed his instructions. Keep in mind the great tribulation was Jewish, not Christian. The Christian tribulation already began and continues until the end.
     
  8. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

    StephenDiscipleofYHWH Well-Known Member

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    No I do not believe anything contained in the study has been fulfilled yet(outside of the parts where I quoted Christ ascending and Solomon/ David near the mount of olives when I was explaining what/where the mount of olives is).

    Did that answer question sister? If I not I will try to answer it better.
     
  9. NeedyFollower

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    Brother ...if I may ( and this is either right or wrong ) I DO believe that Paul was writing to Corinthians and to Romans and Ephesians , etc. who were going through many trials, temptations and personal loss due to their faith . It is why these letters resonate with Muslims in a Muslim country who converts and it cost them everything ...families , jobs , homes , etc. ... Paul admonished and encouraged . To understand one must know the context in which it was written ...I believe if Paul were writing to Christians today in 1st world countries the letter may be more along the lines of " Why do you call yourselves Christians ? " Make sure you are in the faith ..make sure Christ Jesus resides in you .. I think his letters would be for a call to repentance .
     
  10. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Show it then brother, stop just using your own words show and prove what you are saying. Because I can easily say that it is the same way he has always spoken when he spoke to them and that is in a way that they understood not because it was not for them to understand(John 8:27; Mark 7:16; Matt 13:10-16; Mark 4:9-13) but only for the Christians to understand(Mark 4:11; Matt 13:11,16). So none of the Jews understood what he was saying since everything he said for the Christians to understand, not the Jews.
     
  11. Dave L

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    Why did the disciples leave Jerusalem and escape the great tribulation if Jesus had not personally warned them?
     
  12. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Revelation 6:16 is speaking of the last moment when Christ arrives(Isaiah 2:19; Isaiah 66:15; Malachi 4:1; Hosea 10:8; Revelation 6:12-16;Revelation 20:9; 2 Peter 3:10; 1 Thess 4:16; Zeph 1:18)
    The days that are coming(Luke 23:29), is speaking of the the great tribulation before the end comes.
     
  13. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Your telling me they saw an army approaching and fled? Who in their right mind would do that? Come on now brother, you would be a fool to stay in a city about to be under siege regardless of the circumstances. The Apostles were not fools.
     
  14. Dave L

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    If you study the siege, the Jews chased the Romans who fled. The Jews got cocky but the Romans returned. Josephus says Christians escaped when the Roman army first retreated.
     
  15. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Oh, so what your saying they did not head Christ's word. Because had they seen the army approaching the first time they should have fled according to what your saying. So these people filled with the Holy spirit didn't heed the word of God? They disobeyed his word? And didn't flee until after the Romans had been provoked by the Jews to anger? That doesn't sound like the Apostles to me, if the Apostles truly believed those verses were speaking to them they would have fled on the first approach. They fled because like any intelligent man in their position they knew what an angry roman army would do.
     
  16. Dave L

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    All Christians fled, not just the Apostles. Read Josephus the historian before saying too much more.
     
  17. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    That's what I'm saying brother, why did they not flee on the first approach if that is what they though it was?
     
  18. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Brother I'll tell you what I understand why you think it is speaking of 70Ad for the fulfillment of the Luke 21, and while I may not agree with you, speaking on it further will profit us nothing So tell me why you think all of these(going verse by verse) are not speaking of a physical mountain.
    (Zech 14:3, Ezekiel 11:23)
    14. Isaiah 2:2, Joel 2:32 the physical mountain of the Lord's house/kingdom will be established(meaning this is the time after Christ divided the Mt of Olives and people are now able to enter into it-
    (4) People of God will flee to the valley of the Mt. (Zech 14:5)
    After this the Lord divides the mountain into a great valley(Zech 14:4-5) to which the people of the Lord will flee it will be the Lord's kingdom on earth until his coming in the Flesh. There will be peace in the valley(Isaiah 11:6-10; 25:6-10; 65:20-25; Ezekiel 28:25-26) and the Child shall live to be an hundred years(Isaiah 65:20).
    26. Isaiah 27:12-13 the remnant shall be gathered one by one upon this highway to the Lord's holy mountain-
    29. Isaiah 52:1, Nahum 1:15, Zech 14:21, Joel 3:17 No unrighteous person will be able to enter into the Lord's kingdom/mountain
    30. Isaiah 56:1-7 only those who keep the Lord's Sabbath holy will be brought into the his Holy Mountain.
    15. Isaiah 11:9-12 at this time the Lord will set his hand the second time to recover the remnant of his people to his Holy mountain-
    21. Joel 2:32 these are those who shall call upon the name of the Lord these are the remnant who the Lord shall call into his mountain-
    22. Micah 4:1-4, Isaiah 2:3-4 those who are among the many nations of the earth shall say to one another let us go up to that Holy mountain-
     
  19. Lost4words

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    Matthew 24:34
    34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
     
  20. Dave L

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    You haven't any scripture supporting a future 7 year tribulation. Without it, you haven't anything to base your faith on.
     
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