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Featured Jesus is returning to reign on earth according to the OT prophets and His disciples

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. Brian Mcnamee

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    hi thanks for giving the reference if you look at the Temple book Bob is open about finding the theory presented much earlier in another book. he took that data tested it and went deeper. At any rate the strongest points he makes are the current sight labeled the temple mount in very likely the Antonio fortress. There is some debate as to where the Temple really stood. I am thinking this one might be 20/20 in hindsight.
     
  2. BABerean2

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    Rev.11:1 "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.



    Rev 11:19  Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail. 

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  3. BABerean2

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    Mat 24:1  Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 
    Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." 
    (This happened in 70 AD.)


    Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" 
    Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.

     

    Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 

    Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

    (The Romans under the command of Cestius Gallus surrounded the city in 66 AD, but then left for some unknown reason. The Jews killed thousands of Roman soldiers during the retreat. The early Christians left the city before the final siege of 70 AD.)
     

    Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

    Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 

    Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
    (This happened in 70 AD.)


    The future Second Coming of Christ is at Luke 21:25-28.

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  4. Quasar92

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    IMO, it won't be much longer and we will know for sure.


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  5. Quasar92

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    Death was put under Jesus feet when He rose from the dead. Sorry, no cigar!


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  6. Quasar92

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    For those of you who try making history out of the prophetic Scriptures not yet fulfilled, and to spiritualize the future temples to be built in Jerusalem from the stone buildings they will be; review the following:

    The difference in the dimensions of the Millennial temple as compared with the two previous ones:

    There is a vast difference between the Temple described by Ezekiel and that of the other Temples. For example, Temple researcher and archeologist Dr. Randall Price highlights the vast grandeur of Ezekiel's Temple compared to the others. " One of the problems for many who seek to interpret Ezekiel's vision of the Temple literally is the problem of the immense size of the building (compared to the sizes of the First and Second Temples). According to Ezekiel's text, the millennial city of Jerusalem and the Temple will together encompass a 2,500 square-mile area. The portion reserved for the priests and Levites is some 50 miles, while the Temple courts will be one mile square. These dimensions are larger than those of the modern State of Israel." (Randall Price, The Temple and Bible Prophecy, p. 531).

    The vast size of the temple has led some to interpret the Temple spiritually since the current physical landscape cannot hold the structures. However, God's work during the Great Tribulation provides ample descriptions of physical changes to the earth and the Temple proper will sit higher than any structure around. That currently is not the case, so the mountains surrounding the temple mount will be split (Zech. 13:4) and the Temple mount will rise (Zech. 14:10]

    Ezekiel's Temple Plus much more!


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  7. claninja

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    so the resurrection of believers has already occurred?
     
  8. Quasar92

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    Scriptures that prove the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ on Earth

    That reveal the heretic teachings of Amillennialism.

    Matthew 19:28--And Jesus said unto them, Truly I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Messieh comes in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Matthew 25:31--When the Messieh shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

    This coming with power and great glory with his angels is well documented (Matthew 24:30-31). And that he sits on an earthly throne after this coming cannot be disproven. Right now, John saw him on a Throne in heaven. He is there as God and reigns as God on that throne. He has never ceased to be God and there has ever been a Kingdom of God in heaven. He said: Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool. But he also said to the Apostles his throne would be upon this earth. He brought this heavenly Kingdom to earth and he will reign here in person as the heir of David's throne in the millennial.

    2Peter 3:8--But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    In verse 7 it appears Apostle Peter had given a prophecy of the very end of the world when it would be destroyed. Then in retrospect of a time before that event he gives us the prophecy of the thousand years and equates it as one day with the Lord. He urges us not to be ignorant of this time frame of a day being equal to a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:4--And I saw thrones, and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God,and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither has received his mark upon their foreheads, or upon their hands; and they lived and reigned with Messieh a thousand years.

    Matthew 25:34--Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come ye blessed of God, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

    1Corinthians 6:9--Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, etc. ect.

    Revelation 21:7--They that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be their God, and they shall be my elect.

    Revelation 5:10--And has made us unto God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 20:6--Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Messieh, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    It is obvious that the 1,000 years follows the resurrection. It is also obvious the 1,000 years is a time when death has no power over the Saints of God. This can only be after the second coming at which time it is said:

    1Corinthians 15:54--So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    It is further obvious that the 1,000 years is after the first physical resurrection of those dead, after death has no power, that the resurrected Saints reign as Priests of God for one thousand years. The sequence must remain intact and in sequential order. The same 1,000 years the devil is bound is the same 1,000 years those who were martyred for not taking the mark of the beast are physically raised in a resurrection and reign with the Lord.

    To say the 1,000 years runs concurrently or parallel with the Church is to say the physical resurrection of those who were martyred is past. The amillennialist have yet to prove there are resurrected martyrs in the world and have been here since their alleged 1,000 began. Such is demanded if the spiritualization of the 1,000 years as the Church age is correct. Are there many thousands of Saints who already have immortality and are deathless, and that they are now as Priest reigning with Messieh upon the earth?

