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Featured Kingdom of God on Earth

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by StephenDiscipleofYHWH, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

    StephenDiscipleofYHWH Well-Known Member

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    There is a spiritual mountain and a physical mountain before Christ comes.
    A physical kingdom set up and then afterward a spiritual kingdom set up.
    The physical kingdom/mountain is destroyed by fire at Christ's coming and the spiritual mountain(church of God) inherits the spiritual kingdom in the new heavens and the new earth.
     
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  2. NeedyFollower

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    Brother ..this is an observation but maybe well founded. You are asking many people to trust your interpretations but I do not know anything about you . Knowledge of the bible and knowing of all mysteries is no substitute for love . I do believe that the scripture would indicate that humility comes before honor. And likewise the scriptures are not open to private interpretation. These things are given to us for a reason but we are to rightly divide the word of truth . Does knowing these things bring more meekness , love and other fruits of the spirit that are valuable in the sight of God ? To what purpose ? Again , I do not know you but be careful of the snare of spiritual pride that comes from bible knowledge . I am not saying you have it ...but be careful . Grace and peace in the authority of our Lord Jesus for we are but men.
     
  3. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    That's why I tell everyone to try to the doctrine I bring by the word of God, I never said believe what I said without proof I provided all the proof I could find for each of my beliefs everything I have said has been based on scripture and is of no private interpretation.
    2 timothy 3:16-17
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
    2 timothy 4:1-2, 5
    1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
    2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

    I love every person equally as God commands, that is why I go out to preach the word and why I wrote this and posted it here so that people could read, try, and know the truth. We must consider the end of each man's conversation but to consider the end of it you must first hear them out. Understanding this doctrine I bring, brings truth and light and knowledge of what hardships we will face and what joys we will experience which knowledge is given to us by the grace of God. I have no pride all pride is sinful and none occasion given for it.
    Pride
    (Proverbs 11:2; proverbs 8:13; Proverbs 16:5,18; Proverbs 29:23; Mark 7:20-23; 1 John 2:16; Daniel 4:37)
    I am not asking anything of anyone that I would not do myself, neither am I asking them to believe what I say because I said it. Try the doctrine I bring, deny it if it is wrong and accept it if it is true, that is what I am asking
     
  4. SavedByGrace3

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    Consider Finis Dake author of "God's Plan for Man" and creator of "Dake's Annotated Bible."
    The man spent thousands of hours studying and putting together a masterful presentation of end times theology. He created commentaries on the books of Daniel and the Book of Revelation and hundreds of scriptures to back up his eschatological point of view. Yet i do not fully agree with his ideas. I respect him greatly for the work he has done. Yet still..... we cannot accept any man's interpretation. In the end, it is a matter of our conscience and what we did with what the Holy Spirit has made real to us. So while I congratulate you for you deep and full study, do not be offended that I and others do not agree with every point you make. When I am with the Lord I cannot say "because Dake told me" or "because Stephen said so."
    He will turn to me and ask "But what did I tell you?"
    Blessings
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  5. Dave L

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    I do not find support for this in the NT version of the kingdom.
     
  6. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Consider this though if I am right(or anyone else for that matter) when you are with Lord and he asks why did you not listen to his word and accept the doctrine he sent you? What will you say? He sent out preachers into the world so that all may hear his doctrine and after having heard the true word we become accountable for it becoming justified by accepting it or becoming damned through denying it.
    Romans 10:14-18
    14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
    17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
    2 Peter 2:21
    21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    How do we know they are right and the messenger true? By trying the doctrine they bring by the word of God, that is the only way to know the truth.
    2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    It is not about whether we ourselves agree with the word being brought it is about whether or not the word of God agrees the word brought. If you find fault with what I have written show me how I am wrong with strong doctrine, sparing nothing, and with all long suffering, reprove me and correct what I have said. That is what we are called to do, so that in the day of judgment we can stand before the lord and say, We rebuked and corrected those in error and accepted and kept your pure doctrine delivered by your true messengers.
    God bless and guide you.
     
  7. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    As I said brother, it's all in the study. I've spared nothing in showing it to be true and in agreement with the New testament account of the Lord's spiritual kingdom.
     
  8. Dave L

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    But your study contradicts Christ's own teaching on the kingdom as long as you try to sneak in one physical element.
     
