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So there is no difference between the saved ad unsaved huh? Or is it that the unsaved are the ones who prosper now...burn later..... and the Saved are depressed and suicidal now and get the mansion in the sky later.
Well, did Jesus show any emotion while on earth? I know He sweated blood in the garden before He was apprehended. That's a physiological condition that has been reported in people who show extreme fear, like when they know they're about to die or experience true pain. In a panic, Jesus BEGGED God to take the cup of burden away from Him.

We know Jesus cried in agony over things. The shortest verse in the bible, "Jesus wept".

We know Jesus often would lose His temper, become frustrated, and would escape up to the mountains to pray and get away from things.

The thing is, we were created in God's image. We share a lot of God's emotions and feelings. Depression isn't this demon-thing, but an actual result of our body's way of handling things. It's chemical reactions, which can be a result of something as simple as eating the wrong foods.
 
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Well, did Jesus show any emotion while on earth? I know He sweated blood in the garden before He was apprehended. That's a physiological condition that has been reported in people who show extreme fear, like when they know they're about to die or experience true pain. In a panic, Jesus BEGGED God to take the cup of burden away from Him.

We know Jesus cried in agony over things. The shortest verse in the bible, "Jesus wept".

We know Jesus often would lose His temper, become frustrated, and would escape up to the mountains to pray and get away from things.

The thing is, we were created in God's image. We share a lot of God's emotions and feelings. Depression isn't this demon-thing, but an actual result of our body's way of handling things. It's chemical reactions, which can be a result of something as simple as eating the wrong foods.
I find no fault in you believing that the holy Spirit will not keep you from depression and suicidal thoughts. Be it unto you as you believe. I'm ok with it, it is your free will. Is it ok for me to believe that God can heal all manner of sicknesses permanently? Is it ok for me to tell the posters that I believe they can be healed and that they can trust God to deliver them? Or would you like for them to only hear that their situation is normal and there is little hope, even with the holy spirit in them?
 
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12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you,” declares the Lord, “and will bring you back from captivity.
 
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Please know that in most churches people are *not* taught how to pray in the several key instructions Christ gave about prayer. For instance, some might know to ask for things in His name, but that's all they know. So, that person is missing at least 5 essential, key, crucial instructions Christ gave about how to pray. A few know He said to pray to the Father. So, there are 2....*but*....there are more, several more that are totally essential. Crucial.

Do not presume you know the 5 or 6 key instructions He gave about how to pray unless you have discovered them in the gospels.

You can. You can find them all. Here's a very good way -- get curious about what He said that we don't know yet, that wasn't conveyed in your church. Start in chapter 1 verse 1 of a Gospel like Luke or John, and read through, taking your time. Then another gospel. I know I have to keep in mind at least 6 things I need to do in prayer, from the Gospels of Matthew, Luke and John. And, I'd like you to know it works. I have the amazing experience, that is still frightening to me, but also wonderful, that every last prayer I've done, every last one, more than 30, where I follow His instructions.

They were all answered. Every one. All.

If....*if* you learn what they are, and then actually do them, all, then you will surely have prayers answered in ways that are amazing. That's my experience.

Because one of the crucial instructions He gave is that during prayer we must believe the prayer will be given to us, faith in the prayer being answered, this is a step not all can do at first, a key step. Here's how -- pray for a thing you are 100% certain is 100% surely aligned to God's will, as expressed by Christ, such as for example to love a person that is hard to love, or to forgive someone you haven't yet, and pray for aid to do exactly that. Because it is perfectly aligned to His will, you can then have faith, belief, that your prayer will be given, as you pray to the Father, in Christ's name (and the other ways, like forgiving people, and praying alone, and all the ways He instructed.) Because you know it's a good prayer, you can have the required faith as you pray. With that faith, during prayer, you will be given what you ask.

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

You better stop with that prosperity garbage......We dont like that in these forums.

But I've had similar experiences......The last time I asked for something, it scared me too. I Havent asked for anything since. I find it better to pray in the will, or for things like general health. If you know how to pray, you can ask for specific things.......but you may not like the way it comes.....
 
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You better stop with that prosperity garbage......We dont like that in these forums.

But I've had similar experiences......The last time I asked for something, it scared me too. I Havent asked for anything since. I find it better to pray in the will, or for things like general health. If you know how to pray, you can ask for specific things.......but you may not like the way it comes.....

