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Is the Earth Flat?

Degrees of Earth flatness:

  • It's not flat. It's a giant, spinning spaceball.

    Votes: 90 82.6%
  • It's flat, but all the other planets are giant, spinning spaceballs.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It's flat, and a dome surrounds it.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • It's flat, a dome surrounds it, and the Earth is the center of the universe.

    Votes: 5 4.6%
  • It's flat, domed, and planets/stars are actually illusions/objects in the dome.

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • It's all of the above, and the government is covering it all up at the behest of Satan.

    Votes: 8 7.3%

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Yet you still cannot produce a model that works with everything we observe

If i quit my work and had several million's in the bank. I could take flights and fly from different points and again and again and again an get a good idea of placement of the land masses over the ocean.

But i do not have that ability/privileged, so i am fine with what information God has provided in The Bible. It is enough that i know science is lying about most of God's creation.
 
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Who cares? In reading the NT I can find no discussion by any of the disciples or Apostles on the shape of the earth! It does not matter.
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If i quit my work and had several million's in the bank. I could take flights and fly from different points and again and again and again an get a good idea of placement of the land masses over the ocean.
You don't need to. Flight data is readily available to anyone and everyone for flights between major cities all over the world. You and your co-believers have had that data available for decades. Still no flat earth model that can work with what has been observed for all that time.
 
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You don't need to. Flight data is readily available to anyone and everyone for flights between major cities all over the world. You and your co-believers have had that data available for decades. Still no flat earth model that can work with what has been observed for all that time.
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Unlike you i make my on observations, outside of simply believing God at His word.
 
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I've already described it to you. You are taught you are on a ball hurling through open space. That is your paradigm. Everything you see or hear from that point on is only understood by you within that framework because to you, there are no other explanations you will accept. Maybe think it over a bit until you understand.
I do not know what you are trying to say. If you look through a telescope you can basically buy from internet and see rotating planets, its fake, somehow?

If you use GPS, Galileo, satellite internet or satellite TV... its also fake/conspiracy? What about spaceX, space programs of EU, USA, Russia, China, India... all conspiracy?

Meteorological satellites? Mars rovers? Moon rovers?

Its not just about a paradigm, its simply technically impossible for the Earth to be stationary and flat.
 
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They have moved into the area of the suns light and so when you will be able to see them again. Means that this group of stars has move out of the suns light and can be seen again in the early morning and eventually night sky as they move further away from the suns light.
And where is that now?
The sun, moon and stars move above out head in courses given to them by God.

Just like in in summer the sun has moved over the equator closer to the north star so America and all other areas/places on this side of the equator has summer. So after June 21st the sun will began to move back the other way. This has been working this way since God set them in the sky.
What "equator"? I thought your Earth was flat. The equator is a circle about the Earth furthest from the north pole. (Not to mention people in Australia, New Zealand, and southern Africa see entirely different stars as you or I.)
 
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I do not know what you are trying to say. If you look through a telescope you can basically buy from internet and see rotating planets, its fake, somehow?

If you use GPS, Galileo, satellite internet or satellite TV... its also fake/conspiracy? What about spaceX, space programs of EU, USA, Russia, China, India... all conspiracy?

Meteorological satellites? Mars rovers? Moon rovers?

Its not just about a paradigm, its simply technically impossible for the Earth to be stationary and flat.
It's not, but thanks for playing. We can converse again once you get a basic understanding of the FE concept.
 
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And where is that now?

What "equator"? I thought your Earth was flat. The equator is a circle about the Earth furthest from the north pole. (Not to mention people in Australia, New Zealand, and southern Africa see entirely different stars as you or I.)

Well if these stars began to appear again in say Sept/Oct etc.. i would say they are somewhere around the sun now traveling over the earth. Eventually moving past the sun so these stars move farther away from the sun they will again be seen. And as they eventually move back closer to the sun again they will go from being seen to not being seen.

The equator is a circle not a sphere

They see different stars because they are seeing the stars that move in their area for their time. Just like they are having colder weather now, while we have summer.
 
