Question on Gun Control - real life question asking for practical answers.

[Hans Blaster]

Parts of Florida are tough.

Global warming will fix that.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Global warming will fix that.

LOL! is that still a thing?

 

[Valletta]

I think red flag laws are a place to start. We have mandatory reporting laws for when child abuse is suspicioned. How about a reporting mechanism for that weird kid next door who seems obsessed with guns and just doesn't seem quite right? That could trigger an investigation in the same way an abuse report gets CPS knocking on your door.

As I said in the other thread, I am trained and qualified to administer psychological testing and mental status exams. I don't have anything in my bag of tricks to accurately predict perpetrators of violence. Well, maybe the most obviously unhinged, perhaps, but most people just aren't that obvious until they do what they've done.

It sounds like the creation of a huge government bureaucracy. The voters soundly rejected such last election. There are many people who won't register their guns because they believe registration is a thinly veiled attack on their 2nd Amendment rights. Looking to the future it will become easier and easier with 3D printing and the like to make your own gun.

 

[Tuur]

How about a law which states that a registered gun owner will be held legally responsible for every bullet fired from any gun registered in their name, regardless if they pulled the trigger? I believe this law will both respect an individual's constitutional rights and encourage responsible gun ownership.

You already are. "Every bullet fired" is a bit of hyperbole for what has been standard for as long as I can remember, in criminal or civil proceedings. If you purchase a firearm and that firearm is used during the commission of a crime, you've got some legal 'splaining to do, even if you're not the one who committed the crime. If you claim the firearm was stolen and, had sufficient time to report the theft but failed to do so, that doesn't let you off the hook. If you purchase a firearm as a gift to someone who later uses it in a crime, you may or may not be subject to criminal charges, but can still get sued. So yes, it may not be specifically stated "every bullet fired," but it comes down to that.

 

[Tuur]

In my opinion, if a gun owner does not properly secure his weapons and allows them to be stolen, they are not responsible gun owners.

Pretty much common sense, but what is "properly secure?" This is the time of year places like Tractor Supply seems to ramp up selling firearm safes, maybe for Christmas presents (not a joke), and I think we agree that safes are "properly secure" if locked. What, though, of old fashioned gun cabinets. Think china cabinets except for firearm, the better to show off what you own. You can lock them, but there's all that glass. Is that properly secured? Gun racks in the back glass of pickups used to be common. Some of us called that "advertising" and didn't think it was too wise, but if the vehicle is locked, is that properly secure? What about a firearm left in a vehicle where someone forgets to lock the door? Really, what is "properly secure?"

 

[Tuur]

If someone steals your car and kills someone with it, that is not your fault, though if you left the keys in it you might have a civil cuit.

Clyde uses Bonnie's car in a bank robbery. When the police question Bonnie, she claims it was stolen, but she never reported it. Stolen an hour before the robbery? Plausible. Stolen a day or more where Bonnie would have been aware of it? Sounds fishy. Same thing here.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Pretty much common sense, but what is "properly secure?" This is the time of year places like Tractor Supply seems to ramp up selling firearm safes, maybe for Christmas presents (not a joke), and I think we agree that safes are "properly secure" if locked. What, though, of old fashioned gun cabinets. Think china cabinets except for firearm, the better to show off what you own. You can lock them, but there's all that glass. Is that properly secured? Gun racks in the back glass of pickups used to be common. Some of us called that "advertising" and didn't think it was too wise, but if the vehicle is locked, is that properly secure? What about a firearm left in a vehicle where someone forgets to lock the door? Really, what is "properly secure?"

Gun safe is best. But heck, if someone wants to risk spending a long time in jail because their mentally unstable teen uses one of those guns to shoot up a school, that is their choice to be irresponsible and be held accountable.

 

[Richard T]

Clyde uses Bonnie's car in a bank robbery. When the police question Bonnie, she claims it was stolen, but she never reported it. Stolen an hour before the robbery? Plausible. Stolen a day or more where Bonnie would have been aware of it? Sounds fishy. Same thing here.

Sure but if you want to cover the theft of a car, you make up your own timeline. Harder today though as there are cameras everywhere.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Mandatory sentencing is fast and can be done almost immediately.

 

[Hans Blaster]

LOL! is that still a thing?

It sure is in Florida.

 

[Tuur]

It sure is in Florida.

FWIW:

Highest elevation in Florida: 105. 156 meters.
Average annual sea level rise: 3.0 millimeters = 0.003 meters.
Years until the highest point in Florida is inundated: 35, 052.

Average elevation of Florida: 30 meters. Years until seas reach that level: 10,000.

So...it looks like it would take over 100 centuries for the last tough place in Florida to vanish beneath the waves. At which point everyone will likely be worrying about something else.

 

[seeking.IAM]

It sounds like the creation of a huge government bureaucracy. The voters soundly rejected such last election. There are many people who won't register their guns because they believe registration is a thinly veiled attack on their 2nd Amendment rights. Looking to the future it will become easier and easier with 3D printing and the like to make your own gun.

Red flag laws don't depend upon registration and they don't care if a gun was legitimately bought or made with a 3-D printer. If someone is reported to be off the hook and verified to be so, their guns can be confiscated.