Kavanaugh's Drinking Memory

[rambot]

And that's the thing. These women have admitted they were drinking during the times these alleged encounters took place. Why is Kavanaugh's memory in question and not theirs?

Because you don't tell your husband and therapist about made up stuff more than a decade before it comes out in public

 

[jazzflower92]

Because you don't tell your husband and therapist about made up stuff more than a decade before it comes out in public

You recollect memories about the stuff, and some people who are under the influence might not recall fully.

 

[mark kennedy]

I dont know if this is context but I listened to the testimony. It left me weightless when he didnt respond to questions regarding an FBI investigation. They both seemed very emotional, understandably so. I just dont believe the allegations as much as I would love to see him lose the nomination, I dont believe he deserves to lose it like this.

 

[Go Braves]

You have just as much limited perspective as I do, yet you seem to think you're above us all with your infinite wisdom.

And the rest of what you said is absurd and ridiculous. The accusations are against him. The burden of proof is on her to prove her case, and she didn't. You have zero evidence to assume his guilt in this case. None.

From every other standard, he's an amazing judge, with a respectable history, and perhaps the most qualified judge to have ever been nominated. You have no reason to believe these allegations and not support the man, other than whatever personal animus you're feeling towards Trump and his nomination.

Well Saucy, here's the thing. I fully acknowledge that I'm as ignorant as you are about the truth of the matter. Instead of arrogantly relying upon my own feelings or whatever Fox News has told me to think, I've listened to what folks who do have a clue have said.

The American Bar Association has said that Kavanaugh should be delayed until the FBI has investigated the assault allegations. They wrote:

"The basic principles that underscore the Senate's constitutional duty of advice and consent on federal judicial nominees require nothing less than a careful examination of the accusations and facts by the FBI," said Robert Carlson, president of the organization, in a Thursday night letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein.


"Each appointment to our nation's Highest Court (as with all others) is simply too important to rush to a vote," Carlson wrote. "Deciding to proceed without conducting additional investigation would not only have a lasting impact on the Senate's reputation, but it will also negatively affect the great trust necessary for the American people to have in the Supreme Court."

Kavanaugh's alma mater, the faculty at Yale Law School issued an almost verbatim statement.

Kavanaugh's college roommate at Yale has talked about how he was a belligerent drunk, & how he believes the accusations against him. Ronan Farrow has said that long before Dr. Blasey Ford's allegations went public there were classmates at Yale who were talking about the inappropriate behavior. The FBI needs to investigate. Again, Saucy, if Kavanaugh is innocent, he ought to have insisted on the investigation to clear his name of the allegations. I have no animus towards him. I've written favorably about Neil Gorsuch, Trump's first SCOTUS pick so your theory that Kavanaugh is some little victim of anybody who isn't a Trump [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] kisser is false.

 

[Go Braves]

Former Yale roommate of Brett Kavanaugh backs second accuser

 

[mark kennedy]

Well Saucy, here's the thing. I fully acknowledge that I'm as ignorant as you are about the truth of the matter. Instead of arrogantly relying upon my own feelings or whatever Fox News has told me to think, I've listened to what folks who do have a clue have said.

The American Bar Association has said that Kavanaugh should be delayed until the FBI has investigated the assault allegations. They wrote:


Kavanaugh's alma mater, the faculty at Yale Law School issued an almost verbatim statement.

Kavanaugh's college roommate at Yale has talked about how he was a belligerent drunk, & how he believes the accusations against him. Ronan Farrow has said that long before Dr. Blasey Ford's allegations went public there were classmates at Yale who were talking about the inappropriate behavior. The FBI needs to investigate. Again, Saucy, if Kavanaugh is innocent, he ought to have insisted on the investigation to clear his name of the allegations. I have no animus towards him. I've written favorably about Neil Gorsuch, Trump's first SCOTUS pick so your theory that Kavanaugh is some little victim of anybody who isn't a Trump [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] kisser is false.

I still dont understand why the FBI hasnt fully investigated.

 

[Go Braves]

I still dont understand why the FBI hasnt fully investigated.

They cannot investigate the allegations until asked to. Trump has sat on his thumb & spun around telling fibs about it. If Kavanaugh's innocent, if he's got nothing to hide, the very best way that Trump could stick it to everybody against the nomination is to have the FBI investigate & prove that. The three accusers who've come public so far have all pushed for it. Seems like Kavanaugh would want to clear his name.

 

[Sistrin]

I don't believe him and in my opinion, he has never had to account for his actions while drunk.

What actions does he have to account for?

 

[Sistrin]

If we are going to give "the boys" a pass on just "acting like boys", well then let's remember how boys act. They get blackout drunk.

All of them, every time?

 

[Sistrin]

AAR I might would have found Kavanaugh a bit more believable about things had it not been for that Fox News interview he gave trying to paint himself as this virginal little Catholic school boy who was so devoted to his service projects.

The wicked can never accept the precept someone else may be virtuous.

 

[FireDragon76]

Dr. Ford was drinking too. Is it plausible that she had a clear memory of events while drinking?

She only had one beer, hardly enough to get drunk, whereas her description of Kavanaugh's behavior sounds like he was indeed quite drunk. It's plausible, and likely, he kept drinking even after she left. Perhaps he had no memory of the event, and was less than candid in his diary about his activities that day. From his perspective, it was just another uneventful day he went drinking with friends.

