Is the RFID Chip the Mark of the Beast?

[candle glow]

Not taking the mark of beast will almost automatically place us into the camp of persecution, although the Revelation does talk about a "wilderness" which the believers will flee into for protection of some sort.

I'm more inclined to think the wilderness will be something like anonymity, since the Mark is unlikely to be a visible mark from the outside (especially if it is an implantable chip), though I'm open to other interpretations.

Because of this, I think it is unlikely that a refusal to take the Mark will lead to any immediate persecution, especially if we keep quiet about personally not taking it.

I think it's more likely to be our admonishments against anyone taking it which will lead to us eventually being persecuted. There are many ways to witness and protest, some of which are more bold while some are more subtle.

We will need wisdom and constant contact with God to know which method he wants us to take from day to day.

 

[brodav9]

I have heard that there are a few grams of sianide inside the chip which can kill you if they want to. Also have heard that the mark of beast could be alien DNA. The true issue is to take the mark proclaims one is loyal to anti-Christ.
This is considered equal to blaspheme.

 

[Hinton90]

I have heard that there are a few grams of sianide inside the chip which can kill you if they want to. Also have heard that the mark of beast could be alien DNA. The true issue is to take the mark proclaims one is loyal to anti-Christ.
This is considered equal to blaspheme.

Yeah I heard about the cyanide thing.

Absolutely horrific, and it is something everyone will have to go through, not just the Christians.

I'll be telling my whole family not to take the RFID chip. Some of them are not religious, and I'll be explaining how they can track you 24/7 and that it's coated with Cyanide. If any of them take it I will truly be devastated. I hope you all do the same!

I can tell you for a 100% fact that the government is preparing for a lot of people to resist it, and it won't be pretty, but keep your mind and heart on God and take whatever they do to your temple, be it torture or if you're lucky enough, a quick death, as the ultimate sacrifice for your faith.

DO NOT fight back. I've had people tell me they were going to board up their house and use their guns to make a final stand. It is FUTILE. Most of our military are brainwashed enough to enforce this. Not to mention, Jesus tells us to NOT fight back.

When the date draws near when the RFID chip is to be released, pray, pray, pray, pray, and pray some more for people to wake up and realize that it's a horrendous thing. Pray that The Lord will come sooner rather than later to stop the imminent chaos. Pray for the people who took the RFID without knowing the repercussions.

Like it says in The Bible. I wish it was going to be easy, but it will be horrific, but stand firm because The Lord is with us.

 

[RDKirk]

Most of our military are brainwashed enough to enforce this.

Nobody in the US military is brainwashed in any way. Period. I'm not even going to argue any such silliiness any further.

 

[RDKirk]

I have heard that there are a few grams of sianide inside the chip which can kill you if they want to. Also have heard that the mark of beast could be alien DNA. The true issue is to take the mark proclaims one is loyal to anti-Christ.
This is considered equal to blaspheme.

Silliness.

 

[CallingInTheDesert]

I'm sure you've heard about these chips, they go in your dominant hand or your forehead (as said in the bible).

What are your thoughts? I've talked to a few pastors who say it undoubtedly is, due to its tracking power and other vile things that it is capable of.

NO !!

The mark of the beast is a spiritual mark, just like the mark that the Holy Spirit marks souls with is also a spiritual mark.

The mark of the beast is put IN the hand or forehead. The mark of the Holy Spirit is also put IN the forehead of the chosen ones.

Why the hand is used - is because it represents our works. Why the forehead is used - is because it represents our thinking and beliefs, which is where all our works come from.

These physical chips might someday be put into the skin of a person, but it is not the spiritual mark of the devil or the mark of God which is discussed in Revelations.

The devil's realm is spiritual, and God's realm is spiritual, and these are each spiritual marks of evil or good, which are on the inside of people.

 

[RDKirk]

NO !!

The mark of the beast is a spiritual mark, just like the mark that the Holy Spirit marks souls with is also a spiritual mark.

The mark of the beast is put IN the hand or forehead. The mark of the Holy Spirit is also put IN the forehead of the chosen ones.

