Is the RFID Chip the Mark of the Beast?

[RDKirk]

Also, you've not addressed concerns about the "evolution" of the Mark throughout history. Money was invented in the form of gold coins, and then changed to coins of lesser value like silver, bronze etc, and then changed to paper currency, and then to credit cards, on to smart cards, internet banking, phone banking and eventually they will take the microchip off the cards, out of the phones/computers and put them in the body itself.

How coincidental that world banking technology is moving to a system where people will use a "mark" in their body to buy/sell. At some point we must ask ourselves why people stubbornly refuse to address the issue of buying and selling. Could it possibly have something to do with the insidious nature of the root of all evil?

What if the method evolves beyond that? Embedded chips are already technologically obsolescent.

Right now, I can do business in some government agencies with a retinal (head!) or fingerprint (hand!) scan--no embedded chip needed. Much cheaper, quicker, and easier than embedded chips. The government can record retina and fingerprint patterns at birth or any time afterward for many different purposes.

I'm not disagreeing with your assertion of what the real system of the world is--and I can even say more in support of you for that.

I'm just saying you're focusing too hard on the method. Satan is smarter than that, he's a master of camouflage, concealment, and deception. The method you're watching for will not be the method he uses.

 

[Christian Seasteader]

(retinal (head!) or fingerprint (hand!) scans are) much cheaper, quicker, and easier than embedded chips. The government can record retina and fingerprint patterns at birth or any time afterward for many different purposes.

I think you've got it backwards. RFID uses simple radio technology to interface. With scale, I'm pretty sure you could build an RFID reader into every computer, tablet and phone sold for pennies. They could probably be engineered to use the wi-fi that's already there! Fingerprinting and retina scanning everyone on the planet would be vastly more expensive than inserting RFIDs. Right now it costs $45 USD to RFID a pet. But RFIDs are getting smaller and I can easily forsee a time in the near future what they could be injected with a syringe. At that time they it becomes as easy as getting a flu shot!

I'm just saying you're focusing too hard on the method. Satan is smarter than that, he's a master of camouflage, concealment, and deception. The method you're watching for will not be the method he uses.

I certainly agree RFID might not be the method. I'm personally not as certain it's as imminent as some folks think. Twenty or thirty years from now there could be something like RFID but microscopic in size which might make them REALLY cheap to administer.

-CS

 

[RDKirk]

Right now it costs $45 USD to RFID a pet. But RFIDs are getting smaller and I can easily forsee a time in the near future what they could be injected with a syringe. At that time they it becomes as easy as getting a flu shot!

It costs only pennies right now to take a retina or fingerprint scan. It can be done without you even knowing it.

 

[Clickster]

No its not the "Mark". When the mark comes it will be after the antichrist has been revealed and every single person will have to make a definite decision on accepting it or not. There will be no I'm not sure if I took it or not, you will know before what it is.

Not to mention the text speaks of the mark on the hands OR FOREHEAD... That part seems to always be left out by those who buy into the RFID bit. Do you really think the RFID will go between your eyes?

I agree with this post and was going to post something similar.

 

[Christian Seasteader]

It costs only pennies right now to take a retina or fingerprint scan. It can be done without you even knowing it.

These are the cons to retinal scan:

Measurement accuracy can also be affected by severe astigmatism
Measurement accuracy can be affected by a disease such as cataracts
Scanning procedure is perceived by some as invasive
Not very user friendly
Subject being scanned must be close to the camera optics
High equipment cost

It doesn't look like it can be done w/o subjects knowledge. And the equipment cost is high.

Fingerprints is probably an option, I agree, although I personally see a need for home/mobile use for internet transactions and RFID would be perfect for that. RFID would be quicker too. A grocery clerk would only need a quick close proximity swipe for ID verification. Fingerprint readers are VERY fussy. We use them at my job. They're problem prone w/ very dry and very oily skin. It often take 3-4 scans before it'll accept a fingerprint. RFID wouldn't have any of these problems. We use RFID at my job too - in our name badges. And they ALWAYS work. I've never had a single problem in the 2 years we've used them.

The MOTB does function like a biometric, I agree too. It's just that the bible says it'll be on the forehead or right hand.

Peace,

-CS

 

[Christian Seasteader]

Not to mention the text speaks of the mark on the hands OR FOREHEAD... That part seems to always be left out by those who buy into the RFID bit. Do you really think the RFID will go between your eyes?.

RFID pellets are inserted subcutaneously. Once the tiny insertion scar heals, they're essentially invisible. Right now they're about the size of a big grain of rice -- but in the future they're only going to get smaller and harder to notice. (and easier to insert). Right now, they could go under an eyebrow and be invisible. They don't need to be pellet shaped either. They can be wider and flatter. Something like that could go right in the middle of the forehead and be essentially invisible. Right now in May, 2013.

