Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

[simonthezealot]

Here's your answer for Jesus mouth...

39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

[Mama Kidogo]

We will see righteous and blameless people from everywhere and from every time saved by Christ God.

For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.

Alleluia alleluia alleluia!

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Finally. A reasonable post. And you didn't have to send anyone to hell to post it.

 

[simonthezealot]

Finally. A reasonable post. And you didn't have to send anyone to hell to post it.

Right...smh
Because the words of our Lord are not reasonable to you?

 

[FredVB]

Most Christian say God instead of Yahweh.
If Allah is a different God than the Christian God, then Judaism must be worshipping a different God, since they do not believe in Christ, correct? IMHO.
ALLAH is simply the Arabic word for Yahweh, so I would vote other if that would have been an option,
tho I am inclined to say they are both the same.

No. And, moreover, Yahweh is not one person, but three persons. Allah is no more the Arabic word for Yahweh than God is the English word for Yahweh. Yahweh is a name. The Hebrew word for God is El or Elohim. Muslims do not make that distinction between the word for God (Allah) and the name of God (Allah). Only Arab Christians make that distinction in Arabic, between the term for God (Allah) and the name of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

This last response is right. Yahweh is God, and that name is his, Yahweh indeed is also revealed as three persons. That name is revealed, to be remembered, for all generations. If that hasn't been done, it does not change that it is right to do, God having said it. "Allah" is not Arabic for "Yahweh", it is a word, meaning God. That many people use the word for God does not mean they all worship the true God. Muslims have the wrong ideas about God, I have read almost all of the Quran, and I have seen multitudes of direct contradiction with statements for us in the Bible. "Allah" as a word may be used for God, and there are the Arabic speaking Christians who do, this isn't a problem, except for any who will make this a problem. And some who are Muslim may say "Allah" is the name, rather than the word for God, they though do not know the true God, as what they know from the Quran has all the contradictions with what is revealed through the Bible, including what is said about Yahweh God.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Here's your answer for Jesus mouth...

39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

And this has what to do with the Arabic word Allah? There seems to be a word many are excluding from the OP. That word is "claim'. So do muslims claim to be worshipping the same God of Abraham? I'd say yes. Are they worshipping the triune God a Christian worships? Nope. But Arabic Christians using the word Allah are indeed worshipping the God we worship It was a Christian word before it was a Muslim word. don't let the Arabic tongue scare you.

 

[simonthezealot]

And this has what to do with the Arabic word Allah? There seems to be a word many are excluding from the OP. That word is "claim'. So do muslims claim to be worshipping the same God of Abraham? I'd say yes. Are they worshipping the triune God a Christian worships? Nope. But Arabic Christians using the word Allah are indeed worshipping the God we worship It was a Christian word before it was a Muslim word. don't let the Arabic tongue scare you.

Ah no...Again, allah is a generic title for whatever arabic god was considered the highest god, to one tribe it meant their god to another it meant another, the God of the bible is not the same God as islams allah...

Even the Quran states as much..
Quran, 5:73 (Yusuf Ali), “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.”

 

[sculleywr]

Ah no...Again, allah is a generic title for whatever arabic god was considered the highest god, to one tribe it meant their god to another it meant another, the God of the bible is not the same God as islams allah...

Even the Quran states as much..
Quran, 5:73 (Yusuf Ali), “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.”

Allah is a word Simon. It is the only word for God in Arabic. So do you mean that the Arabic people have to learn an entirely new language if they want to worship God?

No. I worship Allah because I worship God.

Also, in that verse of the Quran, the word used for Allah and god are the same in root:

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

There is no ilahin except ilahun.

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Ah no...Again, allah is a generic title for whatever arabic god was considered the highest god, to one tribe it meant their god to another it meant another, the God of the bible is not the same God as islams allah...

Even the Quran states as much..
Quran, 5:73 (Yusuf Ali), “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.”

Their words don't matter. It's a false prophet's hogwash. They did not coin the word Allah. But it is interesting as it shows we were first or it couldn't have been written about us.
My only point about them is that they "claim' to worship the God of Abraham. We worship the God of Abraham. So just how many gods are we saying Abraham had.
Their claim does not make it truth. The OP asked about the claim. Not whether we agree with them. Without a doubt they do not worship the God of Abraham. But they sure claim to.

 

[WordsOfRepentance]

As far as I know YHWH is One God and is indivisible. The Jews know the Torah and the Tanach far better than any of us yet they believe in ONE God. It gives me suspicions - when did the idea of the triunity of God pop up?

I believe that Allah=YHWH=Jehovah. We worship a being and not a name. We call upon God through any name and we are saved. Amen

 

[bbbbbbb]

As far as I know YHWH is One God and is indivisible. The Jews know the Torah and the Tanach far better than any of us yet they believe in ONE God. It gives me suspicions - when did the idea of the triunity of God pop up?

