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Featured Kingdom of God on Earth

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by StephenDiscipleofYHWH, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Lost4words

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    I also agree that 70AD was 'the' date. I can see it by reading what Jesus said and what Revelation says. You dont see it because you see things differently. Nothing wrong in that. Everyone has their view.
     
  2. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    And again, only one of those grains can be completely true.
     
  3. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Brother, I keep asking for proof because I will never be able to see why you and the other man believe what you believe unless you can show me why from scripture. The man's says I'm misinterpreting God's word, but it's not enough just to say it a person has to prove the other is wrong. Otherwise it's just hollow words and lip service that comes to nothing, no Godliness and no Gain.
     
  4. Dave L

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    Proof for the great tribulation happening in AD 70 is common knowledge. Proof that it was the great tribulation is in Jesus telling his present audience, the disciples, when you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, flee. Which they did verifying it was them he was speaking to.
     
  5. Brian Mcnamee

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    then when the risen Jesus showed thomas his sides and his hands and asked him to feel the wounds in His side and his hands we see that flesh and blood are still around in the Ressurection. Perhaps Jesus was speaking of the being born again as when He comes with all His saints including those beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast while rest of the dead unbelievers sit in fire waiting 1000 years for the great white judgment while Satan is bound and the nations no more deceived and the kingdom is on earth for that time. You say the old is revealed in the new. And Daniel sees the kingdom covering the earth when the stone cut without hands descends from heaven and destroys the image of the kingdoms of man. This stone becomes a mountain that covers the earth and this kingdom has no end. You see in Zech 14 when the LORD is pronounced king over all the earth on the day he comes with His saints he destroys his enemies and the MT of Olives splits in two and a new river that flows year round is formed. Then after he has come the nations must keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain. This kingdom has no end and at the end of the 1000 years the kingdom moves locations. This is consistent with the rules of prophecy that the prophet must be 100% right in what he says must happen. This literal view does not disagree with salvation being under the new covenant. The gospel is that for sure. So the sense of a spiritual kingdom and a physical kingdom with Israel the nation being saved both run parallel. I try to eat the chicken and spit our the bones. We have different lenses we see with and it seems your lens won't allow you to see it my way and vice versa. I can only point to the literal view of the prophetic destiny though a new 7 year period of Daniels 70th week has all the players on the stage and the Satanic symbolism and quoted agenda is again parallel to the literal view which would challenge the historical fulfillment view logically as why would it be setting up exactly as literalist expect it too.
     
  6. Dave L

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    Jesus says his kingdom comes without observation. And unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom. This creates insurmountable problems for the Pre-Millennial interpretation of Rev 20. Satan turning glorified saints against glorified saints, etc.
     
  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    Let GOD be true and every man a liar.
    Reminds me of the trial of Jesus before Pilate and the murderous Judean rulers


    John 18:37
    Pilate then said then to Him,: "Not then a king Thou art"? Jesus answered: "Thou are saying that a king am I. Into this I have been born, and into this, I have come into the world, that I should be testifying to the Truth.
    Every the one being out of the Truth, is hearing My voice.
    John 19:
    11 Jesus answered : "Not thou are having authority against Me, none at all, if no not to thee it hath been given from above.
    Therefore this the one delivering up Me to thee greater sin is having"..............

    15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!”
    Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?”
    The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”
    38 Pilate is saying to Him: "What is Truth"?
    And this saying, again He came out to the Judeans and is saying to them: "I not yet am finding fault in Him".

    And Christ did indeed show them and all Judeans Who their real King was in 70ad

    Luke 23:
    28 But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.
    30 “Then they will begin to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’[fn]

    Revelation 6:16
    And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne,
    and from the wrath of the Lamb-kin"

    [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]