I'm going to search carefully to try to figure out how anyone could see even a slight hint of the profoundly wrong prosperity gospel in my post about prayer. It might help a little to know that I am usually not praying for things until I feel a serious need, that isn't everyday at all. The only prayer that I pray often is only the Lord's prayer. And the other prayers where I actually ask for something, that is only when I need it pretty seriously, or feel a profound need in another person, because I'm afraid of the Lord. I "fear the Lord", and _> I don't know enough yet <_ to know what all to pray for, so I only pray solely for things I feel certain obey Christ, alone. Well, maybe this will help you understand better. I'm pretty much just the opposite of a 'prosperity gospel' person. I hope you can get that. The reality, the amazing and frightening and wonderful reality is that God is real! We should all fear the Lord.

I can testify to the reality that if one is obedient to Christ's instructions on how to pray, and also repent of your sins, and really are working to follow Him, in His commands, doing them, repenting when you fail, praying for aid, then a person will suddenly one day find out what I've found out, and if they are like me, they will fear the Lord.

The reality we face is so opposite the prosperity gospel that we should all, all of us, even you and me, be doing like Paul wrote:

"Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling" -- Paul wrote to the people in the only church that was giving him support in his travels, even.

Paul wrote also: "Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me."

7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Thinking on even just those 2 verses from the author of the grace doctrine should sober anyone that thinks to follow Christ. Paul never for a moment thought that our being saved by grace through faith meant we have no need to fear. There is so much people could learn if they would only read fully through books, instead of isolated verses.
 
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If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.
No, it is not true.

Clinical depression is not a character flaw or spiritual failing. It is a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE, and can abe corrected wit the right medicines.

There are some medical conditions, such as diabetes, which can bring on depression if left untreated. Again, it's MEDICAL, not personal.

There is also reactive depression. When Jesus said, "My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death," He doesn't sound like He was up on the summit of Mount Feelgood.

Christ is risen!
 
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If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

I bet you get a lot of good advice on treating depression, so instead of only repeating that good advice, let me offer another piece, different, that has helped in my own family. Because it's not about A vs B vs C.

One can do A and B and C, instead of picking only one.

Please know that in most churches people are *not* taught how to pray in the several key instructions Christ gave about prayer. For instance, some might know to ask for things in His name, but that's all they know. So, that person is missing at least 5 essential, key, crucial instructions Christ gave about how to pray. A few know He said to pray to the Father. So, there are 2....*but*....there are more, several more that are totally essential. Crucial.

Do not presume you know the 5 or 6 key instructions He gave about how to pray unless you have discovered them in the gospels.

You can. You can find them all. Here's a very good way -- get curious about what He said that we don't know yet, that wasn't conveyed in your church. Start in chapter 1 verse 1 of a Gospel like Luke or John, and read through, taking your time. Then another gospel. I know I have to keep in mind at least 6 things I need to do in prayer, from the Gospels of Matthew, Luke and John. And, I'd like you to know it works. I have the amazing experience, that is still frightening to me, but also wonderful, that every last prayer I've done, every last one, more than 30, where I follow His instructions.

They were all answered. Every one. All.

If....*if* you learn what they are, and then actually do them, all, then you will surely have prayers answered in ways that are amazing. That's my experience.

Because one of the crucial instructions He gave is that during prayer we must believe the prayer will be given to us, faith in the prayer being answered, this is a step not all can do at first, a key step. Here's how -- pray for a thing you are 100% certain is 100% surely aligned to God's will, as expressed by Christ, such as for example to love a person that is hard to love, or to forgive someone you haven't yet, and pray for aid to do exactly that. Because it is perfectly aligned to His will, you can then have faith, belief, that your prayer will be given, as you pray to the Father, in Christ's name (and the other ways, like forgiving people, and praying alone, and all the ways He instructed.) Because you know it's a good prayer, you can have the required faith as you pray. With that faith, during prayer, you will be given what you ask.

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Matthew 7
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12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you,” declares the Lord, “and will bring you back from captivity.
Jeremiah 29
 
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If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

God loves you. step into grace and healing by walking in faith.