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Well if these stars began to appear again in say Sept/Oct etc.. i would say they are somewhere around the sun now traveling over the earth. Eventually moving past the sun so these stars move farther away from the sun they will again be seen. And as they eventually move back closer to the sun again they will go from being seen to not being seen.
This makes no sense and has no congruence with reality.
The equator is a circle not a sphere
Of course it is. All intersections between a plane and a sphere are circles. But, the concept of equator has no meaning on a flat Earth.
They see different stars because they are seeing the stars that move in their area for their time. Just like they are having colder weather now, while we have summer.
"Move to their area"? What nonsense is this? If the Earth is flat I should be able to see the stars above Argentina as it is night at the same time there as it is here. Why can they see stars we can't and vice versa?
 
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All you'd need to do is teach people their whole lives the earth is a globe and that anyone with a different opinion is stupid. Then everything is just conformed to the paradigm given. No massive cover-up needed. Sort of how entire generations have been taught we went to the moon, and now they not only believe the lie without question, but also defend it.

This doesn't actually address any points I made.

It doesn't matter how many times you tell people it's stupid to believe in a flat Earth, if the Earth is flat then a lot of people are going to know it because it's not possible to do their jobs without that information. Yet all these people, who are ordinary people (not some kind of high level agent clearly devoted to the cause who is granted access to top secret materials) keep this going without revealing what's really going on despite not really having any incentive to. Similarly, nothing seems to be gained by this massive conspiracy despite all the effort that must be put into it.

A century ago, schools were still teaching a flat earth. A change of educational material resulted in an established lie.
People believed in a round Earth a century ago and for centuries before that. Maybe you could find a few fringe people who held otherwise, but the round Earth was widely believed in and taught.

You talked about what schools were teaching. Okay, here is a geography textbook, "Lessons in Geography for Little Learners" from 1889 for use in schools:

Right there it says "What is the shape of the Earth? The Earth is round like a Ball."

Looks like a century ago people were teaching a round Earth in schools. Let's look at some other older books written for usage in schools from the last century or two.

Sadliers' Elementary Geography (1880):
"What is the shape of the Earth? It is round like an orange."

Cornell's First Steps in Geography (1876):
"What is the shape of the Earth? The Earth is round, like an orange or a ball."

So it looks very much like they were teaching in schools that the Earth was round, even more than a century ago. Indeed, a round Earth was believed in--at least in the West--for centuries upon centuries before that. For just one example, Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century had this to say in his work Summa Theologiae:

"Sciences are differentiated according to the various means through which knowledge is obtained. For the astronomer and the physicist both may prove the same conclusion: that the earth, for instance, is round: the astronomer by means of mathematics (i.e. abstracting from matter), but the physicist by means of matter itself. Hence there is no reason why those things which may be learned from philosophical science, so far as they can be known by natural reason, may not also be taught us by another science so far as they fall within revelation. Hence theology included in sacred doctrine differs in kind from that theology which is part of philosophy."

Now, to preempt misunderstandings, I'm not arguing "Aquinas said it so it's true" (he got some science stuff wrong as he lived in the 13th century without some knowledge of subsequent developments); the point is that he not only believed the Earth was round, he took it so for granted he could use it as an example of how to prove the same thing in multiple ways. And this was back in the 13th century. Of course, it goes back farther than that--I merely thought Aquinas in particular was a good example because of how clearly for granted he takes it.
 
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This doesn't actually address any points I made.

It doesn't matter how many times you tell people it's stupid to believe in a flat Earth, if the Earth is flat then a lot of people are going to know it because it's not possible to do their jobs without that information. Yet all these people, who are ordinary people (not some kind of high level agent clearly devoted to the cause who is granted access to top secret materials) keep this going without revealing what's really going on despite not really having any incentive to. Similarly, nothing seems to be gained by this massive conspiracy despite all the effort that must be put into it.


People believed in a round Earth a century ago and for centuries before that. Maybe you could find a few fringe people who held otherwise, but the round Earth was widely believed in and taught.

You talked about what schools were teaching. Okay, here is a geography textbook, "Lessons in Geography for Little Learners" from 1889 for use in schools:

Right there it says "What is the shape of the Earth? The Earth is round like a Ball."