 

[Alithis]

RFID pellets are inserted subcutaneously. Once the tiny insertion scar heals, they're essentially invisible. Right now they're about the size of a big grain of rice -- but in the future they're only going to get smaller and harder to notice. (and easier to insert). Right now, they could go under an eyebrow and be invisible. They don't need to be pellet shaped either. They can be wider and flatter. Something like that could go right in the middle of the forehead and be essentially invisible. Right now in May, 2013.

and is more likely to be inserted in the temple .
but in the less high tech nations its quite likely to be a simply visible mark /tattoo ., what ever

 

[Ian Ferrin]

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[Omena]

I sort of thought that this tread was moving away from the specifics of how RFID technology works, and more onto the practicalities of how the MOTB will be used, how to avoid it, etc.

Nevertheless, I agree with Christian Seasteader that fingerprint and retinal scans don't provide the same level of options/multi-uses as an RFID microchip. Implanting a microchip in yourself could essentially be like having a computer under your skin. It could be used for opening doors, going online, making phone calls, the list goes on. They can also be used to store digital information locally, whereas fingerprints/retinas do not, meaning there would need to be a much larger global server to hold all the information pertaining to each person's individual fingerprint.

I still think retina and fingerprint scans could play a roll in the system (like they do now), but as far as the MOTB goes, it wouldn't be as practical or convenient.

By the way, CS, I noticed you commented on the fact that eventually the chips could be small enough to be inserted with a syringe. I've seen a news report where a stockbroker was receiving the chip using a syringe (albeit a fairly large one), so it seems they're already reached that level. I agree, though, they can continue getting smaller and smaller.

 

[Omena]

Hi CS, I just wanted to ask you a bit about your thoughts on using RFID technology at your workplace. I know that badges are not the MOTB, but I've recently been thinking about how all these advancements in banking technology, smart cards for buses, etc. are moving us closer and closer to the MOTB system.

This is a question for everyone I suppose. What do you think about the idea of removing ourselves from these advancements now. Sort of like jumping off the conveyor belt before it's too late. The reality is that we won't be able to do banking, traveling, or much of anything without the MOTB in the future. Do people think there are benefits to weaning ourselves off these things now, so that it's not such a shock when the MOTB comes in? Practically speaking, this could mean not renewing a passport which has an RFID chip, for example.

 

[RDKirk]

You can't wean yourself. You need a community.

 

[Omena]

Hi RDKirk,

Can you elaborate on that a bit more? I guess what I meant by "weaning" is getting ourselves used to the discomforts of not being able to buy things because we don't credit card, or not being able to travel because we don't have a passport etc.

But the concept of a community is a good one too. I think communal living will be great for spiritual support (if nothing else) during those times.

 

[candle glow]

I'm just saying you're focusing too hard on the method. Satan is smarter than that, he's a master of camouflage, concealment, and deception. The method you're watching for will not be the method he uses

Hi Kirk. You've still not addressed the issue of buying and selling. I'm open to the Mark taking any physical shape. But that really is beside the point when compared to the spiritual lesson God is trying to teach us through this prophecy.

Why would the beast make it an issue of buying and selling? What advantage is there in that? Can you see any connection between this prophecy linking the beast with buying/selling, and what Jesus said in the gospels about how we cannot work for God and money at the same time without cheating on one or the other?

I sort of thought that this tread was moving away from the specifics of how RFID technology works, and more onto the practicalities of how the MOTB will be used, how to avoid it, etc.

Good point!

 

[RDKirk]

Hi RDKirk,

Can you elaborate on that a bit more? I guess what I meant by "weaning" is getting ourselves used to the discomforts of not being able to buy things because we don't credit card, or not being able to travel because we don't have a passport etc.

But the concept of a community is a good one too. I think communal living will be great for spiritual support (if nothing else) during those times.

Wait, wait, now. I don't know what you actually have in mind when you say "communal living," but I am not talking about Christians cloistering themselves away from society the way the Amish and many Mennonites do. That is not being "in the world" as we are supposed to be.

Rather, we probably need to look more to both the model of the congregation at Jerusalem in Acts 2/4 and the model Jews used during their centuries of systematic persecution in Europe. This was communal in thought and operation, but not communal in physical location.

We can create a communal economy without having to physically cloister in communes. I strongly agree we should do that right now, and not just because of a fear of the future, but because it's what we should have been doing all along.

