Is this true?

[Jakil]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

There is something called God's grace and it is giving only because of being humble.
There is no other way to receive it. With God's grace you can be saved.
You have to keep God's law. If you do mortal sins you can't be saved.
Baptism in the name of the holy trinity is just being christian. It is not guarantee you being saved.

 

[JesusIsMySavior101]

So you guys believe that it is possible to be filled with the holy spirit e.g. put on the mind of Christ and still "experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness?????"

If this is the case, why would anyone want to do it? I thought Christ came that we Might have life and life more abundantly.?

So basically what you are saying is that everyone who experiences mental illness isn't saved? I beg to differ.

 

[JesusIsMySavior101]

Maybe you aren't listening to Gods voice maybe you are being Deceived by evils voice. My advice is to not listen to him!! Think positively.

 

[Jakil]

But you get saved in the end of your pain. Every christian have pain until he is saved. If not have pain he will not be saved. And it is comes from God. Remember martyrs.

Hebrews 12:8: But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

 

[Sketcher]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

This message seems contradictory. What is there to bounce back from if you never experience it? Also, there's 2 Corinthians 1:3-11 which I take over the word of any so-called teacher who would tell me that it won't exist in the minds of those God saves.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

I guessing this is partly down to responses including mine on your post yesterday. Im in England and its now a rainy spring morning here.

Being a Christian and filled with the Holy Spirit does not mean we wont suffer and doesnt mean we wont be ill. What it does mean is that Jesus is our Rock - Matthew 7:24-27, our strong shield, our strong tower, our strength, our Saviour, our Lord, our King, Strong Deliverer, etc, etc, he gives us the armour of God, fruit of the spirit, etc.

The point being that we will still suffer things in this world but if we have a solid foundation in Jesus we are equipped to be able to weather the storm. Things that in our human weakness can seem overwhelming become insignificant in our lives and we are able to cope with far more than we ever expected. I've gone from suffering from depression and anxiety to relatively normal. Its still there in the background trying to raise its ugly head every now and then, but if I stay grounded in Christ I dont suffer from it and can easily cope.

Being a Christian does not automatically mean we are healed of every physical and mental illness, even Peter was led around blind in his old age, but the bible does say we will not suffer more than we can bear. God does heal a lot of issues in people who are saved though. If you want to see an example of someone who has overcome terrible things in their life read Joyce Meyers testimony. I thought I had a bad life until I found out what she went through and like me, her brother who wasnt saved committed suicide because he couldnt cope with the effects of a bad childhood. As I said, Jesus makes it possible to overcome what seems overwhelming.

I am currently doing a bible study on 1 Corinthians 11:23-34 which I am using the Amplified Version for as it uses longer descriptions to try to get to the route of the original words in the original text which can lose something in translation. In 20 years as a Christian I have never really be taught properly on what Jesus did for our healing and it tends to be covered by the general "By His stripes we are healed" with little (if any) deeper understanding. I will at some point start a thread on it to get other peoples views, or feel free to do it yourself. You need to go deeper into, not give up on, the One who can get you through the storm.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

There is something called God's grace and it is giving only because of being humble.
There is no other way to receive it. With God's grace you can be saved.
You have to keep God's law. If you do mortal sins you can't be saved.
Baptism in the name of the holy trinity is just being christian. It is not guarantee you being saved.

Sorry, but I dont agree with this. No one is worthy not even one. Even Paul called himself the greatest of sinners. Gods grace is giving us what we dont deserve. We are deemed to be righteous because of Jesus sacrifice on the cross, not because we are without sin. We should try to be righteous and not sin but we are by nature sinful. If we were able to live sinless lives there would be no need for Jesus and we would not need repentance. And being filled with the Holy Spirit is not just being a Christian. It is exactly what it says, being filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Neogaia777]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

No, or I wouldn't be saved...

You can be saved, but not delivered yet...

God Bless!

 

[mukk_in]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

Sometimes we listen to our spirit and not the Holy Spirit. Elijah was a man of God but ran from a woman, Jezebel. He had to be fed by ravens and be revived by the Lord. As long as we're obedient to the Holy Spirit, we'll never fall. We do have the power to never sin. But sometimes even saints can sin and get depressed (ex: King David). However, they don't have to stay in sin and depression (ex: David's confession to Nathan and subsequent renewal). Hope that helps. God bless .

 

[JacksBratt]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

No

 

[JoeP222w]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

Christians will struggle with sin until the day they die.

John 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."

 

[PropheticTimes]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

I know you have gotten some good advice and some varying opinions. Here is mine:

I have battled with depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts most of my life. I am indeed, without doubt, saved. Yes, the more I focus on my relationship with God the less invasive it all is, but it never goes away completely. Some will say, "Then you can't be Spirit-filled." They are wrong. We will have overwhelming circumstances in our lives, we will have illness (some mental, some physical), we will suffer and struggle. Job struggled with depression. David struggled with it. Abraham, Jonah, Elijah and Jeremiah struggled with it. Jesus had such great anxiety about His impending death in the garden of Gethsamane that "His sweat was like great drops of blood falling to the ground" Luke 22:44 (The clinical term is “hematohidrosis.” “Around the sweat glands, there are multiple blood vessels in a net-like form.” Under the pressure of great stress the vessels constrict. Then as the anxiety passes “the blood vessels dilate to the point of rupture. The blood goes into the sweat glands.).