Looks like a century ago people were teaching a round Earth in schools. Let's look at some other older books written for usage in schools from the last century or two.

Sadliers' Elementary Geography (1880):
"What is the shape of the Earth? It is round like an orange."

Cornell's First Steps in Geography (1876):
"What is the shape of the Earth? The Earth is round, like an orange or a ball."

So it looks very much like they were teaching in schools that the Earth was round, even more than a century ago. Indeed, a round Earth was believed in--at least in the West--for centuries upon centuries before that. For just one example, Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century had this to say in his work Summa Theologiae:

"Sciences are differentiated according to the various means through which knowledge is obtained. For the astronomer and the physicist both may prove the same conclusion: that the earth, for instance, is round: the astronomer by means of mathematics (i.e. abstracting from matter), but the physicist by means of matter itself. Hence there is no reason why those things which may be learned from philosophical science, so far as they can be known by natural reason, may not also be taught us by another science so far as they fall within revelation. Hence theology included in sacred doctrine differs in kind from that theology which is part of philosophy."

Now, to preempt misunderstandings, I'm not arguing "Aquinas said it so it's true" (he got some science stuff wrong as he lived in the 13th century without some knowledge of subsequent developments); the point is that he not only believed the Earth was round, he took it so for granted he could use it as an example of how to prove the same thing in multiple ways. And this was back in the 13th century. Of course, it goes back farther than that--I merely thought Aquinas in particular was a good example because of how clearly for granted he takes it.

It does answer your question actually.


Here's an actual person admitting she was taught flat earth in public school a century ago. So much for your books.

 
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It does answer your question actually.


Here's an actual person admitting she was taught flat earth in public school a century ago. So much for your books.


So either Ruth had a badly informed or dogmatic teacher in school or her memory is failing. So far you've got one elementary school (possibly one room school) and one teacher teaching a "flat earth" in the 1920s. You've found your black swan, but provided no evidence that it was even common. We know creationism was often taught in the public schools at the time despite being already understood to be scientifically wrong. Finding a "flat earth teacher" isn't any different or more correct.
 
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We know creationism was often taught in the public schools at the time despite being already understood to be scientifically wrong. Finding a "flat earth teacher" isn't any different or more correct.

Conflating issues is not good


At least we know flat earth is nonsense
 
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It's not, but thanks for playing. We can converse again once you get a basic understanding of the FE concept.
There is no working FE concept. Thats why you are unable to answer any simple question related to our daily life.

Did you know that Galileo is a global satellite navigation system fully operated by civilians? Its not military, if you are afraid of military conspiracies.
 
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So either Ruth had a badly informed or dogmatic teacher in school or her memory is failing. So far you've got one elementary school (possibly one room school) and one teacher teaching a "flat earth" in the 1920s. You've found your black swan, but provided no evidence that it was even common. We know creationism was often taught in the public schools at the time despite being already understood to be scientifically wrong. Finding a "flat earth teacher" isn't any different or more correct.
My point was that flat earth was still being taught in school a century ago. I then proved my point. Everything else is just 'extra' that you brought to the conversation that does nothing to negate my point. I do realize the globe lie is over a century old, and thank you for providing support for that fact as well.
 
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My point was that flat earth was still being taught in school a century ago. I then proved my point. Everything else is just 'extra' that you brought to the conversation that does nothing to negate my point. I do realize the globe lie is over a century old, and thank you for providing support for that fact as well.

I really don't get why you guys fall for this "flat earth" lie. Because it is just that -- a lie. Is it some sort of extreme contrarianism?
 
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There is no working FE concept. Thats why you are unable to answer any simple question related to our daily life.

Did you know that Galileo is a global satellite navigation system fully operated by civilians? Its not military, if you are afraid of military conspiracies.

I've answered your questions several times. I'm sorry you don't understand the subject, but that's not my fault. I'm not here to change your mind. I really couldn't care less what you think on the subject. Feel free to defend the globe lie with all your strength. When you are done, it will still be a lie, and the FE truth will still be available to you.

I'll continue talking about the FE topic as often and as much I want. If you feel I'm in error, go ahead and prove a globe, should you desire to do so.
 
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