Why the hand is used - is because it represents our works. Why the forehead is used - is because it represents our thinking and beliefs, which is where all our works come from.

These physical chips might someday be put into the skin of a person, but it is not the spiritual mark of the devil or the mark of God which is discussed in Revelations.

The devil's realm is spiritual, and God's realm is spiritual, and these are each spiritual marks of evil or good, which are on the inside of people.

This is what I actually think, too.

 

[Hinton90]

NO !!

The mark of the beast is a spiritual mark, just like the mark that the Holy Spirit marks souls with is also a spiritual mark.

The mark of the beast is put IN the hand or forehead. The mark of the Holy Spirit is also put IN the forehead of the chosen ones.

Why the hand is used - is because it represents our works. Why the forehead is used - is because it represents our thinking and beliefs, which is where all our works come from.

These physical chips might someday be put into the skin of a person, but it is not the spiritual mark of the devil or the mark of God which is discussed in Revelations.

The devil's realm is spiritual, and God's realm is spiritual, and these are each spiritual marks of evil or good, which are on the inside of people.

Can you explain how it coincides almost perfectly with the new world order? We have what? 3 more countries to go to war with before the entire world is under one government?

I see what you're saying, but I don't believe in coincidences. Everything happens for a reason.

There are also things in place right now that make it perfectly reasonable that it's the mark. I won't go into those, because it's something nobody needs to know, and is so horrific I just don't like to think about it.

 

[RDKirk]

According to Matthew 4, the kingdoms of the world were already under one government at least by the time of Christ.

 

[CallingInTheDesert]

Can you explain how it coincides almost perfectly with the new world order? We have what? 3 more countries to go to war with before the entire world is under one government?

I see what you're saying, but I don't believe in coincidences. Everything happens for a reason.

There are also things in place right now that make it perfectly reasonable that it's the mark. I won't go into those, because it's something nobody needs to know, and is so horrific I just don't like to think about it.

I actually see most of the things in Revelations as already happened, as in the past, as in the first few hundred years after Christ.

But, many of these things happen over and over again, because of the wickedness of evil and man's selfish nature. It is the never ending battle between good and evil - at least until the last card is played by God, when He does away with all evil, where all evil is thrown into the eternal lake of fire.

 

[Alithis]

I'm more inclined to think the wilderness will be something like anonymity, since the Mark is unlikely to be a visible mark from the outside (especially if it is an implantable chip), though I'm open to other interpretations.

Because of this, I think it is unlikely that a refusal to take the Mark will lead to any immediate persecution, especially if we keep quiet about personally not taking it.

I think it's more likely to be our admonishments against anyone taking it which will lead to us eventually being persecuted. There are many ways to witness and protest, some of which are more bold while some are more subtle.

We will need wisdom and constant contact with God to know which method he wants us to take from day to day.

??
it is the born again Israel who get taken to the wilderness where the beast cannot touch them - then he returns enraged from failing to destroy them and goes to make war on all the others who call upon the name of the lord Jesus .. its not figurative

 

[Alithis]

NO !!

The mark of the beast is a spiritual mark, just like the mark that the Holy Spirit marks souls with is also a spiritual mark.

The mark of the beast is put IN the hand or forehead. The mark of the Holy Spirit is also put IN the forehead of the chosen ones.

Why the hand is used - is because it represents our works. Why the forehead is used - is because it represents our thinking and beliefs, which is where all our works come from.

These physical chips might someday be put into the skin of a person, but it is not the spiritual mark of the devil or the mark of God which is discussed in Revelations.

The devil's realm is spiritual, and God's realm is spiritual, and these are each spiritual marks of evil or good, which are on the inside of people.

I can see where you are coming from with this statment but can you be so absolute sounding ?
it is certainly spiritual ..but it is also an outward mark .
everything evil spiritually has a desire to have manifestation - demons inspired men to make images ..these images were a physical manifestation inspired by the demon behind it .
we need to balance it in all the words about it - for example , how would a hidden spiritual mark cause a person who does not have that mark to not be able to "buy or sell "? - from this we see that while being spiritual ,it has an outer manifestation .. a "mark "

also just a correction if i may -in the greek the word used is "ON" the hand ..not In .