    The present Ministry of the Church are not reigning and are forbidden to be Lord's over God's heritage. They are nor deathless. And the resurrection and immortality have not come yet because Jesus has not returned. To have immortality here now is to say that Jesus has come already. And if he has, what of their end of the world when he comes. Why are we still here? Why has not the world ended? Please read on now as I bring forth more on this important endtime subject

    Source: Amillennialism is a heresy


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  9. Quasar92

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    The subject pertains to the enemies Jesus puts under is feet!

    I'm still waiting for you to answer my question as to where you obtained qualifications to tech eschatology, much less the Bible.


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  10. Quasar92

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    Applying Scripture Literally.

    This is the first key to understanding all scripture. The fundamental issue to settle is the correct rules of interpreting Bible Prophecy. Different prophetic viewpoints mostly come from differing approaches to interpretation. Literal or Plain Interpretation means we must interpret prophecy like all other scripture - in its plain meaning according to the laws of language, as the author intended it and as the original hearers would have understood it. This has far-reaching consequences. Literal interpretation requires us to read any passage in context, so that our understanding of it must fit with what comes before and after it. Moreover since we believe the whole Bible together forms the Word of God, our interpretation must also fit (agree) with the rest of Scripture.

    Opposing the LITERAL approach is an ALLEGORICAL (spiritualising) approach to prophecy, which allows people to change (twist) the obvious meaning of a verse, to fit their preconceived ideas. The literal approach is to take all scripture in its plain meaning, unless it does not make sense and is obviously meant to be interpreted symbolically. However, the other approach often rejects the literal meaning of a scripture and tries to replace it by a ‘spiritual’ interpretation, even when its plain meaning makes perfect sense. Literal interpretation does not mean we cannot see spiritual parallels to the literal fulfilment or make spiritual applications of it, but first of all, it upholds the literal fulfilment of the prophecy.

    Now prophetic literature (like the Book of Revelation) contains much language that is obviously symbolic and pictorial, to help us understand and visualise unfamiliar spiritual realities by comparing them to familiar things around us. Literal interpretation means we interpret obvious symbolic language accordingly.

    Three examples to test if you read prophecy literally:

    (1) Isaiah 11:6-9: ‘the wolf will lie down with the lamb’. The transformation of the animal kingdom or harmony of all kinds of people in the Church?

    (2) Revelation 7:1-8: Will there literally be 144,000 evangelists from Israel, 12,000 from each tribe, or is this a symbolic of the Church?

    (3) Revelation 20:1-7 Will there be a literal 1,000 years as described here,or is it simply symbolic of a long time-period?

    We can still bring forth spiritual types, analogies and allegories from a literal understanding as long as we don't deny their primary and plain meaning. In fact, it is essential to grasp their plain meaning before making spiritual application from them. Moreover we can apply to the Church, God’s promises to Israel concerning the New Covenant (see Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:7-13), because although the New Covenant belongs first of all to Israel, we have been baptised into Christ (Abraham’s seed), and thus we qualify to participate fully in the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant.

    The main reason that there are so many views and interpretations on Bible prophecy causing much confusion, is the failure to take the Bible literally in this area. (While there are, of course, differences among those who take it literally, these are relatively minor). The ultimate root of this failure to believe the prophetic scriptures according to their plain meaning is of course unbelief.

    We are further encouraged to interpret Prophecy plainly because:
    1. Bible Believers use literal interpretation to interpret all other areas of scripture doctrine. But many spiritualise prophecy. Why should prophecy be the exception? This leads to inconsistencies. For example some prophecies to Israel (the negative ones) are taken literally, while the positive ones are spiritualised and applied to the Church.

    2. Without literal interpretation, there is no way to know the real meaning and no control over how to interpret scripture. It leaves the door open for wild uncontrolled interpretation. It means that we are free to supply whatever meaning we want. Literal interpretation is the only way to be in submission to God's Word (spiritualising allows us to make it mean whatever we want). Otherwise we are in danger of tampering with the word of God which can have serious consequences as Revelation 22:18,19 warns us strongly. We are not to add to it meanings that are not there, or take away from what it is saying, but simply to discover what it is saying in plain language and submit to it.

    3. Some 20% of Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled. HOW? Literally (e.g Jesus was born in literal Bethlehem - Micah 5:2). Will not the rest be fulfilled likewise?

    4. If prophecy is not fulfilled literally how will you know if it has been fulfilled or not? If someone predicts you will get a job in Nottingham next month but you instead you get a job in Oxford, is the prophecy fulfilled? What would you say to someone who says ‘it is fulfilled, for Oxford is spiritual Nottingham’? Or what if a prophecy said you would get a million pounds tomorrow, but nothing arrived and then you were told the prophecy really meant that you would just feel like a million pounds! Would you consider it fulfilled?

    5. If prophecy to Israel is not fulfilled literally to Israel, then God is a deceiver. What if God has made promises to you, only to be told later: ‘I did not mean you, Tom, I was giving the promise to someone else - ‘spiritual Tom’! If God is not faithful to His promises to Israel but breaks His Word to them, then we could have no assurance that He will be faithful to His promises to us!

