Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Valletta]

Cruz said "Since day 1 Biden administration officials have been pathologically obsessed with undermining Israel. Unfortunately and infuriatingly, that obsession continues in the aftermath of Hamas's atrocities on October 7. The costs for America and Israel's national security are catastrophic."

Sen Ted Cruz calls out VP Kamala Harris for Palestinian sympathy push: 'Undermining Israel'

Sen. Ted Cruz called out Vice President Kamala Harris after a report claimed she's pushing people in the Biden administration to be more sympathetic towards Palestinians and show more concern for the damage in Gaza.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Bradskii]

Cruz said "Since day 1 Biden administration officials have been pathologically obsessed with undermining Israel.

Yet the US being one of the countries that refused to back a cease fire. Cruz should keep up to date with what's happening. He looks foolish saying ridiculous things like this. It looks like he's using this tragedy for political ends. He's a waste of space.

 

[RDKirk]

Cruz said "Since day 1 Biden administration officials have been pathologically obsessed with undermining Israel. Unfortunately and infuriatingly, that obsession continues in the aftermath of Hamas's atrocities on October 7. The costs for America and Israel's national security are catastrophic."

Sen Ted Cruz calls out VP Kamala Harris for Palestinian sympathy push: 'Undermining Israel'

Sen. Ted Cruz called out Vice President Kamala Harris after a report claimed she's pushing people in the Biden administration to be more sympathetic towards Palestinians and show more concern for the damage in Gaza.

www.yahoo.com

I think the Biden administration is beset by Dissociative Identity Disorder. There is certainly a bunch of new heads in the administration sharing the same anti-Semitism we see rolling out of the college campuses. There is another set of old heads, probably mostly DoD and State Department, who are dragging their heels on throwing out 75 years of a consistent international political stance.

 

[o_mlly]

The intent was crystal clear.

I should make a citizen's arrest for practicing mind-reading without a license but defender @DaisyDay would claim innocent by reason of extreme emotions.

 

[o_mlly]

I'm certain that you at least know the difference ...

The painful lesson of thinking one can read minds and be ruled by their feelings: "One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid ..."

 

[civilwarbuff]

Loved it. That's great.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Calling for a ceasefire with Hamas is like calling for a ceasefire with Japan on Dec 8, 1941.

 

[civilwarbuff]

A brief rundown of the origin of hamas

A more extensive explanation of the 1988 & 2017 hamas charters

1988 Hamas charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2017 Hamas charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[wing2000]

National Security Adviso Jake Sullivan met with Israli officials Thursday...

The United States agrees with Israel that the war against Hamas “is going to take months,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Friday in Tel Aviv, adding that he had discussed with Israeli leaders plans to transition from the “high intensity phase” of Israel’s offensive to “more targeted operations.” Sullivan did not specify a timeline for the transition, but said that while Israel had the intention of reducing civilian casualties, “we want to see the results match up to that.”

https://wapo.st/47WlzYV

 

[essentialsaltes]

interesting details and perspective​

Christians living at the Lebanon border see Israel-Hamas war igniting hostilities with Hezbollah​

Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza Strip, hostilities have spread north to these hills, where Lebanon-based Hezbollah fighters have launched hundreds of missiles toward Israeli border communities, and Israeli forces have shelled targets to the north.

“This is happening every day,” said Shadi Khaloul, a Christian Aramaean activist, as he stands in a pastoral orchard in the northern Israeli town of Jish.

Aramaeans are a community of native Christians who trace their lineage to the time of Jesus. Khaloul has been instrumental in reviving spoken Aramaic, believed to be the language of Jesus and one used in portions of the Bible.

For Maryam Younnes, the conflict is wrenchingly personal.

She was born in a small, rural Lebanese village called Debel. Her father was a commander in the Christian-dominated militia South Lebanon Army, which cooperated with the Israeli army during Israel’s 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon.

Many in Lebanon viewed members of the SLA as traitors and collaborators... When Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, the SLA collapsed and many members and their relatives fled to Israel.

In Israel, the Aramaean Christian minority is concentrated in the north, in isolated, rural communities that often do not have adequate shelters from rocket fire. About 3,000 South Lebanon Army soldiers and their families live in Israel, many of whom are Aramaean Christians as well.

“The fact that my family is on the other side of the border, it’s not easy, because I know that they will get hurt if a broader war will happen,” Younnes said. “The southern Lebanese never wanted this war .... And then when the war is over, we are the ones who pay the price.”

Younnes said the villagers in southern Lebanon — many of whom are Christians — have little choice when Hezbollah militants set up military infrastructure, including rocket launchers, on their property, which puts them at risk for retaliation from Israel.

Hezbollah “is just one mile from our homes, maybe two miles from our homes,” Khaloul said. “We don’t need another Oct. 7 to happen here.”

 

[RDKirk]

interesting details and perspective​

Christians living at the Lebanon border see Israel-Hamas war igniting hostilities with Hezbollah​

Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza Strip, hostilities have spread north to these hills, where Lebanon-based Hezbollah fighters have launched hundreds of missiles toward Israeli border communities, and Israeli forces have shelled targets to the north.

“This is happening every day,” said Shadi Khaloul, a Christian Aramaean activist, as he stands in a pastoral orchard in the northern Israeli town of Jish.

Aramaeans are a community of native Christians who trace their lineage to the time of Jesus. Khaloul has been instrumental in reviving spoken Aramaic, believed to be the language of Jesus and one used in portions of the Bible.

For Maryam Younnes, the conflict is wrenchingly personal.

She was born in a small, rural Lebanese village called Debel. Her father was a commander in the Christian-dominated militia South Lebanon Army, which cooperated with the Israeli army during Israel’s 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon.

