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Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

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Lion King

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All Christians can't even agree on the Trinity, yet some are quite able to toos out Jews and Muslims as following some evil sort of mythology?

No, doesn't work that way. If we can't even agree, we need to worry about our own issues first. and frankly stop with the judgmental position we have towards other viewpoints.

Christians do not agree on loads of things, but that does not change the FACT that Islam does not worship the God of Abraham.

Jesus Christ is the God that Abraham worshipped. Islam, like every other religion out there besides Christianity, worships a false god(s) made to look like the One True God.
 
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Originally Posted by LiberalAnglicanCatholic
All Christians can't even agree on the Trinity, yet some are quite able to toos out Jews and Muslims as following some evil sort of mythology?

No, doesn't work that way. If we can't even agree, we need to worry about our own issues first. and frankly stop with the judgmental position we have towards other viewpoints.
Oh, so you can be judgemental, but we can't?
Depends on how one interprets this passage.....

Too bad Islam doesn't take this to heart.....

1 Corin 5:
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders?
Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

13 But them that are without God judgeth.
Expel the wicked man from among yourselves!.




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Depends on how one interprets this passage.....

Too bad Islam doesn't take this to heart.....

1 Corin 5:
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders?
Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

13 But them that are without God judgeth.
Expel the wicked man from among yourselves!.




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Even then we need to tread carefully on judgments.
 
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Lion King said:
Allah (meaning God in English or Elohim in Hebrew) is both a word and a title.

I was meaning that it is the same word and title applied to the Christian God and the Islamic god. Grammatically speaking they are one and the same. However, when speaking of the nature of God, they do not worship the same Allah as I.
 
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GoingByzantine said:
From a Christian perspective sure, but for Jews and Muslims the New Testament means little. They honestly think they are worshiping God the Father, and unlike Judaism they do recognize Christ (but in a very wrong way). I'm not defending them, but in their mind they are worshiping God the Father.

What they think and what they do are different. As stated by Father Andrew Stephen Damick, if the god you worship is fundamentally different in nature from the God of Christians, then you worship a different god, for you worship God as if He were made and created by you, and not the other way around.
 
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LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
All Christians can't even agree on the Trinity, yet some are quite able to toos out Jews and Muslims as following some evil sort of mythology? No, doesn't work that way. If we can't even agree, we need to worry about our own issues first. and frankly stop with the judgmental position we have towards other viewpoints.

And to be quite frank, as far as the Apostles and their followers would've been concerned, all people who rejected the divinity of Christ would not have been allowed to commune, as that is the teaching of the Apostles. Even before John was exiled, other Christians knew Christ to be God, as evidenced in the letters of Ignatios of Antioch.

This is why there is closed Communion in Orthodox Churches. Because we believe and worship God as a fundamentally different being.

This is the danger of relativism: it makes the truth to be nothing. We could believe anything we want to if we start saying non-Christians worship the same God as we. Might as well say that so do the Pastafarians! For that matter, So do Hindus (many versions of which are monotheistic).

No, there is one God, one Body, one Baptism, one salvation.
 
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it just looks like modern day moon God worship to me.
Except for the fact that Muslims in no way, shape, or form envision Allah as a "moon god". The idea is as stupid to them, or possibly moreso, than it is to Christians.
 
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If you and I both see an animal, I say it's a tiger, and all that that implies, and you say it's a lion, and all that that implies, are we discussin g the same animal? Even though we believe different things about it?
It means that I an talking about a tiger, while you're talking about a Moon Lion, and are a Liberal. So there.
 
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You kinda make it up as you go, then?
No and if you had any reading comprehension you would understand that I said I did not read all what at the time was 5 pages. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks I know that islam is evil and of satan and no amount of phony tolerance will change my mind. It is as if someone can not have an opinion without be made fun of by many here

It is sad that Christianity has come to ruin by trying to accept that all other religions worship he one and only Christian God. I have said my piece and you will not see me in this thread again
 
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No and if you had any reading comprehension you would understand that I said I did not read all what at the time was 5 pages. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks I know that islam is evil and of satan and no amount of phony tolerance will change my mind. It is as if someone can not have an opinion without be made fun of by many here

It is sad that Christianity has come to ruin by trying to accept that all other religions worship he one and only Christian God. I have said my piece and you will not see me in this thread again

Accept? I accept that they are Muslim and not Christian. But I've met my share of evil going by the name of Christian as well.
I don't think anyone is suggesting their belief is proper. Most see them just as they see those of judaism. Meaning flat out wrong.
The point being made by some is that the Fox news view many have of Muslims as a whole is purely bigoted. They are not all out to kill you. Some even actually smile and will treat you nice.
Not every Muslim is evil.
Not every Mormon is evil
Not every Buddhist is evil.