    6. The reward of reading prophecy literally means the Bible comes alive. It makes sense and it all fits together as a masterpiece, as I hope to show. Much truth is lost in denying the obvious meaning. In previous times it was harder to believe that prophecy would be fulfilled literally. The idea of Israel coming back to the land and of various events of the Book of Revelation taking place may have seemed impossible. But today, as we see the world change scientifically and politically it seems to be right up to date. Now, Bible- believers have no excuse not to believe that it will all be literally fulfilled.

    7. Jesus understood and interpreted prophecy literally (compare Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15). Moreover, as we have already pointed out, His final words of warning (Rev 22:18-20) require us to interpret prophecy in its plain meaning.

    8. The national rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948, against all odds,
    in fulfilment of Bible Prophecy, is a sure proof that God is fulfillling prophecy literally. When certain courageous believers in the 19th Century pointed out
    that Israel must be restored to her land they they laughed at by those who did not take prophecy literally, because it seemed so impossible. How could a nation be reborn after 2000 years? Such a thing had never been heard of.Yet through the fires of the Holocaust Israel came to birth just as the Bible said it would, and it took its place as the major sign that we are now in the end-times.


    For the full article: http://www.oxfordbiblechurch.co.uk/p...ex/literal.php


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  11. Quasar92

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    Please tell me what Bible Colleges are teaching Preterism today, as that which you have certified in the above post?


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  12. Brian Mcnamee

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    I am not sure I get the bold type print as the temple of God shows up twice and the 2nd time it is a distinction that it is the temple in heaven. The 1st reference of the temple of God is clearly associated with the rise of the two witnesses and there is death and fire being called down from heaven so this is not the temple in heaven but the temple that will be constructed and where the anti christ will commit the abomination of desolation.
     
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    great article Oxford is spiritual nottingham LOL.
    I ad that that law of the prophets in Duet were the prophet had to be 100% accurate or he is a false prophet which was punishable by stoning to death. Peter says no prophecy is of any private interpretation so I list what was said and if it has nave happened cut and paste is like jigsaw puzzle pieces and set them aside. When you look at the sum total of unfulfilled prophecy a timeline of events leading to a 7 year tribulation, with the mark of the beast, the two witnesses, global government, the abomination of desolation, plagues then ARmegeddon and the 2nd coming followed by a setting up of the kingdom on earth with Jesus reigning from Jerusalem is what you come up with. This point of view the literal reading of the texts and stands even if you leave the rapture out of it.
     
  14. claninja

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    the subject in the context of the passage is the ressurection of the dead, with Christ being the first fruit and then at his coming, those who belong to him. Between Christ's resurrection and his coming, he must reign in heaven at the right hand of God until ALL his enemies are put under his feet, with the last being death. Paul literally said the last enemy is death. You say it is Satan, based on your assessment of revelation. I'm going to have to go with Paul on this one.



    I already did

     
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    Additionally, you helped answer the question, when Christ comes back, and the dead are resurrected, death will have been fully defeated
    1 Corinthians 15:52-55 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
     
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    The Book of Revelation is a Book of symbols.
    We know automatically that "the Lamb" is always Christ and "the dragon" is always Satan.


    The text of Revelation 11 says the witnesses are the olive trees and candlesticks.

    Rev 11:4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 

    We know these cannot be two men made of wood and metal.

    Jesus tells us who the candlesticks are in the Book of Revelation.

    Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. 


    Paul tells us who the two olive trees are in Romans 11.


    Rom 11:24  For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 


    If you want to see one of the witnesses, then look in the mirror.

    Judge the following based on scripture, instead of man-made tradition.

    The following comes from Pastor Carl Gallups, who is pastor of Hickory Hammock Baptist Church.




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    Marilyn, I think any thread you initiate will be very informative.
    I liked the way you hosted the thread about Jesus' army at Armageddon.
     
  18. Marilyn C

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    Thank you saint2,

    That is very encouraging of you. I have now started the thread and called it the title that you gave. Hope to see you there.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  19. Brian Mcnamee

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    You are missing the most obvious interpretation of the two olive trees given in Zech 4
    11 Then I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees—at the right of the lampstand and at its left?” 12 And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?”
    13 Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?
    And I said, “No, my lord.”
    14 So he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth.”

    Jesus was transfigured on the mountain and two guys showed up named Moses and Elijah The miracles performed ascribed to the two witnesses are the same types of miracles performed by Moses and Elijah.
    Candlesticks made of wood and metal cannot be killed and raised after 3 days either.

    So I have made my view not based on a man made tradition but by scriptures, Zechariah 4 makes more sense than what you have suggested.
     
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    Moses died and was buried.

    You are also ignoring the words of Jesus in Revelation 1:20.


    All wrong systems of Bible interpretation are not exposed by the scripture quoted by its proponents, but rather by the scripture they must ignore to make it work.

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