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  8. Brian Mcnamee

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    If teh abomination of desolation happened in 70AD why is the world moving towards a one world government with Jerusalem and the temple mount being one of the epicenters for geopolitical turmoil? The Temple Institute has replicated everything necessary to resume the sacrifices. If you do any research into Illuminati NWO one world government you will see the whole thing reeks of Satanic symbolism and a plan to consolidate all power of the world into one government. This most likely will divide the globe into 10 EU type sectors. Anyways Jesus spoke of the Isaiah 61 and said today this is fulfilled in your hearing. Jesus stopped mid sentence and the one who was doing all the good and bringing in the acceptable day of the LORD is also the one who brings in the day of vengeance of God.
    1 “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me,
    Because the LORD has anointed Me
    To preach good tidings to the poor;
    He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
    To proclaim liberty to the captives,
    And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
    2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
    And the day of vengeance of our God;
    To comfort all who mourn,
    3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
    To give them beauty for ashes,
    The oil of joy for mourning,
    The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
    That they may be called trees of righteousness,
    The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.”
    4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
    They shall raise up the former desolations,
    And they shall repair the ruined cities,
    The desolations of many generations.
    5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
    And the sons of the foreigner
    Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
    6 But you shall be named the priests of the LORD,
    They shall call you the servants of our God.
    You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,
    And in their glory you shall boast.
    7 Instead of your shame you shall have double honor,
    And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.
    Therefore in their land they shall possess double;
    Everlasting joy shall be theirs. This day of vengeance has its effect on Zion. Everlasting joy the comfort of mourning they are the planting of the LORD for his glory. The day of vengeance is still future. The story of Joseph has as the climax the moment he revealed himself to his brothers who sold him out and were going to kill him. This type of guilt is on Israel and 70AD and all they paid for that rejection. This time when Jesus is revealed when He saves then and the world at the 2nd coming this will play out that they will be established. Even the new testament affirms this as the Holy 'spirit in Luke 129 But when she saw him,[fn] she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. 30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” Davids throne is not the heavenly throne.

    67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
    68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
    For He has visited and redeemed His people,
    69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
    In the house of His servant David,
    70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
    Who have been since the world began,
    71 That we should be saved from our enemies
    And from the hand of all who hate us,
    72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
    And to remember His holy covenant,
    73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
    74 To grant us that we,
    Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
    Might serve Him without fear,
    75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
    This deliverance is seen in Zech 14 and matches revelation when Satan is bound and the LORD comes with his saints. Only those born again reign in the kingdom. Those who survive will repopulate the earth. Those left in hell for 1000 years did not inherit the kingdom as flesh and blood they were unregenerated.
     
  9. Brian Mcnamee

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    16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. The LORD comes with his saints and see right here there are those who are left....These are not all born again people but a remnant that refused the mark the survived the tribulation. You see the exclusion of those dead not born again from this time. You see the saints coming with the LORD. this is consistent that the day of vengeance is the day the kingdom comes and life continues afterwards for 1000 years.
     
  10. Dave L

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    The primary occupation of heaven will be the worship of the God of heaven. In these verses, the prophet foresees those who are ‘left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem’ (v. 16) joining in the worship. This indicates the conversion of those who once were the enemies of God and his people. Conversion makes God’s enemies his friends and sinners his subjects.

    Ellsworth, R. (2010). Opening Up Zechariah (p. 135). Leominster: Day One Publications.
     
  11. Brian Mcnamee

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    remember that Satan was without sin and in heaven when he led a rebellion. Even is only the saved inherited the kingdom their children would still be born in the nature of Adam. Many saved people also backslide and walk away from their faith. Daniel 7 speaks of the beasts losing their dominion at the time the one speaking the pompous words is thrown into the fire but says their lives(beasts) were prolonged for a season and a time. This is consistent with Satan being bound and released at the same time the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire. At this point you would have to be claiming that Satan is already bound and the nations are no more deceived which when I look around and look back at history I find incredibly inconsistent with the righteous reign described when the LORD is king over the earth. In Zech 14 there are so many specifics on that special day and if you consider Zechariah rightly called Jesus betrayal for 30 piecesof silver withe the money being thrown to the potter and Jesus ridiing in on the foal of a donkey I would think he is again being literal about this key day.
     
  12. LittleLambofJesus

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    The days of vengeance was fulfilled upon 1st century Jerusalem, it's Temple/Sanctuary and the murderous corrupt priesthood.

    "DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation
    "DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

    Luke 4:
    17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:................
    21 and He began by saying,
    “Today this Scripture<1124 is fulfilled in your hearing.”

    And here is Luke fulfilling out the rest of the verse from Isaiah 61:2...

    Luke 21:
    22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772)
    23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath/ὀργὴ <3709> upon this people.

    Hey lookie here.
    The exact same form of the greek word G1125 that is used in Luke 21:22. Allehuia!

    Revelation 1:3

    Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772), for the Time Is NIGH AT HAND<1451>.

    .....................
     
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  13. Dave L

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    Revelation 20 says Satan is bound in so far as not being able to deceive the nations [gentiles]. This would be us who are grafted into Israel in place of the broken off unbelievers. When loosed (I believe has happened already) he rallies the world to attack the kingdom.
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    I am really having a hard time reconciling that 1000 year period to the NT.
    I had a view that perhaps is was symblizing the time, times half a time or a summation of the whole book of revelation.