I have been so angry with God over my depression and anxiety that I have raised my fist at Him and cursed Him. For 2 weeks I felt what it would be like to live apart from Him, and trust me, it was much worse.

What I have found to work for me has been - reading a chapter of the Bible each morning; keeping in constant conversation with Him; keeping my focus on the blessings in my life (that are so easy to lose sight of in the darkness of depression); keeping my thoughts on good, happy, funny, light-hearted things. It takes a lot of work on my part, but it's worth it. The more I learn of Him, the more I notice Him working in my life in even the smallest things, the more my heart has come to truly know He is with me, and the darkness lifts for greater and greater lengths of time (after all, He is the light).

You know my story, Far Side. I had a breakdown so harsh it nearly crushed me to the point of death, but here I am, more in love with God than ever, able to see that He was with me through it all (hindsight is 20/20). If you want to PM me you are more than welcome to and I will do my best to support you and be there for you.

You are in my prayers.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I know you have gotten some good advice and some varying opinions. Here is mine:

I have battled with depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts most of my life. I am indeed, without doubt, saved. Yes, the more I focus on my relationship with God the less invasive it all is, but it never goes away completely. Some will say, "Then you can't be Spirit-filled." They are wrong. We will have overwhelming circumstances in our lives, we will have illness (some mental, some physical), we will suffer and struggle. Job struggled with depression. David struggled with it. Abraham, Jonah, Elijah and Jeremiah struggled with it. Jesus had such great anxiety about His impending death in the garden of Gethsamane that "His sweat was like great drops of blood falling to the ground" Luke 22:44 (The clinical term is “hematohidrosis.” “Around the sweat glands, there are multiple blood vessels in a net-like form.” Under the pressure of great stress the vessels constrict. Then as the anxiety passes “the blood vessels dilate to the point of rupture. The blood goes into the sweat glands.).

I have been so angry with God over my depression and anxiety that I have raised my fist at Him and cursed Him. For 2 weeks I felt what it would be like to live apart from Him, and trust me, it was much worse.

What I have found to work for me has been - reading a chapter of the Bible each morning; keeping in constant conversation with Him; keeping my focus on the blessings in my life (that are so easy to lose sight of in the darkness of depression); keeping my thoughts on good, happy, funny, light-hearted things. It takes a lot of work on my part, but it's worth it. The more I learn of Him, the more I notice Him working in my life in even the smallest things, the more my heart has come to truly know He is with me, and the darkness lifts for greater and greater lengths of time (after all, He is the light).

You know my story, Far Side. I had a breakdown so harsh it nearly crushed me to the point of death, but here I am, more in love with God than ever, able to see that He was with me through it all (hindsight is 20/20). If you want to PM me you are more than welcome to and I will do my best to support you and be there for you.

You are in my prayers.

I really appreciate this because you actually get where I come from .... I just wonder how ill fare alone.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I know you have gotten some good advice and some varying opinions. Here is mine:

I have battled with depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts most of my life. I am indeed, without doubt, saved. Yes, the more I focus on my relationship with God the less invasive it all is, but it never goes away completely. Some will say, "Then you can't be Spirit-filled." They are wrong. We will have overwhelming circumstances in our lives, we will have illness (some mental, some physical), we will suffer and struggle. Job struggled with depression. David struggled with it. Abraham, Jonah, Elijah and Jeremiah struggled with it. Jesus had such great anxiety about His impending death in the garden of Gethsamane that "His sweat was like great drops of blood falling to the ground" Luke 22:44 (The clinical term is “hematohidrosis.” “Around the sweat glands, there are multiple blood vessels in a net-like form.” Under the pressure of great stress the vessels constrict. Then as the anxiety passes “the blood vessels dilate to the point of rupture. The blood goes into the sweat glands.).

I have been so angry with God over my depression and anxiety that I have raised my fist at Him and cursed Him. For 2 weeks I felt what it would be like to live apart from Him, and trust me, it was much worse.

What I have found to work for me has been - reading a chapter of the Bible each morning; keeping in constant conversation with Him; keeping my focus on the blessings in my life (that are so easy to lose sight of in the darkness of depression); keeping my thoughts on good, happy, funny, light-hearted things. It takes a lot of work on my part, but it's worth it. The more I learn of Him, the more I notice Him working in my life in even the smallest things, the more my heart has come to truly know He is with me, and the darkness lifts for greater and greater lengths of time (after all, He is the light).

You know my story, Far Side. I had a breakdown so harsh it nearly crushed me to the point of death, but here I am, more in love with God than ever, able to see that He was with me through it all (hindsight is 20/20). If you want to PM me you are more than welcome to and I will do my best to support you and be there for you.