 
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I'm going to search carefully to try to figure out how anyone could see even a slight hint of the profoundly wrong prosperity gospel in my post about prayer. It might help a little to know that I am usually not praying for things until I feel a serious need, that isn't everyday at all. The only prayer that I pray often is only the Lord's prayer. And the other prayers where I actually ask for something, that is only when I need it pretty seriously, or feel a profound need in another person, because I'm afraid of the Lord. I "fear the Lord", and _> I don't know enough yet <_ to know what all to pray for, so I only pray solely for things I feel certain obey Christ, alone. Well, maybe this will help you understand better. I'm pretty much just the opposite of a 'prosperity gospel' person. I hope you can get that. The reality, the amazing and frightening and wonderful reality is that God is real! We should all fear the Lord.

I can testify to the reality that if one is obedient to Christ's instructions on how to pray, and also repent of your sins, and really are working to follow Him, in His commands, doing them, repenting when you fail, praying for aid, then a person will suddenly one day find out what I've found out, and if they are like me, they will fear the Lord.

The reality we face is so opposite the prosperity gospel that we should all, all of us, even you and me, be doing like Paul wrote:

"Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling" -- Paul wrote to the people in the only church that was giving him support in his travels, even.

Paul wrote also: "Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me."

7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Thinking on even just those 2 verses from the author of the grace doctrine should sober anyone that thinks to follow Christ. Paul never for a moment thought that our being saved by grace through faith meant we have no need to fear. There is so much people could learn if they would only read fully through books, instead of isolated verses.
No need explaining yourself. If someone is looking for wrong, they can find it anywhere. I said what i said in Jest.... Im not sure of all the doctrines and categories.....and I dont place anyone in any of them. I happen to believe you can get whatever you ask for if you know how to pray.....I was told that was prosperity doctrine and it is false the last time I said it......so i was preparing you....and maybe stopping others from saying it...

Ive enjoyed your posts. May God bless you.
 
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If you're filled with God's spirit....

Wow! If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

If you're filled with God's spirit.... You should have a well of energy and light flowing through your spirit!

 
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If you're filled with God's spirit....

Wow! If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

If you're filled with God's spirit.... You should have a well of energy and light flowing through your spirit!

I'm filled with his spirit. Idk what's wrong...I'm maybe I need to try more. Idk
 
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I'm filled with his spirit. Idk what's wrong...I'm maybe I need to try more. Idk

The key is trying what Christ said. Christians need at some point to "seek" God -- seeking (searching to find) God "with all of your heart". Please see #148 above, even if you only read the quote at the end (but I promise you the whole is worth reading).
 
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The key is trying what Christ said. Please see #148 above, even if you only read the quote at the end (but I promise you the whole is worth reading).
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Please know that in most churches people are *not* taught how to pray in the several key instructions Christ gave about prayer. For instance, some might know to ask for things in His name, but that's all they know. So, that person is missing at least 5 essential, key, crucial instructions Christ gave about how to pray. A few know He said to pray to the Father. So, there are 2....*but*....there are more, several more that are totally essential. Crucial.

Do not presume you know the 5 or 6 key instructions He gave about how to pray unless you have discovered them in the gospels.

You can. You can find them all. Here's a very good way -- get curious about what He said that we don't know yet, that wasn't conveyed in your church. Start in chapter 1 verse 1 of a Gospel like Luke or John, and read through, taking your time. Then another gospel. I know I have to keep in mind at least 6 things I need to do in prayer, from the Gospels of Matthew, Luke and John. And, I'd like you to know it works. I have the amazing experience, that is still frightening to me, but also wonderful, that every last prayer I've done, every last one, more than 30, where I follow His instructions.

They were all answered. Every one. All.

If....*if* you learn what they are, and then actually do them, all, then you will surely have prayers answered in ways that are amazing. That's my experience.

Because one of the crucial instructions He gave is that during prayer we must believe the prayer will be given to us, faith in the prayer being answered, this is a step not all can do at first, a key step. Here's how -- pray for a thing you are 100% certain is 100% surely aligned to God's will, as expressed by Christ, such as for example to love a person that is hard to love, or to forgive someone you haven't yet, and pray for aid to do exactly that. Because it is perfectly aligned to His will, you can then have faith, belief, that your prayer will be given, as you pray to the Father, in Christ's name (and the other ways, like forgiving people, and praying alone, and all the ways He instructed.) Because you know it's a good prayer, you can have the required faith as you pray. With that faith, during prayer, you will be given what you ask.

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Matthew 7
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12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you.
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
14 I will be found by you,” declares the Lord, “and will bring you back from captivity.
Jeremiah 29
I think I found my problem... Faith... I don't have faith god will do what he says... I guess I could pray for grace and mercy and faith to believe he'll come through.
 