Many in Lebanon viewed members of the SLA as traitors and collaborators... When Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, the SLA collapsed and many members and their relatives fled to Israel.

In Israel, the Aramaean Christian minority is concentrated in the north, in isolated, rural communities that often do not have adequate shelters from rocket fire. About 3,000 South Lebanon Army soldiers and their families live in Israel, many of whom are Aramaean Christians as well.

“The fact that my family is on the other side of the border, it’s not easy, because I know that they will get hurt if a broader war will happen,” Younnes said. “The southern Lebanese never wanted this war .... And then when the war is over, we are the ones who pay the price.”

Younnes said the villagers in southern Lebanon — many of whom are Christians — have little choice when Hezbollah militants set up military infrastructure, including rocket launchers, on their property, which puts them at risk for retaliation from Israel.

Hezbollah “is just one mile from our homes, maybe two miles from our homes,” Khaloul said. “We don’t need another Oct. 7 to happen here.”

As I said from the beginning, both sides are hostile to Christians, so Christians need not die on the hill of supporting either, as far as the Gospel is concerned.

 

[Vanellus]

The objectivity of Euro-Med is questionable. However, if their reports are investigated and shown to be true then those Israeli soldiers should be prosecuted for war crimes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-calls-for-resignation-of-uns-richard-falk/

Richard Falk is one of those New York Jews which Nixon apparently despised. The date of the article (a little factoid o_mlly omitted) was 9 June 2013 and followed Falk's report on conditions for West Bank Palestinians detained in Israeli prisons and conditions then in Gaza.

The report criticized the use of arbitrary detention, torture, and coerced confessions and stated, "the treatment of thousands of Palestinians detained or imprisoned by Israel continues to be extremely worrisome." Falk said that Israel held 5,000 Palestinians in custody and had imprisoned 750,000 since the start of the occupation. Falk also criticized and called for an end to Israel's blockade of Gaza by saying that it amounted to the "collective punishment of 1.75 million Palestinians." He argued that viability of Gaza was at stake: "With 70 percent of the population dependent on international aid for survival and 90 percent of the water unfit for human consumption, drastic and urgent changes are urgently required if Palestinians in Gaza are to have their most basic rights protected.

One can see what the US government does if anyone dares to tell the truth about Israel. Data behind these assertions can be found in this website of a Jewish human rights organisation:
https://www.btselem.org/

Many here seem to assume that the IDF and Israeli politicians should be believed implicitly but Palestinians, journalists or humanitarian support workers in Gaza or the West Bank are automatically assumed to be lying. But there is no real sanction if IDF spokespeople report untruths and there have been quite a few.

We don't hear so much about the 40 beheaded babies these days - the Jewish newspaper Haaretz has reported that only one baby is known to have been killed by Hamas. One is one too many but have you wondered how and why that false story was first put out? First there were 1400 Israelis killed then 1200. Are we now 100% confident about the 1200 figure? The Israeli ambassador has alleged there is a "terror city" under Gaza city. Have we seen it yet? And what happened to the huge Hamas command complex under al Shifa hospital? Did they pack it up and carry it on donkeys to South Gaza which was supposed to be safe?

This article names individual Jewish witnesses of October 7 who stated that some of the Israeli civilian casualties were a result of actions by the IDF
Report: 7 October testimonies strike major blow to Israeli narrative

The supposed chemical weapons manual shown by the Israeli president was really a biography of one of the 9/11 bombers:
'Chemical weapons manual' shown by Israeli president is biography of a bomber

There was a video shown on al Jazeera where the bodies at the school were partly blurred out but I have to assume that they show wounds consistent of being shot at close range. But given that the IDF's indiscriminate bombing has caused close to 20,000 deaths and consequent injuries, and disease will kill many more, why can this murder of 15 or so people be so unexpected of the IDF?

 

[o_mlly]

The date of the article (a little factoid o_mlly omitted) ..

Sorry, I assumed you could read.

Do you know the first casualty of every war?

 

[DaisyDay]

Sorry, I assumed you could read.

He managed to read the date you omitted of the article, so your assumption is correct.

Do you know the first casualty of every war?

Something to do with the story of the 40 beheaded babies...

 

[o_mlly]

He managed to read the date you omitted of the article, so your assumption is correct.

Good for him.

Perspective - When war goes underground: Understanding Hamas's tunnel network

An author whose book has become a reference for those trying to understand Hamas's tunnel network and its impact on the current war has told FRANCE 24 that Israel must eventually enter them to ensure…

www.france24.com

An author whose book has become a reference... ​

Hmmm. You omitted the date on the article. I think it's "Time to say goodbye" (again).

 

[o_mlly]

Something to do with the story of the 40 beheaded babies...

Would you like some more Kool-Aid?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Here is one very brave lady - a muslim - telling the truth about Gaza and Hamas.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Leaked audio of heated meeting reveals hostages’ fury at Netanyahu​

According to the ynet account of the meeting, one man related what family members had told him after being freed. “They were under constant threat from the IDF shelling. You sat in front of us and assured us that it does not threaten their lives. They also roam the street and [are] not only in the tunnels. They are mounted on donkeys and carts. You will not be able to recognize them on the street and you are endangering their lives."

Israeli military says it mistakenly killed 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza​

The soldiers mistakenly identified the three Israelis as a threat and opened fire on them, said the army’s chief spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari.

 

[DaisyDay]

Good for him.
Hmmm. You omitted the date on the article. I think it's "Time to say goodbye" (again).

True, the difference being that the article I posted in this News and Current Events forum was from the same day I posted, not several years prior.

Oh no! You say good-bye, I say hello. Hello, hello.

 

[DaisyDay]

Would you like some more Kool-Aid?

You've already tried to serve me plenty. You should stop drinking that yourself.