I believe that Allah=YHWH=Jehovah. We worship a being and not a name. We call upon God through any name and we are saved. Amen

If you are Muslim, as your faith icon indicates, in what sense does Allah save you?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

As far as I know YHWH is One God and is indivisible. The Jews know the Torah and the Tanach far better than any of us yet they believe in ONE God. It gives me suspicions - when did the idea of the triunity of God pop up?

I believe that Allah=YHWH=Jehovah. We worship a being and not a name. We call upon God through any name and we are saved. Amen

Ah.. it didn't popup. It was revealed, through Christ.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[WordsOfRepentance]

Ah.. it didn't popup. It was revealed, through Christ.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Hmmmm. But why didn't God reveal this before Christ? And I don't seem to get how this was "revealed"? Imho God is One, Indivisibly One.

 

[WordsOfRepentance]

If you are Muslim, as your faith icon indicates, in what sense does Allah save you?

Save me from Satan and from my own self. Saves me from Hell. Saves me from His Anger and guides me to His Mercy.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hmmmm. But why didn't God reveal this before Christ? And I don't seem to get how this was "revealed"? Imho God is One, Indivisibly One.

It was his own plan before the dawn of time. Before the creation of light, this was the plan. I have the idea that no matter how and when HE chose to reveal the Trinity, someone would ask why did HE do it that way?

Thank you for being kind while you are here.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[SolomonVII]

As far as I know YHWH is One God and is indivisible. The Jews know the Torah and the Tanach far better than any of us yet they believe in ONE God. It gives me suspicions - when did the idea of the triunity of God pop up?

The Trinity teaches God is ONE as well.
Christianity is monotheistic.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

One God in three persons united in one essence.

Everyone has trouble with the Trinity. It is a mystery after all.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

As far as I know YHWH is One God and is indivisible. The Jews know the Torah and the Tanach far better than any of us yet they believe in ONE God. It gives me suspicions - when did the idea of the triunity of God pop up?

I believe that Allah=YHWH=Jehovah. We worship a being and not a name. We call upon God through any name and we are saved. Amen

Perhaps for Islam and Judaism, but for Christianity, there is only one Name that we can be saved by.....Jesus the Christ

Matt 10:22
And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me.
The one yet enduring into finish/teloV <5056>, this one shall be being saved
[Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]

Act 4:12
“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Reve 2:26
And the one conquering and the one keeping until finished the works of Me,
I shall be giving to him authority upon the Nations.


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[sculleywr]

Hmmmm. But why didn't God reveal this before Christ? And I don't seem to get how this was "revealed"? Imho God is One, Indivisibly One.

And so is God according to the Christian definition. Theos is the Father, however, His essence is the same as the essence of the Son and the Spirit. As Paul said to the Hebrews, this is why the Psalms say "And the Lord said to my Lord, 'Your throne, oh God'"

This is NOT saying that there are multiple Gods. It is saying, and admitting, that God is beyond personhood as we can understand it. He cannot be described in human terms, as even the term "Godhead" falls short. In Scripture, Theos is normally referred to the Father, but Theotis is established for all three, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Theotis is the nature of the divine.

Borrowing a lot from Fr. Thomas Hopko for this explanation of the Trinity. Essentially, there is one Theos, one God, the Father. But His nature is shared by the Son as Lord and the Holy Spirit.

 

[sculleywr]

Save me from Satan and from my own self. Saves me from Hell. Saves me from His Anger and guides me to His Mercy.

What if salvation was more? What if salvation is to become like God Himself in every way humanly possible? What if salvation is not just being saved from hell, but being saved to a oneness with God?

 

[WordsOfRepentance]

What if salvation was more? What if salvation is to become like God Himself in every way humanly possible? What if salvation is not just being saved from hell, but being saved to a oneness with God?

That's what the Mormons say, don't they? For one thing I see it a sin trying to rival God. Yes, Islam also talks about reunion with God - this is important in Sufism.

Perhaps for Islam and Judaism, but for Christianity, there is only one Name that we can be saved by.....Jesus the Christ

Matt 10:22
And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me.
The one yet enduring into finish/teloV <5056>, this one shall be being saved
[Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]

Act 4:12
“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Reve 2:26
And the one conquering and the one keeping until finished the works of Me,
I shall be giving to him authority upon the Nations.

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The problem with these verses is that they are not timeless. God revealed it at one point in time. So you can't say that no one was saved before Christ because no knew the name. Or that people who haven't heard of Christ wouldn't be saved. I think that's what's meant by Messiah - he is Christ and the King of Jews. The Jews and his people cannot be saved if they know him and reject him. The same with the people of any Messenger of God.

Jesus would return to complete his mission.

The Trinity teaches God is ONE as well.
Christianity is monotheistic.

It was his own plan before the dawn of time. Before the creation of light, this was the plan. I have the idea that no matter how and when HE chose to reveal the Trinity, someone would ask why did HE do it that way?

Thank you for being kind while you are here.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

No I don't think that the Holy Spirit and Jesus, the word of God, should be considered God, even if they are of the same essence.