  9. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Not true brother his everlasting kingdom is in heaven, the kingdom set up in the valley of the mountain is a fulfillment of the anti-typical wave sheaf offerings the two living harvests of the first and second remnant.
    deborah judges 4:4- 1.week of tabernacles- desire of ages p.- lev 23:39 07/15/
    2,good seed matt 13:24
    3.Christ the anti type of the wave sheaf-lamb wave sheaf 23:11,12- first fruit of the dead
    4.pentecost = day wave loaves offered lev 23:16,17 - 50 days later
    5. feast of tabernacles(typical) patriarch and prophet p.
    6.tare sowing time mat 13:25- rom 13:11 awake
    7.living harvest firstfruit ez 9:4; isaiah 66:19; lev 23:11- 144000
    8.2nd fruits gathered in isaiah 66:20; 60:1,4,5; rev 18:4- second part of harvest leviticus 23:39
    Since the Wave sheaf was a figure of Christ and those who rose with him as the first of the first fruits of the dead as the wave loafs were of a figure of the 12 disciples who were full complement of the first fruits of the dead who were gathered after the Resurrection.

    There is a lot more to that still being worked on, it is the next study I am doing.
     
  10. Dave L

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    Jesus said too many times his kingdom is purely spiritual and not of this word for me to think otherwise.
     
  11. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    And it is purely spiritual, the one set up on earth is only temporary and is only for a specific purpose to bring about the fulfillment of many things. It is not the eternal kingdom brother, there is a difference between the two that I don't believe you are understanding.
     
  12. Dave L

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    But Jesus says his kingdom is not of this world. And one must be born again to see it.
     
  13. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Exactly brother, the kingdom of heaven is not of this world it is the heavenly kingdom that we must be born again to see. I am not saying and scripture is not saying that the valley of the mountain is the Lord's heavenly kingdom it is an entirely different thing that serves a different purpose. It is not the final kingdom/heavenly kingdom.
     
  14. Dave L

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    There are only two ages for a kingdom. This present evil age where Jesus says his kingdom is not part of. And the age to come which is eternal and perfect. Your idea of the kingdom fits neither age.
     
  15. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    If you read it says his kingdom is set up on earth in the valley of the mountain
    (Zech 14:3, Ezekiel 11:23)
    14. Isaiah 2:2, Joel 2:32 the physical mountain of the Lord's house/kingdom will be established(meaning this is the time after Christ divided the Mt of Olives and people are now able to enter into it-
    (4) People of God will flee to the valley of the Mt. (Zech 14:5)
    After this the Lord divides the mountain into a great valley(Zech 14:4-5) to which the people of the Lord will flee it will be the Lord's kingdom on earth until his coming in the Flesh. There will be peace in the valley(Isaiah 11:6-10; 25:6-10; 65:20-25; Ezekiel 28:25-26) and the Child shall live to be an hundred years(Isaiah 65:20).
    26. Isaiah 27:12-13 the remnant shall be gathered one by one upon this highway to the Lord's holy mountain-
    29. Isaiah 52:1, Nahum 1:15, Zech 14:21, Joel 3:17 No unrighteous person will be able to enter into the Lord's kingdom/mountain
    30. Isaiah 56:1-7 only those who keep the Lord's Sabbath holy will be brought into the his Holy Mountain.
    15. Isaiah 11:9-12 at this time the Lord will set his hand the second time to recover the remnant of his people to his Holy mountain-
    21. Joel 2:32 these are those who shall call upon the name of the Lord these are the remnant who the Lord shall call into his mountain-
    22. Micah 4:1-4, Isaiah 2:3-4 those who are among the many nations of the earth shall say to one another let us go up to that Holy mountain-


    There is far to much evidence saying that the Lord calls his people into his holy mountain/kingdom.
     
  16. Dave L

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    But these prophecies are not to be taken literally. They are symbols of the spiritual reality now present.
     
  17. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Brother if you read them it says they are literally happening during the time of the tribulation, to say they are spiritual has no basis in scripture brother. Prove they are simply spiritual, I have proven with strong doctrine that it is physically present, prove each of these verses going verse by verse to be speaking only symbolically.
     
  18. Dave L

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    The Great Tribulation happened in 70 AD. The Jews, not the church, were the victims. Once you prove this to yourself, the rest falls into line.
     
  19. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Okay then, prove that that's when it happened. You can't just provide lip service saying I'm wrong, the Godless and the heathen do that, prove verse by verse I am wrong. If you can't prove every single piece of what I have said wrong then I have no reason to believe you.
     
  20. Dave L

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    Jesus told the disciples when YOU folks see this unfolding, leave the region. And this they did.
     
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