Israel-Hamas Thread II

[DaisyDay]

Here is one very brave lady - a muslim - telling the truth about Gaza and Hamas.

Prager U? No.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Israeli military says it mistakenly killed 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza​

The soldiers mistakenly identified the three Israelis as a threat and opened fire on them, said the army’s chief spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari.

Who made them captive and exposed them to the danger of war ?

 

[JosephZ]

Here is one very brave lady - a muslim - telling the truth about Gaza and Hamas.

I stopped watching at the 12 minute mark. Her account of what happened to the greenhouses in Gaza is incorrect. The true story can be found in this post I made earlier.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Prager U? No.

I am guessing you didnt listen to the Arab Muslim lady... Sad.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I stopped watching at the 12 minute mark. Her account of what happened to the greenhouses in Gaza is incorrect. The true story can be found in this post I made earlier.

Well she lived through it at close range and you didn't...

 

[JosephZ]

Well she lived through it at close range and you didn't...

She didn't live inside Gaza, and it's well documented as to what happened to the greenhouses. You can customize a Google search for 2005–06 and find many news reports about them if you want.

 

[Nithavela]

Israeli military says it mistakenly killed 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza​

The soldiers mistakenly identified the three Israelis as a threat and opened fire on them, said the army’s chief spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari.

Not a good look at all.

Who made them captive and exposed them to the danger of war ?

Still speaks of a lack of care by the IDF (which is of course investigating its own crimes, as all institutions of violence do).

 

[Bradskii]

True, the difference being that the article I posted in this News and Current Events forum was from the same day I posted, not several years prior.

Oh no! You say good-bye, I say hello. Hello, hello.

Or alternatively...

I'm a sucker for a good soprano. And those eyes...

Now back to the conflict.

 

[Carl Emerson]

She didn't live inside Gaza, and it's well documented as to what happened to the greenhouses. You can customize a Google search for 2005–06 and find many news reports about them if you want.

An Arab bedouin on the ground has more cadence than some Googlegod search but there we are - in this age of opinion saturation folks choose what they believe, and the war for truth continues.

Some readers here will find her testimony very helpful.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not a good look at all.


Still speaks of a lack of care by the IDF (which is of course investigating its own crimes, as all institutions of violence do).

Are you denying any culpability on the part of Hamas ???

 

[JosephZ]

An Arab bedouin on the ground has more cadence than some Googlegod search but there we are - in this age of opinion saturation folks choose what they believe, and the war for truth continues.

Here's how things were being reported in 2005 and 2006 by the New York Times, Jerusalem Post, BBC and Al Jazeera:

Initially, half of the greenhouses were demolished by Israeli settlers and some of those that remained were looted by Palestinians.

About half the greenhouses in the Israeli settlements in Gaza have already been dismantled by their owners, who have given up waiting to see if the government was going to come up with extra payment as an inducement to leave them behind, say senior officials working on the coordination of this summer's Israeli pullout from Gaza.

Of the roughly 1,000 acres of agricultural land that were under greenhouses in the 21 Israeli settlements in Gaza, only 500 acres remain -- creating significant doubts that the greenhouses could be handed over to the Palestinians as "a living business," the goal cited by the Israeli coordinator of the pullout, Eival Giladi.

Israeli Settlers Demolish Greenhouses and Gaza Jobs (Published 2005)

Israeli settlers in Gaza reportedly have dismantled about half of their greenhouses, giving up waiting for government to announce compensation for leaving them behind to provide jobs for Palestinians; photo; envoy James Wolfensohn presses Israeli officials to resolve issue, as difficult...

www.nytimes.com

A recent spate of looting of greenhouses in the Gaza Strip has caused more than $1 million of damage to a farming project set up to provide jobs for thousands of Palestinians, officials said.

The theft of entire greenhouses and their equipment has put out of action about 70 acres of the roughly 1000 acres left by Jewish settlers as the basis of a Palestinian agriculture industry when Israel withdrew from Gaza last September.

Looters steal Gaza greenhouses

A recent spate of looting of greenhouses in the Gaza Strip has caused more than $1 million of damage to a farming project set up to provide jobs for thousands of Palestinians, officials said.

www.aljazeera.com

Despite the Israeli settlers demolishing half the greenhouses and the Gazans causing a million dollars in damage to the remaining greenhouses, there was reinvestment in the project and a successful harvest.


Less than three months after the Israelis departed, Palestinians have repaired scores of greenhouses left by the settlers and planted a fall crop, and they are preparing to harvest an estimated $20 million worth of strawberries, cherry tomatoes, sweet peppers and herbs and spices. The produce is intended mostly for export to Europe, but some will also be headed to Israel, Arab countries and the United States.