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I think I found my problem... Faith... I don't have faith god will do what he says... I guess I could pray for grace and mercy and faith to believe he'll come through.

Please see that paragraph starting "Because one of the..." about how to start praying with faith. That you pray for something you personally feel totally certain is totally aligned to His will, and a couple of examples. I did this prayer first, myself, from a situation of not sure about God, but willing to try to find Him. I prayed "God, make a way from me to you. Bring me to you." and I prayed it thinking that He would surely grant this prayer because it would have to be totally something He would answer, and I prayed it will all of my heart, believing, for that moment. And the result, which came not long after, days or hours later, totally changed my life.
 
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I'm filled with his spirit. Idk what's wrong...I'm maybe I need to try more. Idk
Quoting the full testimony of George Clark Rankin, who as a teenager received the Holy Spirit in a Methodist revival way back in the 1800's...

"Grandfather was kind to me and considerate of me, yet he was strict with me. I worked along with him in the field when the weather was agreeable and when it was inclement I helped him in his hatter's shop, for the Civil War was in progress and he had returned at odd times to hatmaking. It was my business in the shop to stretch foxskins and coonskins across a wood-horse and with a knife, made for that purpose, pluck the hair from the fur. I despise the odor of foxskins and coonskins to this good day. He had me to walk two miles every Sunday to Dandridge to Church service and Sunday-school, rain or shine, wet or dry, cold or hot; yet he had fat horses standing in his stable. But he was such a blue-stocking Presbyterian that he never allowed a bridle to go on a horse's head on Sunday. The beasts had to have a day of rest. Old Doctor Minnis was the pastor, and he was the dryest and most interminable preacher I ever heard in my life. He would stand motionless and read his sermons from manuscript for one hour and a half at a time and sometimes longer. Grandfather would sit and never take his eyes off of him, except to glance at me to keep me quiet. It was torture to me." - George Clark Rankin

Then he got it good in the Methodist church in Georgia...

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After the team had been fed and we had been to supper we put the mules to the wagon, filled it with chairs and we were off to the meeting. When we reached the locality it was about dark and the people were assembling. Their horses and wagons filled up the cleared spaces and the singing was already in progress. My uncle and his family went well up toward the front, but I dropped into a seat well to the rear. It was an old-fashioned Church, ancient in appearance, oblong in shape and unpretentious. It was situated in a grove about one hundred yards from the road. It was lighted with old tallow-dip candles furnished by the neighbors. It was not a prepossessing-looking place, but it was soon crowded and evidently there was a great deal of interest. A cadaverous-looking man stood up in front with a tuning fork and raised and led the songs. There were a few prayers and the minister came in with his saddlebags and entered the pulpit. He was the Rev. W. H. Heath, the circuit rider. His prayer impressed me with his earnestness and there were many amens to it in the audience. I do not remember his text, but it was a typical revival sermon, full of unction and power.

At its close he invited penitents to the altar and a great many young people flocked to it and bowed for prayer. Many of them became very much affected and they cried out distressingly for mercy. It had a strange effect on me. It made me nervous and I wanted to retire. Directly my uncle came back to me, put his arm around my shoulder and asked me if I did not want to be religious. I told him that I had always had that desire, that mother had brought me up that way, and really I did not know anything else. Then he wanted to know if I had ever professed religion. I hardly understood what he meant and did not answer him. He changed his question and asked me if I had ever been to the altar for prayer, and I answered him in the negative. Then he earnestly besought me to let him take me up to the altar and join the others in being prayed for. It really embarrassed me and I hardly knew what to say to him. He spoke to me of my mother and said that when she was a little girl she went to the altar and that Christ accepted her and she had been a good Christian all these years. That touched me in a tender spot, for mother always did do what was right; and then I was far away from her and wanted to see her. Oh, if she were there to tell me what to do!

By and by I yielded to his entreaty and he led forward to the altar. The minister took me by the hand and spoke tenderly to me as I knelt at the altar. I had gone more out of sympathy than conviction, and I did not know what to do after I bowed there. The others were praying aloud and now and then one would rise shoutingly happy and make the old building ring with his glad praise. It was a novel experience to me. I did not know what to pray for, neither did I know what to expect if I did pray. I spent the most of the hour wondering why I was there and what it all meant. No one explained anything to me. Once in awhile some good old brother or sister would pass my way, strike me on the back and tell me to look up and believe and the blessing would come. But that was not encouraging to me. In fact, it sounded like nonsense and the noise was distracting me. Even in my crude way of thinking I had an idea that religion was a sensible thing and that people ought to become religious intelligently and without all that hurrah. I presume that my ideas were the result of the Presbyterian training given to me by old grandfather. By and by my knees grew tired and the skin was nearly rubbed off my elbows. I thought the service never would close, and when it did conclude with the benediction I heaved a sigh of relief. That was my first experience at the mourner's bench.