 

[RDKirk]

Hi Kirk. You've still not addressed the issue of buying and selling. I'm open to the Mark taking any physical shape. But that really is beside the point when compared to the spiritual lesson God is trying to teach us through this prophecy.

I didn't address it because I don't have a disagreement with you about that.

I would just not count on the mark being anything that is readily idenfiable except through the Holy Spirit. Satan is more clever than all of us put together--except through the Holy Spirit. But Satan cannot deceive even the most foolish of us who listens to the Holy Spirit.

The mark you're expecting and talking about in Christian forums will almost certainly not be the mark that Satan uses.

 

[candle glow]

Rather, we probably need to look more to both the model of the congregation at Jerusalem in Acts 2/4

Hi Kirk. Why would you assume that Omena was NOT talking about the early church described in Acts 2 and 4 when he talked about communal living?

Also I didn't see anything in what Omena said about people "cloistering" themselves away. He said that communal living is good for spiritual encouragement. Are you disagreeing with what he actually said by responding to something he did not say?

 

[candle glow]

I didn't address it because I don't have a disagreement with you about that

Ok thanks for clarifying that, kirk. Did you also see my explanation about how Jesus' teachings from the gospels, regarding money, also relate to the spiritual lesson behind the Mark? Do you have any thoughts on that?

 

[Omena]

Wait, wait, now. I don't know what you actually have in mind when you say "communal living," but I am not talking about Christians cloistering themselves away from society the way the Amish and many Mennonites do. That is not being "in the world" as we are supposed to be.

Rather, we probably need to look more to both the model of the congregation at Jerusalem in Acts 2/4 and the model Jews used during their centuries of systematic persecution in Europe. This was communal in thought and operation, but not communal in physical location.

We can create a communal economy without having to physically cloister in communes.

No, I wasn't necessarily talking about everyone packing themselves away together, though I would expect that as Christians being persecuted in the last days, many of us would naturally begin to live together for many reasons (protection, communication with other believers, etc.).

But the main thing I was hoping to discuss is this idea of "weaning" ourselves from the system (which we all know is eventually leading us to the MOTB). Consider yourself as someone who has a couple of bank accounts, a passport, credit cards, the whole shabang...then one day, after months (or maybe years) of successfully avoiding the microchip implant, you're told that if you want to continue traveling, banking, or whatever, you will need to finally give in and accept the microchip (MOTB). Suddenly you go from one end of the spectrum to the next. You need to give up A LOT if you want to stay true to your beliefs, which is much easier said than done (especially if you have a family who is unwilling to forsake all that).

I see wisdom is avoiding this tempting (and potentially damning) scenario by learning to live without a lot of these conveniences. The reason being that if we accustom ourselves to always accepting the next development in banking technology, it will become confusing and difficult for us to refuse the MOTB when it comes into effect. And THAT conditioning will be a fantastic tool for the AC to deceive many.

 

[RDKirk]

Hi Kirk. Why would you assume that Omena was NOT talking about the early church described in Acts 2 and 4 when he talked about communal living?

Also I didn't see anything in what Omena said about people "cloistering" themselves away. He said that communal living is good for spiritual encouragement. Are you disagreeing with what he actually said by responding to something he did not say?

As I said to Omena:

I don't know what you actually have in mind when you say "communal living,"

 

[Christian Seasteader]

By the way, CS, I noticed you commented on the fact that eventually the chips could be small enough to be inserted with a syringe. I've seen a news report where a stockbroker was receiving the chip using a syringe (albeit a fairly large one), so it seems they're already reached that level. I agree, though, they can continue getting smaller and smaller.

Thanks - Thats very interesting!

This is a question for everyone I suppose. What do you think about the idea of removing ourselves from these advancements now. Sort of like jumping off the conveyor belt before it's too late. The reality is that we won't be able to do banking, traveling, or much of anything without the MOTB in the future. Do people think there are benefits to weaning ourselves off these things now, so that it's not such a shock when the MOTB comes in? Practically speaking, this could mean not renewing a passport which has an RFID chip, for example.

Just because the antichrist is going to use a technology for evil, doesn't mean the technology itself is evil. And don't forget, IF RFID is the technology used for the MOTB, it will most likely be connected to the antichrist thru the internet. If you're going to remove yourself from MOTB technology, you probably need to remove yourself from the internet too!

Personally, I will not take the MOTB but I'm going to keep on using the potential technology until they tell me I have to put it on/in my right hand or forehead.

But I'm prepared! I think that many Christians may be in denial that a possible technology for the MOTB is already here. There are no technological hurdles to cross. A global system could be implemented using current technology. I'm keeping watch: "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."

Peace - CS