Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

[Targaryen]

Well that's a given.

Appearantly not.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

With this logic, Buddhists worship the same god. The Jewish god says, acts, and loves differently than the Christian God.

The point is that truth is not relative. You either worship God through THE way, or you don't worship God at all

Hard to argue with that. But that's not the question posed. I would agree they worship in vain but it is the God of Abraham they are worshipping in vain. Just like those of Judaism but with a rather early on twist. In any event it is not the triune God we worship but at best a poor alternative with just enough truth slipped in to be really dangerous.

 

[sculleywr]

Huh? This has exactly what to do with the topic you can't get?

If you think you have a relationship with someone based on a false viewpoint with that person, then you have no relationship at all. Relationship is based on truth, not falsehood.

No, your viewpoint is illogical. It's based on zero fact and historical and therefore non-religious examination and skewed into a viewpoint that is religious.

Like I said, spin is not fact...it's spin. And you are willfully ignorant of that.

Judaism died with the temple. Judaism is fundamentally NOTHING LIKE the Judaism of Scripture. There are no sacrifices, no liturgical feasts, no liturgical practices endemic to the sacrificial religion established in Exodus. To them, "I am the Lord your God" means "this is an optional part of the worship I require of you."

They don't even worship God as He commanded in the OT. They worship a god that doesn't require any sacrifices (a practice that continued despite the lack of a temple during the exile of the Jews to Babylon, but is absent now). They worship a god that is all about the law and not about grace and forgiveness, because the only thing left without the sacrifices of Judaism is Pharisaical laws.

Claiming to worship the true God does not mean you are worshiping the true God. As Christ said, many will say "Lord, Lord", but they will be turned away and the true God will say to them, "I never knew you."

Therefore, they CLAIM to worship the same God, but instead they worship a god of their own creation.

 

[GoingByzantine]

Well that's a given.

Not to some people on this forum

 

[sculleywr]

Again, allah is a generic title for whatever arabic god was considered the highest god, to one tribe it meant their god to another it meant another, the God of the bible is not the same God as islams allah...

Allah is a word. Not a title. Your argument is about as true as the statement that there are astronauts on the sun.

 

[Lion King]

Allah is a word. Not a title. Your argument is about as true as the statement that there are astronauts on the sun.

Allah (meaning God in English or Elohim in Hebrew) is both a word and a title.

 

[Lion King]

No, Islam does not WORSHIP the God of Abraham, since they deny the Son.

that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. John 5:23


Remember, God is one.


Worship

1.
the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

synonyms: reverence, revering, worshipping, veneration, venerating, adoration, adoring, -olatry, devotion, praise, thanksgiving, praising, praying to, glorification, glorifying, glory, exaltation, exalting, extolment, extolling, homage, respect, honour, honouring, esteem;

 

[GoingByzantine]

No, Islam does not WORSHIP the God of Abraham, since they deny the Son.

that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. John 5:23


Remember, God is one.


Worship

1.
the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

synonyms: reverence, revering, worshipping, veneration, venerating, adoration, adoring, -olatry, devotion, praise, thanksgiving, praising, praying to, glorification, glorifying, glory, exaltation, exalting, extolment, extolling, homage, respect, honour, honouring, esteem;

From a Christian perspective sure, but for Jews and Muslims the New Testament means little.

They honestly think they are worshiping God the Father, and unlike Judaism they do recognize Christ (but in a very wrong way). I'm not defending them, but in their mind they are worshiping God the Father.

 

[Lion King]

From a Christian perspective sure, but for Jews and Muslims the New Testament means little.

They honestly think they are worshiping God the Father, and unlike Judaism they do recognize Christ (but in a very wrong way). I'm not defending them, but in their mind they are worshiping God the Father.

What they think does not matter. What only matters is what God thinks.

But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. Matthew 10:33


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I just remembered a thread from awhile back concerning this same topic.
But on this poll thread, it is open to both Christians and non-Christians, and it is especially interesting to see how the Muslims respond to it.

[FWIW, it is still an open thread, with about 84 pages already on it.....]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7389466/
Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

Provide as to why they are. or as to why they aren't.

View Poll Results: Are Allah and Yaweh the same God?

Yes they are

86 40.19%

No they aren't

113 52.80%

They are similar, but not the same

15 7.01%

Yahweh is indeed the one true God, there absolutely is no other. It is just that in another language, Arabic, the word for the one God is 'Allah', Christians with that language will use that word for the true God, Yahweh. Muslims have the faulty construct with their claim from their faith of God as revealed to them.

 

[Armoured]

Nope, it's the enemy infiltrating so we can give up on witnessing because after all allah,
ganesha, and other various deities are all God. They are not God is exclusive and I feel sory for people who buy the lie that the satanic allah and God are the same

If you and I both see an animal, I say it's a tiger, and all that that implies, and you say it's a lion, and all that that implies, are we discussin g the same animal? Even though we believe different things about it?