As we drove home I did not have much to say, but I listened attentively to the conversation between my uncle and his wife. They were greatly impressed with the meeting, and they spoke first of this one and that one who had "come through" and what a change it would make in the community, as many of them were bad boys. As we were putting up the team my uncle spoke very encouragingly to me; he was delighted with the step I had taken and he pleaded with me not to turn back, but to press on until I found the pearl of great price. He knew my mother would be very happy over the start I had made. Before going to sleep I fell into a train of thought, though I was tired and exhausted. I wondered why I had gone to that altar and what I had gained by it. I felt no special conviction and had received no special impression, but then if my mother had started that way there must be something in it, for she always did what was right. I silently lifted my heart to God in prayer for conviction and guidance. I knew how to pray, for I had come up through prayer, but not the mourner's bench sort. So I determined to continue to attend the meeting and keep on going to the altar until I got religion.

Early the next morning I was up and in a serious frame of mind. I went with the other hands to the cottonfield and at noon I slipped off in the barn and prayed. But the more I thought of the way those young people were moved in the meeting and with what glad hearts they had shouted their praises to God the more it puzzled and confused me. I could not feel the conviction that they had and my heart did not feel melted and tender. I was callous and unmoved in feeling and my distress on account of sin was nothing like theirs. I did not understand my own state of mind and heart. It troubled me, for by this time I really wanted to have an experience like theirs.

When evening came I was ready for Church service and was glad to go. It required no urging. Another large crowd was present and the preacher was as earnest as ever. I did not give much heed to the sermon. In fact, I do not recall a word of it. I was anxious for him to conclude and give me a chance to go to the altar. I had gotten it into my head that there was some real virtue in the mourner's bench; and when the time came I was one of the first to prostrate myself before the altar in prayer. Many others did likewise. Two or three good people at intervals knelt by me and spoke encouragingly to me, but they did not help me. Their talks were mere exhortations to earnestness and faith, but there was no explanation of faith, neither was there any light thrown upon my mind and heart. I wrought myself up into tears and cries for help, but the whole situation was dark and I hardly knew why I cried, or what was the trouble with me. Now and then others would arise from the altar in an ecstasy of joy, but there was no joy for me. When the service closed I was discouraged and felt that maybe I was too hardhearted and the good Spirit could do nothing for me.

After we went home I tossed on the bed before going to sleep and wondered why God did not do for me what he had done for mother and what he was doing in that meeting for those young people at the altar. I could not understand it. But I resolved to keep on trying, and so dropped off to sleep. The next day I had about the same experience and at night saw no change in my condition. And so for several nights I repeated the same distressing experience. The meeting took on such interest that a day service was adopted along with the night exercises, and we attended that also. And one morning while I bowed at the altar in a very disturbed state of mind Brother Tyson, a good local preacher and the father of Rev. J. F. Tyson, now of the Central Conference, sat down by me and, putting his hand on my shoulder, said to me: "Now I want you to sit up awhile and let's talk this matter over quietly. I am sure that you are in earnest, for you have been coming to this altar night after night for several days. I want to ask you a few simple questions." And the following questions were asked and answered:

"My son, do you not love God?"

"I cannot remember when I did not love him."

"Do you believe on his Son, Jesus Christ?"

"I have always believed on Christ. My mother taught me that from my earliest recollection."

"Do you accept him as your Savior?"

"I certainly do, and have always done so."

"Can you think of any sin that is between you and the Savior?"

"No, sir; for I have never committed any bad sins."

"Do you love everybody?"

"Well, I love nearly everybody, but I have no ill-will toward any one. An old man did me a wrong not long ago and I acted ugly toward him, but I do not care to injure him."

"Can you forgive him?"

"Yes, if he wanted me to."

"But, down in your heart, can you wish him well?"

"Yes, sir; I can do that."

"Well, now let me say to you that if you love God, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior from sin and if you love your fellowmen and intend by God's help to lead a religious life, that's all there is to religion. In fact, that is all I know about it."

