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Featured Jesus is returning to reign on earth according to the OT prophets and His disciples

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. claninja

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    Luke 21:20 tells us when the desolation will be near: Rome sieged Jerusalem during Jewish Roman War
    When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near
    Luke 21:32 tells us that it would occur during the disciples generation
    “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened

    I would say this temple sounds like the 2nd temple

    Josephus records
    "And now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple (24) and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator (one who rules himself) (25) with the greatest acclamations of joy"

    Revelation 11:2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

    The Jewish Roman war was 3.5 years long from 66-70AD

    There is no need for future sacrifices
    Hebrews 10:14, 18
    14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
    18And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

    The temple described by Ezekiel had an "if" clause within the context of the old covenant
    Ezekiel 43:11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulationsd and laws.

    Christ did build the temple. Ephesians 1:20-22
     
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  2. BABerean2

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    "Temple" by Robert Cornuke, is a fairly new book that addresses this issue and includes interviews with leading Israeli archeologist Eli Shukron. Eli was the man who rediscovered the Pool of Siloam a few years ago.

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  3. jgr

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    Christ will build a physical temple that the man of sin will physically occupy??? Say it ain't so.

    The temple in 2 Thess. 2:4 is a "naos" spiritual temple. All of Paul's references in his epistles to a temple are to the "naos" spiritual temple, individually within each believer, collectively the Church; within which the man of sin situates himself spiritually.
     
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  4. Marilyn C

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    Hi saint2,

    Thank you, I appreciate you being interested. Here are my comments again with scriptures.

    God the Father has given all judgment to the Son.

    `For God the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.` (John 5: 26 & 27)

    Thus at the beginning of the trib. we see that He has been given the power & authority to then put down all rebellious rule.

    `You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power (force, miraculous power).....` (Rev. 4: 11)
    `Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength (forceful ability)...` (Rev. 5: 12)
    `Blessing and honour and glory and power (dominion) to Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.` (Rev. 5: 13)



    We read that the Lord executes judgments throughout the trib. before He comes back to earth in power & great glory.

    `The LORD (God) shall send the rod of your strength out of Zion. Rule in the midst of your enemies!` (Ps. 110: 2)
    `he must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.` (1 Cor. 15: 25)
    `Then the `angel` took the censer; filled it with fire from the altar. and threw it to earth.....So the 7 angels who had the 7 trumpets prepared themselves to sound.` (Rev. 8: 5 & 6)

    The time for the purification of Israel & judgment upon the nations has come. Note the blowing of the trumpets was a priestly activity and thus we see Christ the High Priest controlling this from the heavenly sanctuary. it was only when Christ portrayed as the angel, threw the fire to the earth that the 7 angels prepared to sound.

    `The first angel sounded: and hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth;.... (Rev. 8: 7)
    `I will give power to my two witnesses,...` (Rev. 11: 3)
    `So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.` (Rev. 12: 9)


    And other scriptures showing that the Lord is executing judgments and controlling events.

    Thus He takes the authority to do all that when God the Father makes Him the visible ruler in the third heaven. All authority (under God the Father) operates from that seat of power and authority. Note the millennial reign is but part of Christ`s supreme authority.

    These are all great topics, and I have just briefly mentioned them. Good to discuss some in detail.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  5. saint2

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    Thanks Marilyn. I still need some help understanding, but each of these topics probably require their own detailed thread, e.g. God making Christ visible ruler in the third heaven??

    Bob..
     
  6. Marilyn C

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    Hi saint2,

    I would love to start a discussion on these topics. I was taught by men who came out of the Welsh revival and their disciples. So it is not something I dreamed up. I went to Bible school here in Australia and later in New Zealand. However, as we know it is up to each of us to search the scriptures especially if it is not something we have looked at before.

    I will go and think which way would be the best to approach the subject you suggested - God making Christ visible ruler in the third heaven.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  7. ebedmelech

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    Read Ephesians 1:18-22 where Paul is telling you plainly Christ is reigning right now and has been since He rose from the dead.

    Furthermore Paul says the same thing in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28.

    Lastly Read what Jesus said of Himself in Matthew 28:18. If you don't think Christ is reigning after those passages there's no helping you.