After overcoming numerous obstacles, the Palestinians said their main worry now was the Karni border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel, critical to moving the produce to the markets.

Strawberries, for example, are the Palestinians' most valuable export, but they should be refrigerated until they reach the market. A few hours in the heat and dust at Karni can ruin them.

Gaza Gets Ready for a Harvest of Produce and Promise (Published 2005)

Palestinians will begin harvesting estimated $20 million worth of produce grown in greenhouses left behind by settlers in Gaza; most of crop is intended for export, with Palestinians using same Israeli export companies that Gaza settlers used; biggest concern is Karni border crossing between...

www.nytimes.com

As part of an agreement on border crossings brokered last month by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Israel pledged to allow the passage of all agricultural produce from Gaza this season and to raise the flow of export traffic in general to at least 150 trucks by the end of the year, and at least 400 a day by the end of 2006.

Palestinians export first crop from ex-Gush Katif greenhouses | The Jerusalem Post

Basil Jaber: We have proven that we, as Palestinians, are able to manage our lives, to farm our land and to do our own business.

www.jpost.com

It was Israel's frequent closing of the border that resulted in the failure of the greenhouses.



In this poverty-stricken place, farmers are being forced to throw away tons and tons of produce that ought to be fetching high prices in the supermarkets of Europe.

The problem is that the Israelis have blocked Gaza's export route.

"We have buyers around the world," says Bassil Jabir, who heads a major, greenhouse-based market garden venture.

"Everyone is interested in buying our produce.

"But we can't get it out of Gaza. On a daily basis we are losing $120,000."

When the Israelis withdrew from Gaza last summer the Palestinians inherited dozens and dozens of vast greenhouses - built in the settlements during decades of occupation.

In a rare gesture of goodwill, wealthy Jewish American philanthropists paid the departing settlers around $14m (£8m) to leave the hothouses standing.

Mr Jabir's firm poured another $20m into the venture, and suddenly Gaza had a potentially rich industry on its hands.

But the border closures and export problems have pushed the whole project to the brink of collapse.

Mr Jabir says the troubles that his high profile project has endured send the worst possible signal for Gaza.

"This is a message to every investor: 'Don't come - there's no hope of any investment flourishing.'"

BBC NEWS | Business | Gaza farmers dumping their crops

If you do a search, you will find Reuters, the Associated Press, NBC, ABC, CBS, and the Guardian all have similar stories to the ones above.

Do you believe all of these news organizations were sharing "fake news" about the greenhouses 17 years ago?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Here's how things were being reported in 2005 and 2006 by the New York Times, Jerusalem Post, BBC and Al Jazeera:

Initially, half of the greenhouses were demolished by Israeli settlers and some of those that remained were looted by Palestinians.

About half the greenhouses in the Israeli settlements in Gaza have already been dismantled by their owners, who have given up waiting to see if the government was going to come up with extra payment as an inducement to leave them behind, say senior officials working on the coordination of this summer's Israeli pullout from Gaza.

Of the roughly 1,000 acres of agricultural land that were under greenhouses in the 21 Israeli settlements in Gaza, only 500 acres remain -- creating significant doubts that the greenhouses could be handed over to the Palestinians as "a living business," the goal cited by the Israeli coordinator of the pullout, Eival Giladi.

Israeli Settlers Demolish Greenhouses and Gaza Jobs (Published 2005)

Israeli settlers in Gaza reportedly have dismantled about half of their greenhouses, giving up waiting for government to announce compensation for leaving them behind to provide jobs for Palestinians; photo; envoy James Wolfensohn presses Israeli officials to resolve issue, as difficult...

www.nytimes.com

A recent spate of looting of greenhouses in the Gaza Strip has caused more than $1 million of damage to a farming project set up to provide jobs for thousands of Palestinians, officials said.

The theft of entire greenhouses and their equipment has put out of action about 70 acres of the roughly 1000 acres left by Jewish settlers as the basis of a Palestinian agriculture industry when Israel withdrew from Gaza last September.

Looters steal Gaza greenhouses

A recent spate of looting of greenhouses in the Gaza Strip has caused more than $1 million of damage to a farming project set up to provide jobs for thousands of Palestinians, officials said.

www.aljazeera.com

Despite the Israeli settlers demolishing half the greenhouses and the Gazans causing a million dollars in damage to the remaining greenhouses, there was reinvestment in the project and a successful harvest.


Less than three months after the Israelis departed, Palestinians have repaired scores of greenhouses left by the settlers and planted a fall crop, and they are preparing to harvest an estimated $20 million worth of strawberries, cherry tomatoes, sweet peppers and herbs and spices. The produce is intended mostly for export to Europe, but some will also be headed to Israel, Arab countries and the United States.