Then he repeated several passages of Scriptures to me proving his assertions. I thought a moment and said to him: "But I do not feel like these young people who have been getting religion night after night. I cannot get happy like them. I do not feel like shouting."

The good man looked at me and smiled and said: "Ah, that's your trouble. You have been trying to feel like them. Now you are not them; you are yourself. You have your own quiet disposition and you are not turned like them. They are excitable and blustery like they are. They give way to their feelings. That's all right, but feeling is not religion. Religion is faith and life. If you have violent feeling with it, all good and well, but if you have faith and not much feeling, why the feeling will take care of itself. To love God and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, turning away from all sin, and living a godly life, is the substance of true religion."

That was new to me, yet it had been my state of mind from childhood. For I remembered that away back in my early life, when the old preacher held services in my grandmother's house one day and opened the door of the Church, I went forward and gave him my hand. He was to receive me into full membership at the end of six months' probation, but he let it pass out of his mind and failed to attend to it.

As I sat there that morning listening to the earnest exhortation of the good man my tears ceased, my distress left me, light broke in upon my mind, my heart grew joyous, and before I knew just what I was doing I was going all around shaking hands with everybody, and my confusion and darkness disappeared and a great burden rolled off my spirit. I felt exactly like I did when I was a little boy around my mother's knee when she told of Jesus and God and Heaven. It made my heart thrill then, and the same old experience returned to me in that old country Church that beautiful September morning down in old North Georgia.

As we returned home the sun shone brighter, the birds sang sweeter and the autumn-time looked richer than ever before. My heart was light and my spirit buoyant. I had anchored my soul in the haven of rest, and there was not a ripple upon the current of my joy. That night there was no service and after supper I walked out under the great old pine trees and held communion with God. I thought of mother, and home, and Heaven.

I at once gave my name to the preacher for membership in the Church, and the following Sunday morning, along with many others, he received me into full membership in the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It was one of the most delightful days in my recollection. It was the third Sunday in September, 1866, and those Church vows became a living principle in my heart and life. During these forty-five long years, with their alternations of sunshine and shadow, daylight and darkness, success and failure, rejoicing and weeping, fears within and fightings without, I have never ceased to thank God for that autumnal day in the long ago when my name was registered in the Lamb's Book of Life.

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If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

I suffer from clinical depression (CD). I have had thoughts of suicide. I do not have those issues right now, but it is not because I am saved. Rather, it is because I have gone to a proper psychiatrist, who has diagnosed that problem, and he has put me on a regimen of anti-depressants. If I take my medicine regularly (which I do), I am fine. If not, I can go from zero to bastard in .2 second.

I have a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes depression. If the chemicals are balanced, I am fine. If not, I go downhill faster than water over Niagara Falls.

I have been a good Christian, doing my best to cooperate with God since I was 26 years old. I am now 65, and will be (God willing) 66 next month. I was only diagnosed with CD about eighteen years ago, but I can see that it was with me all through my life. Now, God has given me a way that my CD can be controlled, and believe me, I thank God for it every day!
 
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For sure. When I became a Christian all my troubles began...
I think it may seem that way in the beginning because we are trying to learn who God is and who we are in Christ. But it does get easier for us and I think that is because we see God's working in our lives which let's us know that God is doing things.

It is definately not an easy road, but if we surround ourselves with like minded people and seek good, Godly friendships, than hopefully they will edify us along with a good church.

We need to be seekers of the things that are good and will keep us going. We are not on this path alone and we need to love and edify each other.
 
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I suffer from clinical depression (CD). I have had thoughts of suicide. I do not have those issues right now, but it is not because I am saved. Rather, it is because I have gone to a proper psychiatrist, who has diagnosed that problem, and he has put me on a regimen of anti-depressants. If I take my medicine regularly (which I do), I am fine. If not, I can go from zero to bastard in .2 second.

I have a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes depression. If the chemicals are balanced, I am fine. If not, I go downhill faster than water over Niagara Falls.

I have been a good Christian, doing my best to cooperate with God since I was 26 years old. I am now 65, and will be (God willing) 66 next month. I was only diagnosed with CD about eighteen years ago, but I can see that it was with me all through my life. Now, God has given me a way that my CD can be controlled, and believe me, I thank God for it every day!
Thanks for sharing your story. I am in a similiar predicament.
 
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