 

[Targaryen]

From a Christian perspective sure, but for Jews and Muslims the New Testament means little.

They honestly think they are worshiping God the Father, and unlike Judaism they do recognize Christ (but in a very wrong way). I'm not defending them, but in their mind they are worshiping God the Father.

Thank you....at least someone sees sense around here

 

[Targaryen]

If you and I both see an animal, I say it's a tiger, and all that that implies, and you say it's a lion, and all that that implies, are we discussin g the same animal? Even though we believe different things about it?

Not from any reasonable mindset...but some here have proven that reason doesn't go hand in hand with their "faith"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No, Islam does not WORSHIP the God of Abraham, since they deny the Son.

that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. John 5:23

Remember, God is one.

Both apostate Judaism and Islamism are monotheistic religions.
One of their main criticisms concerning Christianity is not that Jesus didn't exist, but that Jesus is Yahweh.

Heck, the Trinity is one of the most controversial topics within Christianity to this very day....IMHO

1 Corin 8:5
For even if-ever there are ones saying to be gods, whether in heaven or on land, even as there are ,many gods and many lords,
6 but to us, there is one God the Father, out of whom the all-things, and we into Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ thru whom the all-things, and we thru Him.


They Call Me Trinity Trailer - YouTube







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[Targaryen]

Both apostate Judaism and Islamism are monotheistic religions.
One of their main criticismsconcerning Christianity is not that Jesus didn't exist, but that Jesus is Yahweh.
Heck, the Trinity is one of the most controversial topice within Christianity to this very day....IMHO

1 Corin 8:5
For even if-ever there are ones saying to be gods, whether in heaven or on land, even as there are ,many gods and many lords,
6 but to us, there is one God the Father, out of whom the all-things, and we into Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ thru whom the all-things, and we thru Him.

They Call Me Trinity Trailer - YouTube

yes but some wish to blind themselves even to that fact LLOJ

 

[Lion King]

Both apostate Judaism and Islamism are monotheistic religions.
One of their main criticisms concerning Christianity is not that Jesus didn't exist, but that Jesus is Yahweh.

Heck, the Trinity is one of the most controversial topics within Christianity to this very day....IMHO

1 Corin 8:5
For even if-ever there are ones saying to be gods, whether in heaven or on land, even as there are ,many gods and many lords,
6 but to us, there is one God the Father, out of whom the all-things, and we into Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ thru whom the all-things, and we thru Him..

Yes, and by denying the teaching that Jesus is God, they have also denied the Father.

Whoever does not worship the Son does not worship the Father, who sent Him.

 

[Targaryen]

Yes, and by denying the teaching that Jesus is God, they have also denied the Father.

Whoever does not worship the Son does not worship the Father, who sent Him.

You still missed the point of LLOJ's raising that question though

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, and by denying the teaching that Jesus is God, they have also denied the Father.

Whoever does not worship the Son does not worship the Father, who sent Him.

Indeed!

I feel quite positive that someday they ALL will......but, sad to say, I doubt if that will happen in my lifetime

Matthew 17:5
Still of Him speaking, behold! a luminous cloud over-shadows them.
And behold! a voice out of the cloud saying "this is the Son of Me, the Beloved in whom I delight, be ye hearing Him!".
[Deut 18/Acts 3:22/Revelation 2:18]

Acts 3:22
For Moses indeed [toward the fathers] saying: 'that a prophet to ye shall be raising up, Lord the God of ye, out of the brothers of ye as Me.
Of Him ye shall be hearing according to all as much as ever He should be speaking toward ye.
[Deut 18:18,19/Matt 17:5/Reve 2:18]

2 Peter 2:1
And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects,
and the Owner/Master who bought them denying/disowning/arnou-menoi <720> (5740),
bringing to themselves quick destruction
[Jeremiah 14:14,15/Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4/Revelation 6:10]

Revelation 2:18
And to the messenger of the Assembly in Thyatira, write!
Now this is saying the Son of the GOD, the One having the eyes of Him as flame of fire, and the feet of Him as to burnished-brass.

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series

The church in Thyatira has a longer message delivered to it from Jesus Christ than any of the seven churches, although it is interesting to note that the church there is the smallest of the seven, and the city of Thyatira is the smallest of the seven cities............



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[Lion King]

You still missed the point of LLOJ's raising that question though

What point was that?

 

[Targaryen]

All Christians can't even agree on the Trinity, yet some are quite able to toos out Jews and Muslims as following some evil sort of mythology?

No, doesn't work that way. If we can't even agree, we need to worry about our own issues first. and frankly stop with the judgmental position we have towards other viewpoints.