Dr. Ford's own lifelong friend ALSO said she has no memory of the party, nor having ever met Kavenaugh. And Judge's comments are under risk of perjury, as with everyone else who wrote a written statement claiming not to know of this party.

So? She didn't get assaulted. So of course she wouldn't necessarily have a memory of an incident decades ago that was uneventful for her.

The thing that struck me is that Kavanaugh emphasized his Catholic faith. Yet, some of the most self-deluded people I have known of are religious in a conventional manner. So that doesn't enhance his character in light of these accusations.

 

[SkyWriting]

.....apparently was perfect:

MITCHELL: So let’s talk about your time in high school. In high school, after drinking, did you ever wake up in a different location than you remembered passing out or going to sleep?

KAVANAUGH: No, no.

MITCHELL: Did you ever wake up with your clothes in a different condition, or fewer clothes on than you remembered when you went to sleep or passed out?

KAVANAUGH: No, no.

MITCHELL: Did you ever tell — did anyone ever tell you about something that happened in your presence that you didn’t remember during a time that you had been drinking?

KAVANAUGH: No, the — the — we drank beer, and you know, so — so did, I think, the vast majority of — of people our age at the time. But in any event, we drank beer, and — and still do. So whatever, you know. [whatever?]

MITCHELL: During the time in high school when you would be drinking, did anyone ever tell you about something that you did not remember?

KAVANAUGH: No.

I don't believe him and in my opinion, he has never had to account for his actions while drunk.

Kavanaugh hearing: Transcript

He does not remember, not remembering.
That stands to reason.
Nor does he remember others remembering what fails his memory.

Likely he did what he is accused of.
But he is too whiney now for the court position.

 

[Sistrin]

But he is too whiney now for the court position.

If someone accused you on national television of orchestrating multiple gang rapes, how would you feel?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

.....apparently was perfect:

MITCHELL: So let’s talk about your time in high school. In high school, after drinking, did you ever wake up in a different location than you remembered passing out or going to sleep?

KAVANAUGH: No, no.

MITCHELL: Did you ever wake up with your clothes in a different condition, or fewer clothes on than you remembered when you went to sleep or passed out?

KAVANAUGH: No, no.

MITCHELL: Did you ever tell — did anyone ever tell you about something that happened in your presence that you didn’t remember during a time that you had been drinking?

KAVANAUGH: No, the — the — we drank beer, and you know, so — so did, I think, the vast majority of — of people our age at the time. But in any event, we drank beer, and — and still do. So whatever, you know. [whatever?]

MITCHELL: During the time in high school when you would be drinking, did anyone ever tell you about something that you did not remember?

KAVANAUGH: No.

I don't believe him and in my opinion, he has never had to account for his actions while drunk.

Kavanaugh hearing: Transcript

Speaking from experience, I understand where Kavanaugh is coming from as I and my friends also drank heavily as teenagers. But I don't recall anyone getting so drunk that they passed out, although I felt the need to repair to the back seat of my car after one party, where I instantly fell asleep. However I can still recall the events of that party to this day.

The drinking age for beer in my state was 18 at the time, 21 for liquor. As we mostly drank beer kids would get puking sick but not pass out. It was only on those occasions that someone brought hard liquor that some would get 'crazy' drunk, but were in no condition to sexually assault anyone. Interestingly the few girls that partied with us, usually girlfriends, rarely got drunk, and usually left our parties early.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Account for his drinking. He admitted he drank. He admitted there were times he drank a lot. But it obviously didn't impact his life in any way. The Democrats were just trying to paint him as some party frat boy who constantly drank to the point of blacking out and committing sexual assault.

To the point of embarrassment for all (some anyway) watching.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's hardly surprising that the friend wouldn't recall details from a party 36 years back since there wasn't anything memorable that happened to her. Entirely different for Dr. Blasey Ford. That same friend has insisted, adamantly, that she believes her.



What on earth does him regularly working out, playing sports, have to do with whether he did what the three women who've accused him said he did? She has many witnesses to her character too. She was a cheerleader & a swimmer. Friends remember that she'd been a social butterfly then "socially fell off the face of the planet" which lines up with how the victim of a sexual assault would act.

Again, the accusers are the ones who have pushed for the allegations. If Kavanaugh's innocent as he claims, he should not only welcome but DEMAND that they investigate. It's bullcrap that they can't or don't investigate this.

Maybe there's something else, unrelated, that he doesn't want to come to light.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm glad you're glad you continue to make me chuckle. Yes, I am standing with integrity, Saucy. Sorry you cannot see that from your limited perspective.

Do you think the women who've made the allegations against Kavanaugh are innocent until proven guilty of lying? Do you think that standard only applies on one side? In courts of law one is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. Saucy, Kavanugh is essentially applying for a job. One that once he gets he can't just be fired for like you can with other jobs. It's head up the rear end stupid, totally lacking in responsibility, to not investigate the allegations now.

Yeah, we don't want our Supreme Court justices throwing wild beer parties and sexually assaulting women, now do we?

 

[Willie T]

Ford testified today she did not have a drink on the night of the alleged assault.

You want to try that one again? That is not what she said.

 

[Willie T]

Ford testified today she did not have a drink on the night of the alleged assault.

You want to try that one again? That is not what she said.

 

[wing2000]

What actions does he have to account for?

...those for which he harmed another person.