Just a quick question for law proponents.

[someguy14]

Just a quick question for law proponents.

 

[someguy14]

By the way, what is the under law?

The ones breaking the law are under the law.

Abiding in Gods love is abiding in Gods law.

Gods grace is sufficient to abide in Gods love.

Love, is abiding in Gods law and grace.

May God bless.

 

[Nanopants]

That's right.

And once you have Grace, Christ has empowered you and given you the strength to no longer sin.

Don't forget Peter's words about how people wrest Paul's writings to their own destruction, and turn to a "lawless" life as a result.

Some things Paul writes are "hard to be understood...."

one more time....HARD....to be understood.

You want to twist his gospel into a lawless gospel, and that's exactly what Peter said people were guilty of doing.

Take it or leave it!

No, he's not, you just haven't yet realized that a Christian who is not under the law is not lawless.

 

[someguy14]

Romans 3:5-9
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before provedhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/romans/3.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-a both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

The law revealed sin unto all that were under the law and sinning.
Before those sinners knew of the law, they remained in sin. Those that know of the law, right from wrong, and choose to sin, saying, "let us do evil, that good may come", their sin remaineth.

For law exposed sin, and sin took power against that sinner. When that sinner repented and came into the grace of God through Jesus Christ, unto the Father God, that sin was defeated, therefore the law no longer condemns us as we remain in grace through Christ, abiding in God.

Paul is explaining this in Romans by the grace of God.

 

[Lysimachus]

No, he's not, you just haven't yet realized that a Christian who is not under the law is not lawless.

While I technically agree with this statement, I disagree with his interpretation of it. "Under the law" does not mean "not keep the law". Under the law means "guilty of violating it". The law only demands perfect obedience. Those who are under Grace were ones who once violated the law, but repented (turned away from sin--transgression of the law). Now, by Grace through Faith, they are able to obey it, not of themselves, but in Christ. It is Christ in them that is able to do it. You can do nothing of yourself. You are helpless. Our works are like filthy rags, but once we are IN Christ, Christ works in us and strengthens us and gives us the power and victory to "overcome". They are not "our" works, they are Christ works working THROUGH us.

Overcoming sin is the main characteristic of God's end-time church according to Revelation 2 and 3. It mentions the word "overcome" or "overcometh" numerous times. "To him that overcometh....will I grant". Etc. etc. Only those who overcome can inherent the kingdom of heaven.

I just wish you guys would see this truth!!

Where is someone in here who will stand up and say "I SEE IT!" And follow through? And say "I agree, we're in this together! Let's work on our defects of character together, and overcome sin--let's help one another!"

WHERE???

Commandment breakers and those who try to attain the law of righteousness by works (of themselves) = Under the Law

Commandment keepers who attain the law of righteousness by Grace through faith alone (in Christ) = Under Grace

 

[Lindas Place]

While I technically agree with this statement, I disagree with his interpretation of it. "Under the law" does not mean "not keep the law". Under the law means "guilty of violating it". The law only demands perfect obedience. Those who are under Grace were ones who once violated the law, but repented (turned away from sin--transgression of the law). Now, by Grace through Faith, they are able to obey it, not of themselves, but in Christ. It is Christ in them that is able to do it. You can do nothing of yourself. You are helpless. Our works are like filthy rags, but once we are IN Christ, Christ works in us and strengthens us and gives us the power and victory to "overcome". They are not "our" works, they are Christ works working THROUGH us.

Overcoming sin is the main characteristic of God's end-time church according to Revelation 2 and 3. It mentions the word "overcome" or "overcometh" numerous times. "To him that overcometh....will I grant". Etc. etc. Only those who overcome can inherent the kingdom of heaven.

I just wish you guys would see this truth!!

Where is someone in here who will stand up and say "I SEE IT!" And follow through? And say "I agree, we're in this together! Let's work on our defects of character together, and overcome sin--let's help one another!"

WHERE???

Commandment breakers and those who try to attain the law of righteousness by works (of themselves) = Under the Law

Commandment keepers who attain the law of righteousness by Grace through faith alone (in Christ) = Under Grace

Believe Jesus is the Son of God... JESUS overcame the world!!!


1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 16:33
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I (JESUS) have overcome the world."

 

[Lindas Place]

No one overcomes the world by keeping the law... no one except Jesus has kept the law... we overcome the world by believing and receiving the righteousness of CHRIST...

 

[someguy14]

Abiding in God overcomes the world.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's right.

And once you have Grace, Christ has empowered you and given you the strength to no longer sin.

Don't forget Peter's words about how people wrest Paul's writings to their own destruction, and turn to a "lawless" life as a result.

Some things Paul writes are "hard to be understood...."

one more time....HARD....to be understood.

You want to twist his gospel into a lawless gospel, and that's exactly what Peter said people were guilty of doing.

Take it or leave it!

So would that be talking about Believing Christians and Jews?

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

2 Peter 3:15 and the long-suffering of our Lord count ye salvation, according as also our beloved brother Paul--according to the wisdom given to him--did write to you
16 As also in all the letters speaking in them about these-things,in which is difficult-to-understand, whoany which the unlearned and unsteadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rests of Writings toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>
[This form of #684 used in Revelation 17:8]

Reve 17:8 The beast which you perceived was, and not is, and is being about to be ascending out of the abyss, and into destruction/apwleian <684> it is going away.

