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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by StephenDiscipleofYHWH, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

    StephenDiscipleofYHWH Well-Known Member

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    But all Nations did't gather against it and only a residue of the people spared, the women weren't ravished and the mount of olives did not divide in the midst into a great valley driving out those who took. Rome wasn't driven out by the parting of the mount of olives and unless rome is going to rise again and occupy that area then there is no possible way your interpretation can be true.
     
  2. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    Been studying the Word for 47 years. I learn more all the time. I look forward to learning more.
    I am not the least bit afraid of the Lord and what I have done with the Word. I feel good about it!
    What you say here is used by virtually everybody in their attempt to force by threats and fear.
    Not going to fall for it.
    I love the Lord and He loves me. That is my confidence. I actually look forward to getting there and learning at His feet. What an opportunity we will all share!!

     
  3. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

    StephenDiscipleofYHWH Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't about intimidation, if I am wrong then you were right not to listen to me, but if I was right and you didn't even take the time to hear me out then you are accountable regardless. Those are the facts.
     
  4. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    Well like I said... I have been studying the word for 47 years and have had discussions with hundreds if not thousands of people on virtually every topic. There are millions of Christians on the planet and almost all of them have different ideas on this or that. Please do not suggest that I have to spend 24 hours of every day listening to every single one of them lest one of them may have a truth I have not heard. Is that what you do ?
    These are the thoughts and arguments of a neophyte. I do not want to discourage you. Please do continue to research and study these things all your life. I will guarantee you that when you are my age you will look back and begin to count the ideas that you used to have but that the Holy Spirit has pressed you to change. Please do no say that at your young age you pretend to know everything and even more than those who have been studying the word for twice as long as you have been alive. Again... do not be discouraged. Continue to learn. You WILL change your positions many times in the years to come.
     
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  5. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Yes that is what I do, and those who came before me did the same. I study every wind of Doctrine but do not let myself get carried away with them, you wouldn't believe the wealth of knowledge and truth I have gained from it. I would dig through a dumpster to find just a shred of truth. I am not new to the Gospel, I was raised in it and built on a sure foundation, of that I am sure.

    I do not believe I have all knowledge, I know very little but I can truly say that just because someone has studied for longer than I have it does not mean they have more truth, but I am always happy to listen to them so that I might gain even the smallest shred that is true and agrees with scripture.
    May God bless and guide you.
     
  6. Maria Billingsley

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    Is the new temple in the valley too?
     
  7. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Which New temple were you speaking of sister? And Which verse or verses speaks of it?
     
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  8. Maria Billingsley

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    You said this.

    There is a physical kingdom set up in the valley of the mountain before the end comes(as I showed in the study) and then after Christ comes back in the flesh and destroys the heavens and earth with fire then we will dwell in the kingdom of heaven in the new heavens and the new earth created after the judgment of those who were part of the second Resurrection.

    I am curious if the physical kingdom in the valley will house the new temple.
     
  9. Lost4words

    Lost4words Like a puppy, i need guidance. Supporter

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    Interpretation. Many people, have many interpretations. Some believe that only 'their' one is the correct one.
     
  10. Dave L

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    You are confusing the Jewish great tribulation, past, with the Christian tribulation, ongoing.
     
  11. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Okay sister, I just trying to clarify what temple you were speaking of one of the spiritual temples that we each are the temple in revelation 21 where God and the Lamb are our temple. I was just looking for clarification is all sister.

    The temple of Revelation 11 appears to be in heaven with the ark of the testament. Haven't read to much on it yet but I'm sort of curious as to where it is now as well. I will look into it and once I have a definitive answer I will reply back with it. As it stands right now I could not say whether or not it will be in the valley or not. I apologize for my lack of knowledge on the matter.
     
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  12. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    I'm not confusing anything brother it says it all right here
    Christ spiritually stands on the Mt.of Olives and drives out the nations who took Jerusalem (Zech 14:3, Ezekiel 11:23)
    Zech 14:
    14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
    2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lordmy God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
    6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
    7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
    8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
    9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

    Ezekiel 11:23
    23 And the glory of the Lord went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

    Isaiah 13:16
    16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

    Luke 21:
    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    These are the same exact things brother it is a plain and clear reading of scripture.
     
  13. Dave L

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    You are misapplying this. The great tribulation is past, happening in 70 AD. All prophecy will find fulfillment in the restoration of Israel (believers in Christ) in the resurrection of the dead/rapture on the last day. Culminating in the new heavens and earth. There is no millennium.
     
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  14. Lost4words

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    Interpretation. All down to how you understand the written word.
     
  15. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    And sometimes those peoples interpretations are correct, if everyone's interpretation is different then only one can right. If I said it was Tuesday and you said it was Wednesday only one of us could be right or both of us could be wrong, but someone somewhere has to be right.
     
  16. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Prove it brother, I keep asking for proof but you just keep giving lip service. Unless you can prove what you say I have no reason to believe it.
     
  17. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    I understand it from a clear reading of scripture without adding or taking away anything from it.
     
  18. Maria Billingsley

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    I am not sure what stream of eschatology you are speaking of. I myself, am amillennial and a partial preterist meaning, all of the Old Testament is fulfilled in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and the only thing left is His second coming in propitiation for the Bride before our Father.
     
  19. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    I don't really know what I would be called. I believe Christ fulfilled all the things that were spoken of him concerning the fulfillment of the Old testament law, but the prophecy concerning what he will do during the end has not yet come to pass since those are the latter days and not all in the here and now. I believe the first resurrection of the righteous dead takes place before the thousand years(not a literal thousand years) then after Satan is loosed he gathers all nations against the Lord's holy mountain on earth when the army encompass the camp that is when Christ returns, destroys everything with fire, and then afterward the rest of the dead and all the living are raised in the second Resurrection to be judged.

    As to the New temple from reading Rev 11:1,19 it says the temple is in heaven but I don't know anything other than that about if it descends down to earth, I just don't know enough about it to speak on it without possibly getting something wrong.
     
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  20. Lost4words

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    You are adding etc as u put your very own take on said scripture. End times experts are like grains of sand on the beach.
     
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