{greek}charagma
emblem/carve effect (mark){not inserted in but put "on" }
{greek} epi
. on (not in)

Also there is some interesting study out and about displaying good argument for the use of just such a tattoo type symbol used in Johns Greek writing of revelation, that when the same symbol that john used is turned on its side, (loose version im giving ) it resembles the Islamic word for "submit" that is to say a person who receives that mark is one whom has submitted ..
and that some extremist groups already use this symbol/on the scarves they tie over their "foreheads"

 

[candle glow]

I'll be telling my whole family not to take the RFID chip. Some of them are not religious, and I'll be explaining how they can track you 24/7 and that it's coated with Cyanide. If any of them take it I will truly be devastated. I hope you all do the same!

It's highly unlikely that the chip will be used for murder (i.e. coated with poison). And, that doesn't deal with the spiritual lessons behind the mark, i.e. man's dependence on money and the AC's attempts to exploit that dependency.

There will be no need to force anyone to take the Mark. People will voluntarily take it because they will want to feed themselves. They will want to feed their families. They will want to continue getting paid and to pay the bills.

This is exactly why people will NOT recognize (whether consciously or not) the Mark, no matter what shape it takes. There is no need for the Mark to overtly represent some kind of religious statement (like a tattoo or whatever). The real point is to force people to choose between the values of God's kingdom, where people work for love, or the AC's system, where people only help each other if there is payment involved.

Also, the issue about tracking may be valid and useful information for people to be aware of, but once again, it still does not deal with what the Revelation says is the real purpose of the Mark; to buy and sell.

 

[candle glow]

The mark of the beast is a spiritual mark, just like the mark that the Holy Spirit marks souls with is also a spiritual mark.

The prophecy says it's purpose is to buy and sell. You can't buy and sell with a purely spiritual Mark. It makes no sense. I understand what you say about using money in the hand and thinking thoughts in the head etc, but then again, people have been using their hands and minds for thousands of years.

The Mark represents a final line in the concrete. No more pretending. No more masks. People will either start living by the values of Heaven, where we work for love, or they will continue working for the values of the system, where people only help one another for wages so that they can buy and sell.

 

[candle glow]

also just a correction if i may -in the greek the word used is "ON" the hand ..not In .

Do you believe "IN" Jesus, or "ON" Jesus? Does it really matter either way? It's the same with the Mark being "in" the hand or "on" the hand. A microchip implant could fit either definition, depending on which way you look at it.

Certainly, there is enough evidence connecting the "buy and sell" from the prophecy with the "buy and sell" of microchip implants to make anyone wary, regardless of technicalities about "in" or "on", right?

 

[Hinton90]

The prophecy says it's purpose is to buy and sell.

This is the #1 thing that completely debunks it being purely spiritual.

If you take The Bible as law, you won't just ignore this statement, I think people have been ignoring it here that say that it is purely spiritual.

I suggest, if you think it's 100% spiritual and the RFID is definitely not the mark, that you at least wait a few months to see the effects of the RFID chip. See if the Cyanide thing is right, if people start dying left and right, people will talk about it. See if the new world order goes into place and the temple of Jerusalem is rebuilt, putting everything into place for the end of the world. Make an informed decision. Even if you think there's no way the RFID can be the mark, you should at the very least be weary of it... Not being weary of something with SO MANY warning signs is just setting yourself up for failure, the ultimate failure, at that.

 

[Omena]

Two very convenient doctrines with regards to the end times, are: 1) the rapture will happen before any kind of persecution/tribulation, and 2) the mark is purely spiritual, so you can accept a microchip used for buying and selling with no worries.

While I don't believe number one myself, I don't feel it's the most important of the two issues, because some people will be able to get over the shock when they are not taken up into the clouds early on. However, the second doctrine places people in a real dilemma. If we teach others that the mark is in no way physical, they will almost certainly damn themselves by accepting a microchip to be used for buying and selling.