After overcoming numerous obstacles, the Palestinians said their main worry now was the Karni border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Israel, critical to moving the produce to the markets.

Strawberries, for example, are the Palestinians' most valuable export, but they should be refrigerated until they reach the market. A few hours in the heat and dust at Karni can ruin them.

Gaza Gets Ready for a Harvest of Produce and Promise (Published 2005)

Palestinians will begin harvesting estimated $20 million worth of produce grown in greenhouses left behind by settlers in Gaza; most of crop is intended for export, with Palestinians using same Israeli export companies that Gaza settlers used; biggest concern is Karni border crossing between...

www.nytimes.com

As part of an agreement on border crossings brokered last month by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Israel pledged to allow the passage of all agricultural produce from Gaza this season and to raise the flow of export traffic in general to at least 150 trucks by the end of the year, and at least 400 a day by the end of 2006.

Palestinians export first crop from ex-Gush Katif greenhouses | The Jerusalem Post

Basil Jaber: We have proven that we, as Palestinians, are able to manage our lives, to farm our land and to do our own business.

www.jpost.com

It was Israel's frequent closing of the border that resulted in the failure of the greenhouses.



In this poverty-stricken place, farmers are being forced to throw away tons and tons of produce that ought to be fetching high prices in the supermarkets of Europe.

The problem is that the Israelis have blocked Gaza's export route.

"We have buyers around the world," says Bassil Jabir, who heads a major, greenhouse-based market garden venture.

"Everyone is interested in buying our produce.

"But we can't get it out of Gaza. On a daily basis we are losing $120,000."

When the Israelis withdrew from Gaza last summer the Palestinians inherited dozens and dozens of vast greenhouses - built in the settlements during decades of occupation.

In a rare gesture of goodwill, wealthy Jewish American philanthropists paid the departing settlers around $14m (£8m) to leave the hothouses standing.

Mr Jabir's firm poured another $20m into the venture, and suddenly Gaza had a potentially rich industry on its hands.

But the border closures and export problems have pushed the whole project to the brink of collapse.

Mr Jabir says the troubles that his high profile project has endured send the worst possible signal for Gaza.

"This is a message to every investor: 'Don't come - there's no hope of any investment flourishing.'"

BBC NEWS | Business | Gaza farmers dumping their crops

If you do a search, you will find Reuters, the Associated Press, NBC, ABC, CBS, and the Guardian all have similar stories to the ones above.

Do you believe all of these news organizations were sharing "fake news" about the greenhouses 17 years ago?

Are you claiming the lady was lying ?

Such is the nature of the battle for truth.

I guess to maintain your mindset you had to find sufficient detail to mount an objection and put the readers off.

For those who didn't fall for this - the lady is well worth listening to.

 

[Pommer]

Are you claiming the lady was lying ?

Such is the nature of the battle for truth.

I guess to maintain your mindset you had to find sufficient detail to mount an objection and put the readers off.

For those who didn't fall for this - the lady is well worth listening to.

I ain’t watching the video from PragerU, what is the gist of it?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I ain’t watching the video from PragerU, what is the gist of it?

Sound's like you are not among the intended audience.

 

[JosephZ]

Are you claiming the lady was lying ?

Such is the nature of the battle for truth.

I guess to maintain your mindset you had to find sufficient detail to mount an objection and put the readers off.

For those who didn't fall for this - the lady is well worth listening to.

Her father was a lieutenant colonel in the IDF and she's giving an interview on a right-wing propaganda program. She clearly has an agenda.

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[Carl Emerson]

Her father was a lieutenant colonel in the IDF and she's giving an interview on a right-wing propaganda program. She clearly has an agenda.

And you clearly have a bias.

 

[Bradskii]

And you clearly have a bias.

An unfair prejudice? Surely not. You must agree that the interviewer and the interviewee are not presenting an entirely balanced viewpoint. That's not uncommon. But one has to allow for it. Didn't you?

 

[Carl Emerson]

An unfair prejudice? Surely not. You must agree that the interviewer and the interviewee are not presenting an entirely balanced viewpoint. That's not uncommon. But one has to allow for it. Didn't you?

So the truth is always perfect balance ???

Don't think so...

 

[Bradskii]

So the truth is always perfect balance ???

Don't think so...

Of course it isn't. That's why I asked you if you were allowing for that fact when you linked to the video.

 

[Vanellus]

Sorry, I assumed you could read.

Do you know the first casualty of every war?

You did not cite in your post the very relevant date of the article you were referencing. Do you know the ten commandments?