    The 1st time "abyss" is used is the rather unusual event of the "kamikaze" swine

    Luke 8
    30 And Jesus questioned him, saying, "What is thy name?"
    and he said, "Legion" (because many demons were entered into him,)
    31 and he was calling on Him, that He may not command them to go away to the Abyss,
    [Matthew 8:32 Mark 5:13]

    Then this verse in Romans

    Romans 10:7
    or, 'Who shall go down to the Abyss,' that is, Christ out of the dead to be leading up.

    I think there should be a way to put those verses in chronological order in chapters 1-19.
    For example, maybe something along the lines of this

    Revelation 20
    1 And I saw a messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the Abyss, and a great chain over his hand,
    3 and he cast him to the Abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him,
    that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished;
    and after these, it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.

    Revelation 17:8
    ‘The beast that thou didst see: it was, and is not and is being about to be ascending out of the Abyss, and to go away to perdition/destruction,

    Revelation 9:
    1 And the fifth messenger trumpets, and I saw a Star out of the heaven having fallen to the land,
    and there was given to it the key of the well/pit of the Abyss,
    2 and he did open the well/pit of the Abyss, and there came up smoke out of the well/pit as smoke of a great furnace,
    11 and they have over them a King — the messenger of the Abyss
    a name [is] to him in Hebrew, Abaddon,
    and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon/destroyer.

    Revelation 11

    7 ‘And whenever they should be finishing their testimony,
    the beast that is ascending out of the Abyss shall be doing battle with them, and shall be overcoming them, and shall be killing them,
    8 and their dead bodies lay upon the broad-place of the great City (that is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where also our/their Lord was crucified,)

    Revelation 9:
    1 And the fifth messenger trumpets, and I saw a Star out of the heaven having fallen to the land,
    and there was given to it the key of the well/pit of the Abyss,
    2 and he did open the well/pit of the Abyss, and there came up smoke out of the well/pit as smoke of a great furnace,
    and darkened was the sun and the air, from the smoke of the well/pit.
    11 and they have over them a King — the messenger of the Abyss
    a name [is] to him in Hebrew, Abaddon,
    and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon/destroyer.

    ,
     
  15. Maria Billingsley

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    Brother, your abbreviated dissertation may not be enough to convince me of your interpretation. You said:
    "The following is a short bible study about events that shall take place"
    So I gather you think none of your OT scriptural references have been fulfilled?
    Please clarify when you have a moment.
    Blessings
     
  16. Maria Billingsley

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    So before I let go of the temple subject, it is said among many Christians (not me) that a physical temple will be built and that temple sacrifice will begin again. I am just curious if you place this temple in your Valley. I understand you may need to research this but what is you initial response to it?
     
  17. Dave L

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    The 1000 years represent Satan's binding. When fulfilled, he is loosed. This places the binding in the gospel era, the only era that applies to the nations [gentiles] and the gospel binds Satan from deceiving them.
     
  18. NeedyFollower

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    Well brother ..you are right or wrong. And there are instances where someone was right but very wrong . Noah was drunk in his tent so was Ham right ? Yes but his reaction was wrong . Many people's knowledge is right but their reaction is wrong . If your interpretation is correct , does this bring repentance ? Is my heart now changed . All those who hear your voice , shall do what ? I believe that God has an everlasting Kingdom of which I became a member when he forgave me . His goodness broke my heart . It caused me to beat my sword into a plowshare to break up the fallow ground both in my heart and others . My spear has become a pruning hook to prune away the dead branches so that I may bear fruit to the glory of God through and by the living word of God, Jesus Christ...God's purpose ...the manifestation of HIS goodness .
    To what end is your teaching and what action does it work in the hearts of men ? Debate ? Knowledge ? Shall I run to the desert and see if Christ be there ? Shall I run to the inner chambers ? Eschatology can be a distraction ...maybe it was put there to distract those who are given to distraction ..I do not know . I believe there is great deception now working but it is the same deceptions as Paul forewarned in his day ...and grievous wolves shall enter in amongst the flock drawing men after their selves . Gnosticism ...special knowledge is especially dangerous to believers . I guess we all do well to take heed lest the light that be in us become darkness . Knowledge and specialness is very very exciting and thus dangerous ..do you know this ?
     
  19. Lost4words

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    And it has to be you!

    As i said before, end times experts are two a penny.
     
  20. Lost4words

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    Look at the scripture you quote. Its meaning comes forth differently for me. I read Revelation and it reads differently than how you see it.

    Quoting tons of scripture means nothing. Anybody can do that.
     
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