You are in my prayers.

Wow hematohidrosis... As an anatomy student I kinda knew that right away. lol
Yeah god understands our anxiety....I just still feel ill be alone and that's scary to me. Because I've been alone all my life ----

 

[PropheticTimes]

I really appreciate this because you actually get where I come from .... I just wonder how ill fare alone.

I was alone. After my breakdown everyone in my life took off, they couldn't "deal with it" (I used to say I wish I could run off somewhere away from myself because I couldn't deal with it either). What I found was that it forced me to lean on God only and taught me deep lessons I would have never learned otherwise.

I know it's hard. I know it's lonely to feel like everyone around you treats you like you have the plague. Please trust me when I say it is not forever. If you work at it, all of it will strengthen you and your faith and you will come to a point where you become comfortable with who you are and where you are. Then people will start to come into your life, but you will have such a strength in God that you are glad they are there, but you don't depend on them for your self-worth.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I was alone. After my breakdown everyone in my life took off, they couldn't "deal with it" (I used to say I wish I could run off somewhere away from myself because I couldn't deal with it either). What I found was that it forced me to lean on God only and taught me deep lessons I would have never learned otherwise.

I know it's hard. I know it's lonely to feel like everyone around you treats you like you have the plague. Please trust me when I say it is not forever. If you work at it, all of it will strengthen you and your faith and you will come to a point where you become comfortable with who you are and where you are. Then people will start to come into your life, but you will have such a strength in God that you are glad they are there, but you don't depend on them for your self-worth.

What exactly did you do, how did u work at it step by step? I need like a list... And yeah I understand being treated like a plague, I feel people avoid me because I feel I wear a sign that says depressed. Another person I thought was my friend told me this, when I said I wish I could be near her when she was pregnant, she basically said **** no, your panic attacks are too bad...

And I'm like wow.. I guess our friendship was never that deep to begin with..,so I'm not talking to her. I'm tired of being shooed away,,,and loving people more than they love me and uplifting people more than they do me.

That comment kind of broke my heart because I can't help what I struggle with.

 

[PropheticTimes]

What exactly did you do, how did u work at it step by step? I need like a list... And yeah I understand being treated like a plague, I feel people avoid me because I feel I wear a sign that says depressed. Another person I thought was my friend told me this, when I said I wish I could be near her when she was pregnant, she basically said **** no, your panic attacks are too bad...

And I'm like wow.. I guess our friendship was never that deep to begin with..,so I'm not talking to her. I'm tired of being shooed away,,,and loving people more than they love me and uplifting people more than they do me.

That comment kind of broke my heart because I can't help what I struggle with.

oh my goodness, you're like a little me lol I will work on typing up some stuff for you to help

 

[RaymondG]

Not true

Cooper, the hymn writer struggled with suicidal thoughts his whole life. He wrote hymns like 'God works i mysterious ways his wonders to behold....' A good book on it was written by John Piper in the Swans are not Silent Series

So you are basing your answer on the fact that you were 100% sure that this person who wrote Hymns was filled with the spirit of God and had the mind of Christ and was also suicidal?

 

[RaymondG]

Let's clarify some details.

Are you perfect ie you always, totally express and live out the mind of Christ within you? If not then there will be areas where a person still has the past very much alive. I am sure ytou don't claim perfection and full maturity in Christ.

Paul in Romans 12:1-2 wrote about the renewing of our minds as an ongoing process. Elsewhere we are encouraged to 'grow up in Christ' meaning we have yet more to learn and develop.

Then, we are more than just minds. Emotions are very real and can have a genuine independence from our mental processes.

Scripture nowhere directly addresses what we call 'mental health'. It is unwarranted to attach general biblical principles to specific conditions that are real, complex and powerful. That is a confusion of categories. And often very confusing and condemning for anyone already struggling with a sense of guilt and failure.

John
NZ

no dont know anything about my perfection, and you cant. Even if I told you yes or no, you would then have to chose to believe or not. The only one you can know and change is yourself.

When you are born from above, you are a new creature....old things are passed away ....behold, all things are new. What is this talk about still having a past? God forgets your past.... and you should as well.

The bible doesnt talk about mental illness? God can heal all manner of sicknesses and diseases. All of them and there is nothing impossible to those who believe.

Your beliefs are good and fine. But we shouldnt lower the standards and beliefs of others to our own. I may only be able to move a pebble with my beliefs. But This doesnt mean I should hinder those who want to move mountains...

If you want to stay in illness, that is find. But we serve a God who can remove them all..

 

[RaymondG]

So basically what you are saying is that everyone who experiences mental illness isn't saved? I beg to differ.

I never question the salvation of another. It is perfectly fine for you to believe that, once filled with the holy spirit, the spirit cannot protect you from mental illnesses.

Just keep in mind that you are encouraging others to believe this as well. I prefer to believe that God is more powerful than any negative force or disease.