Some even have more moral character than many professing Christ. They are your mission rather than your enemy.
 
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Accept? I accept that they are Muslim and not Christian. But I've met my share of evil going by the name of Christian as well.
I don't think anyone is suggesting their belief is proper. Most see them just as they see those of judaism. Meaning flat out wrong.
The point being made by some is that the Fox news view many have of Muslims as a whole is purely bigoted. They are not all out to kill you. Some even actually smile and will treat you nice.
Not every Muslim is evil.
Not every Mormon is evil
Not every Buddhist is evil.

Some even have more moral character than many professing Christ. They are your mission rather than your enemy.
true dat
 
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No I do not believe they are the same. Muslims worship a moon god
I have heard about that, but sad to say, I never really studied on that.
Perhaps some Muslims on CF can comment on that.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7790610/
Do muslims worship the moon god?

Ummmm.... no. This is one of many crackpot theories about Islam that are completely false. There are no sahih hadiths where it is stated that Allah is Hubal, and such a thing is found nowhere in the Quran.

The "Allah is a moon god" drivel makes as much sense as "the Catholic church was in business 300 years before Christ".
None of the quotes on the page you cited say such a thing, even.

There are enough mistakes in the Quran and hadiths that can be pointed out, without the need to repeat nonsense, like what is quoted from wikiIslam.

Allah is the Arabic word for God. It is and has been used by Christians, Jews and Muslims for centuries.

If you had actually read the link provided by OP you would notice that the link does not claim that Allah is the moon God, or that Muslims worship the moon God. But you never clicked the link and decided to reply anyway.

OP's question was:
Do muslims worship a moon god?
If that was true, of course they would deny it but as the link mentions:
- Hubal (هبل) was the head moon-god of the polytheistic Arab pantheon at the Ka'aba.

The link does not make the claim that Allah is the moon God. It just says that Hubal was a God present in the Kaaba before Islam arrived. That is all.
All the references are present there. First we have to note that we are talking about Hubal, not Allah. All the link says it that the pagans used to have a moon God called Hubal which was placed in the Kaaba. Muslims destroyed the idols inside the Kaakab and today they all bow down to the Kaaba. Strange/funny/"whoa", the reaction is up to us.
The link says:
- What is certain, however, is that aspects of polytheistic worship have been incorporated into the Muslims' worship of Allah.

Here's where you learn that these things in Islam are COMMON to Paganism and in specific, the paganism which was going on there before Islam arrived. Such as:
- going around the Kaaba. Pagans used to go around the Kaaba too. Can you explain that?
- Ihram (requirement in Islam): this was originally a requirement in the Kaaba for the times the idols were present there and were worshipped by the Pagans.
- "Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca."
- Veneration of the Black-stone: "Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca. "
If you dont want to get your information from websites critical of Islam, you can look at any other site, such as Wikipedia (references present): en.wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Black_Stone#History_and_tradition
It wont let me post a link so just go to the Black stone article on Wikipedia and look at the History section.
- There are other similarities between Islamic traditions and pre-pagan worship.


So the answer to OP's question is basically: "The answer is no, but there's some interesting information to look at, and there are many traditions in Islam which have been directly borrowed from pre-Islamic Pagan worship ..."

That is an accurate answer. Feel free to point out any specific errors I made.
There are enough mistakes in the Quran and hadiths that can be pointed out, without the need to repeat nonsense, like what is quoted from wikiIslam.
Pointing out errors or criticizing Islam is what these websites do. So what specific "nonsense" is present in the OP's link? All the references are present.
Also give a few quick examples of the errors in the Quran so I know where you're coming from.
Do you have any recommendations of your own for websites that point out errors in the Quran and hadith, or those which are critical of Islam? I doubt you do. You'll likely say "Just read the Quran and hadith for yourself".
You personally believe the Quran has errors, so if you put all that into writing on a website, are you saying that automatically invalidates the website? No, that doesnt make any sense.
Allah is the Arabic word for God. It is and has been used by Christians, Jews and Muslims for centuries.
That may be true however you should note that Allah, the Muslim is not the God of other religions. Allah said that if anyone doesn't convert to Islam, they'll burn in hellfire (Quran 48:13).
This is like me creating a new religion X revealed to me by a God named Alloohee, and claiming that THIS is the latest religions and all others must convert to it.
You can say that Allah and Alloohee are the same gods but they're not.
Allah was the creation of Muhammad's imagination, just like Alloohee is the creation of my imagination.
Muslims worship the Creator\the Designer of the universe, the eternal, who begets not, nor is He begotten.