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

 

[Lindas Place]

Our works are like filthy rags, but once we are IN Christ, Christ works in us and strengthens us and gives us the power and victory to "overcome". They are not "our" works, they are Christ works working THROUGH us.

Yet we are not sinless... God HAS to discipline His children... I agree that Jesus works in us... which is all the more reason to preach the gospel as God commanded us... the law cannot save... the gospel does save... if we really believe that Jesus works in believers we will preach the gospel of grace... not the law... so others can have His amazing grace.

Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Hebrews 12:7-8

 

[Lindas Place]

Abiding in God overcomes the wrold.

Believe Jesus is the Son of God

1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[someguy14]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Jesus doesn't lie. The devil lies.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

God bless.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No one overcomes the world by keeping the law... no one except Jesus has kept the law... we overcome the world by believing and receiving the righteousness of CHRIST...

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

NKJV) John 16:33 "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

NKJV) Revelation 3:21 "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

 

[someguy14]

Believe Jesus is the Son of God

1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Abiding in God is abiding in Love. Love is Gods law that fulfills all of Gods commandments.
Abiding in God is to abide in Gods law, love.
Jesus is the Son of God and the Son abides in the Father.
All that the Son speaketh, is from The Father and The Father is all goodness.
We are all abiding in God, through Christ.
Stealing isn't ever justified, so Gods law remains inside of His believers and endures through a fallen world.
God bless.

 

[Lindas Place]

Abiding in God is abiding in Love. Love is Gods law that fulfills all of Gods commandments.
Abiding in God is to abide in Gods law, love.
Jesus is the Son of God and the Son abides in the Father.
All that the Son speaketh, is from The Father and The Father is all goodness.
We are all abiding in God, through Christ.
Stealing isn't ever justified, so Gods law remains inside of His believers and endures through a fallen world.
God bless.

God is Love...

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 1 John 4: 10-11

My command is this:
Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15: 12

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers,
love one another deeply, from the heart. 1 Peter 1:22

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.1 Peter 4:8

It (Love) is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.1 Corinthians 13: 5

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

And this ismy prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, Philippians 1:9

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Lindas Place No one overcomes the world by keeping the law... no one except Jesus has kept the law... we overcome the world by believing and receiving the righteousness of CHRIST...

Believe Jesus is the Son of God

1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

We are in the world, but not of the world

NKJV) John 8:23 And He said to them, "You are from beneath; I am from above.
You are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said then to ye, 'that ye shall be dying in the sins of ye,' for if-ever no ye should be believing that I am, ye shall be dying in the sins of ye.'
[Deuteronomy 28:13]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7465773/#post54690430
quick question

 

[visionary]

We are in the world, but not of the world

NKJV) John 8:23 And He said to them, "You are from beneath; I am from above.
You are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said then to ye, 'that ye shall be dying in the sins of ye,' for if-ever no ye should be believing that I am, ye shall be dying in the sins of ye.'
[Deuteronomy 28:13]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7465773/#post54690430
quick question

Exactly... the verses you have brought out here, clearly point out that part of the believing is in the redemption process that He out lines that is how sin is dealt with, and if you are not part of the process of being redeemed you wil be dying in your sins.

 

[tzadik]

While I technically agree with this statement, I disagree with his interpretation of it. "Under the law" does not mean "not keep the law". Under the law means "guilty of violating it". The law only demands perfect obedience. Those who are under Grace were ones who once violated the law, but repented (turned away from sin--transgression of the law). Now, by Grace through Faith, they are able to obey it, not of themselves, but in Christ. It is Christ in them that is able to do it. You can do nothing of yourself. You are helpless. Our works are like filthy rags, but once we are IN Christ, Christ works in us and strengthens us and gives us the power and victory to "overcome". They are not "our" works, they are Christ works working THROUGH us.

Overcoming sin is the main characteristic of God's end-time church according to Revelation 2 and 3. It mentions the word "overcome" or "overcometh" numerous times. "To him that overcometh....will I grant". Etc. etc. Only those who overcome can inherent the kingdom of heaven.

I just wish you guys would see this truth!!

Where is someone in here who will stand up and say "I SEE IT!" And follow through? And say "I agree, we're in this together! Let's work on our defects of character together, and overcome sin--let's help one another!"

WHERE???

Commandment breakers and those who try to attain the law of righteousness by works (of themselves) = Under the Law

Commandment keepers who attain the law of righteousness by Grace through faith alone (in Christ) = Under Grace[

Amen!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Exactly... the verses you have brought out here, clearly point out that part of the believing is in the redemption process that He out lines that is how sin is dealt with, and if you are not part of the process of being redeemed you wil be dying in your sins.

I agree vis!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7398409/
What is meaning of Redemption for us in Bible?

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet these-things to be becoming, up-bend! and lift-up! the heads of ye, because is nigh the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye.

Ephes 4:30 and no be ye sorrowing the holy spirit of the God, in which ye were sealed into a day of redemption/apo-lutrwsewV <629>.
[Luke 21:28]

 

[someguy14]

God is Love...

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 1 John 4: 10-11

My command is this:
Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15: 12

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers,
love one another deeply, from the heart. 1 Peter 1:22

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.1 Peter 4:8

It (Love) is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.1 Corinthians 13: 5

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13

Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

And this ismy prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, Philippians 1:9