Of course people love to hear this twisted teaching, because it means they can completely disregard the warnings about the mark as long as they have asked Jesus into their hearts. I've actually heard of this being preached in churches before (i.e. the pastor himself believed the RFID chip was the MOTB, but that he would accept it on the basis that "God wouldn't want him and his family to suffer"!).

Always people leave out the part of the verse which says "buy and sell", in much the same way they casually glaze over the teachings of Jesus about money. We're talking about the root of all evil here, it's not something we can afford to disregard.

 

[Hinton90]

Two very convenient doctrines with regards to the end times, are: 1) the rapture will happen before any kind of persecution/tribulation, and 2) the mark is purely spiritual, so you can accept a microchip used for buying and selling with no worries.

While I don't believe number one myself, I don't feel it's the most important of the two issues, because some people will be able to get over the shock when they are not taken up into the clouds early on. However, the second doctrine places people in a real dilemma. If we teach others that the mark is in no way physical, they will almost certainly damn themselves by accepting a microchip to be used for buying and selling.

Of course people love to hear this twisted teaching, because it means they can completely disregard the warnings about the mark as long as they have asked Jesus into their hearts. I've actually heard of this being preached in churches before (i.e. the pastor himself believed the RFID chip was the MOTB, but that he would accept it on the basis that "God wouldn't want him and his family to suffer"!).

Always people leave out the part of the verse which says "buy and sell", in much the same way they casually glaze over the teachings of Jesus about money. We're talking about the root of all evil here, it's not something we can afford to disregard.

Well said, I'm afraid a lot of people will do the same thing as your preacher. . I'm not sure how this type of martyrdom will be seen in the eyes of God, but he makes it VERY VERY VERY clear that if you take the mark, you're doomed. Since he's a preacher, he should know better than most that death due to faith is the ultimate sacrifice. Yes, it will be absolutely horrific to see people die of starvation, but in the end why does it matter? If we get the kingdom of Heaven as a reward? I would trade anything in the world for Heaven. I would die RIGHT NOW in the most painful way possible for Heaven. Wouldn't you?

I also don't agree with pre-trib rapture due to 0 scriptural evidence, and that it only being a teaching that started in 1750. If it is true? Then GREAT!

More scriptually accurate would be mid-trib (3 1/2 years of AC), or post trib (several instances of God wanting us to go through tribulation).

I'm really hoping people at least think there's a possibility it's not pre-trib, because if they keep thinking that, they won't be ready for the tribulation. I'm ready to go through the whole 7 years, if need be.

Why? Because people are going to say "I thought The Lord was going to rapture us, where are you Lord? WHERE ARE YOU?" And then lose faith. I don't want to see that happen...

 

[Mazzaroth]

This is the #1 thing that completely debunks it being purely spiritual.

You know for awhile there I thought the same thing, but then I found this:

Proverbs 23:23
"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding."

If accepting Jesus Christ's teachings is considered "buying the truth", it becomes less clear if the mark of the beast is something literal or subsequent of a mentality (see Deuteronomy 6:8 as well).

 

[RDKirk]

This is exactly why people will NOT recognize (whether consciously or not) the Mark, no matter what shape it takes. There is no need for the Mark to overtly represent some kind of religious statement (like a tattoo or whatever). The real point is to force people to choose between the values of God's kingdom, where people work for love, or the AC's system, where people only help each other if there is payment involved.

That the actual mark is spiritual does not mean that it is not represented by a physical action. As has been mentioned, those who in whom the Holy Spirit abides bear the seal of the Holy Spirit, and that seal is indeed spiritual (at least I have never seen a Christian walking around with "JC" stamped on his forhead).

Yet, it has manifested itself in people unwilling to accept liberty or even life from ungodly kings. I see that Kim Jong Un has just created the North Korean Orthodox Church...a means by which, perhaps, North Korean Christians will be allowed to "buy and sell" in his country, as long as they keep their beliefs within the boundaries he draws for them. But will they? If not, they will continue to be forbidden from "buying and selling" because of the seal they bear--the seal of the Holy Spirit.

But if the mark is to be something physical, it could be something like this, or like this...both of which could in a very short time become necessary for virtually transactions in the predictable future.