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Q:52:35-36: Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.


Q:112:1-4: Say, "He is God Almighty, [who is] One, God Almighty, the Eternal, He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent
The "moon god"-nonsense was cooked up by the same people who assert that Catholics are in fact pagans who worship the Queen of Heaven, and that Muhammad was a Catholic secret agent trying to spread Satan's influence further.


Although the crescent moon is now commonly associated with Islam, the symbol as such was not used in the early days of Islam, but only appeared on the stage of world history during the crusades.

In terms of etymology, both Allah (Arabian: "the God"), Elohim (Hebrew: "the Gods/The God [majestic plural]"), and El (Canaanite: "the God") are directly related to the same root.

Culturally speaking (and bolstered by every shred of archaeological evidence available), the ancient Israelites were an offshoot of the Canaanites, and it's quite likely that the henotheistic cult of YHVH started off as a sub-set of the Canaanite religion, gradually becoming bona fide monotheism and conflating the separate deities El and Yahweh.
They were a sect that radically re-defined elements of a pre-existing religion - just as Christianity did with (proto-)Judaism, Islam did with Christianity and Judaism, and the Baha'i faith did with all three of them.
Originally Posted by smaneck
No.

Do Christians worship the Canaanite god of war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_(Canaanite_deity)
Originally Posted by ViaCrucis
Pfft. No.

We worship the sun god.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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No and if you had any reading comprehension you would understand that I said I did not read all what at the time was 5 pages. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks I know that islam is evil and of satan and no amount of phony tolerance will change my mind. It is as if someone can not have an opinion without be made fun of by many here

It is sad that Christianity has come to ruin by trying to accept that all other religions worship he one and only Christian God. I have said my piece and you will not see me in this thread again

TC, Islam is false. Islam worships a false Allah. Christians worship the true Allah, the Allah of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David, Who sent His Son to earth to die for our sins.

Christians in Arabia have been worshiping Allah since long before Islam even existed. The Christians who were chased from Mosul worshiped Allah. They would say "Quddūsun Allāh, Quddūsun al-qawī, Quddūsun alladhī lâ yamūt urḥamnā."

What does that mean? "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us!"
 
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Accept? I accept that they are Muslim and not Christian. But I've met my share of evil going by the name of Christian as well.
I don't think anyone is suggesting their belief is proper. Most see them just as they see those of judaism. Meaning flat out wrong.
The point being made by some is that the Fox news view many have of Muslims as a whole is purely bigoted. They are not all out to kill you. Some even actually smile and will treat you nice.
Not every Muslim is evil.
Not every Mormon is evil
Not every Buddhist is evil.

Some even have more moral character than many professing Christ. They are your mission rather than your enemy.

I thin Topcare was speaking about the religion (that is Islam) and not people. When I look at Islam, all I see is the spirit of the antiChrist at work.
 
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We will see righteous and blameless people from everywhere and from every time saved by Christ God.

For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.

Alleluia alleluia alleluia!

God be gracious to me a sinner.
 
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The meaning of Anti-Christ is "other than Christ".

While we are watching in disgust at the worst of mankind, anti-Chirst stands over our shoulder and whispers to us about our righteousness. While at the same time teaching us less and less as the years go by, so that what is called Christianity represents nothing of historic Christianity.

All is lost as we lose focus on our prayers. Our enemy is a master of propaganda.

God be gracious to me a sinner.
 
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Even then we need to tread carefully on judgments.

It's called discernment,Lib...
The Holy Ghost, out of the mouth of Paul, says, "Prove all things. Hold fast that which is good." Here are two great truths:

1st...The right, duty, and necessity of private judgment. "Prove all things."

2nd...The duty and necessity of keeping firm hold upon truth. "Hold fast that which is good."
 
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