    Lastly You really didn't get What Daniel was saying in Daniel 2...I hope you'll read that again carefully.

    The only transfer of power to come is when Christ returns the kingdom to God the Father as the 1 Cor 15 passage I gave you says.
     
  8. ebedmelech

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    Quasar...first you need to show Jesus or the disciples teaching a pretrib rapture because the don't...obviously you believe they did or have been taught they did.

    How the church get's to heaven is right there in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

    My qualifications come from 2 Timothy 2:15!
     
  9. Quasar92

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    FYI. you labor under false presumptions the Bible refutes you for. Would you care to explain how the spiritual temple The believers body is can be measured, as the next stone building tribulation temple in Jerusalem is going to be? Review the following Scriptural facts: Rev.11:1-2. The OP is enough to provide all the Scriptural support necessary for everyone to know and understand, the kingdom of Israel will be restored as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6.

    Rev.11:1 "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."


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  10. claninja

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    Not following you. I stated the temple in revelation 11 Was the one the romans trampled from 66-70ad during the Jewish roman war .
     
  11. Quasar92

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    Read Rev.1:3 where Jesus tells us His Revelation is a book of prophecy, not history! Where may I ask did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology, let alone, the Bible?

    The events in Revelation, from Chapter 4 through 22 is all prophecy and has not yet been fulfilled.


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  12. Quasar92

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    The Biblical teachings of the pre-trib rapture of the Church, by Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, as documented in the four post link below:

    Hope this helps.

    The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church in Theology/Prophecy & Revelation Forum Forum


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  13. Quasar92

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    Thanks for the info. I will try to follow up on it when and as time permits me to do so.


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  14. claninja

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    Yes, Revelation was definitely prophecy to John's audience.

    I will ask you a question; answer me, and I will tell you where my qualifications come from. Will Christ be in heaven or on earth until his enemies are made a foot stool?
     
  15. ebedmelech

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    Been there and done that Quasar. it doesn't help because it's out of context in many cases. You see, I use to believe that eschatology. It was through reading the scripture that I rejected it.

    Just go back to the context of Luke 21, which is basically Matthew 24 in less detail. Jesus was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem which happened in 70AD not a rapture. Jesus had told them in Luke 21:32 "this generation shall not pass away until ALL THESE THINGS take place". Christ was speaking of their generation...not some future generation.

    The passages there don't teach a pretrib rapture...it's forced onto those passages. The rapture is concurrent with the resurrection of believers. Just as Paul said believers that have died are resurrected first...then believers that are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
     
  16. Quasar92

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    The Revelation was given to John by Jesus, first of all.

    You didn't answer my question as to where you obtained your qualifications to teach eschtology, let alone the Bible.

    Jesus returns to the earth from heaven in Rev.19:11-21, to fight the battle of Armageddon, against the AntiChrist, the False Prophet and the armies of the ten horns allied to them. Jesus and His armies from heaven will destroy the armies pf the ten horns/nations and throw the Antichrist and the False Prophet into the lake of fire.

    Jesus then reigns on earth, on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16 and Rev.20:6.

    The last enemy is Satan and the huge army he will gather together, at the end of Jesus reign on earth, that God will destroy with fire and sulfur from heaven, and throwing Satan into the lake of fire, recorded in Rev.20:7-10.

    The Scriptures reveal Jesus will be on earth to put His enemies under his feet.


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  17. claninja

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  18. Quasar92

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    I'm afraid not! Jesus Olivet Discourse is prophecy, not history, as recorded in Mt.24; Mk.13; Lk.21 and Rev.6. You did not read my four post link you claim you've "been there, done that." The first of the foir posts consists of the teachings of Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul on the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church.

    The fourth post of the four, is a listings of theologians and expositors from every walk of Christian teachings, who fully endorse the three posts above it.

    Now let me see you refute a single thing about any of itwith Scri0ptural support, or your views are false.

    The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church in Theology/Prophecy & Revelation Forum Forum


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  19. claninja

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    these scriptures appear to disagree.

    Acts 2:34-35 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’

    Hebrews 10:12-13 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.

    Incorrect, it is death.
    1 Corinthians 15:25-26 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
     
  20. claninja

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    From the same place a fisherman and tax collector did.
     
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