Sabbathkeeper&Wife
1Corinthians 13:2 - agape
Hi Jerry, again, trumped with an .abbreviation,.....what's sdo? Thanks, and good to hear from ya
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you quote you pretty well in that regard.
But in the actual Bible we find that there is only "ONE Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 and the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33 is it.
And is unchanged in the NT as we see in Hebrews 8:6-10
And from Adam to this very day -- the same. It is for all mankind. "God so loved the WORLD that He gave" not "God so loved just-the-jews that HE gave" even before the cross.
The point remains. IT is what Paul calls the "ONE Gospel"
Not in real life. In real life the earthly promises of temporal prosperity had nothing at all to do with the millennium.
God never had a plan for Israel to be lost wicked people - but with lots of temporal blessings and toys in this life. Sin and rebellion was always going to get them rejected by God just as it got the world destroy by a flood centuries before.
I don't agree with any of that - except that they are back slidden and as Romans 11 points out have the offer of the Gospel given to them just as do we all.
in Christ,
Bob
sabbathkeeper&wife,
1. If keeping the Old Testament law of sdo on Saturday was for the church in Paul's day it would not have been a shadow of things to come. Jerry kelso
True - the Bible Sabbath of Genesis 2:1-3 is not a "Shadow of things to come" it is a memorial of the Gen 2:1-3 act of God according to God Himself in Exodus 20:11
True - the Bible Sabbath of Genesis 2:1-3 is not a "Shadow of things to come" it is a memorial of the Gen 2:1-3 act of God according to God Himself in Exodus 20:11
I thought a Sabbath day's journey was from the tents to the tabernacle of around 2000 cubits. Half a mile or less by our measurements? It was also on foot IIRC. When you get time, can ya explain 26 miles? Thanks
3. Exodus 16:23 was about the sabbath and given I have shown this man the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 and it was given to commemorate the Red Sea deliverance and not the sabbath of Genesis 2:3 which they could not remember because of not being there.
The sabbath day was not a memorial of the Old creation which was cursed by sin. If it was it would only be right that it would be done away with and a new sabbath would have to be instituted as a memorial of the new creation of Christ.
Hi, Jerry
Genius 2:3-
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work
which God created and made.
I assume that this is the reason for the Sabbath.
Leviticus 26:2-4-
Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
Ezekial 20:29-
And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
But THEN, even as now-
Jeremiah 17:27-
But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.
Hebrews 4:8-9-
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
You need to seriously look at the origin of your new Sabbath. Even the ONES that changed it claim that there is no scriptural basis, but by THEIR own power. ALL paganism originated in Babylon and has been carried into ALL churches, even the SDA. The false prophet of Revelations is nothing more than an extension of Rome and are OUR protestant churches -who refuse to be held responsible for their actions. They belittle the authority of the Most High God and what His Son, Jesus Christ, brought to the world through His teaching. The kingdom of God is far from mainstream Protestantism belief and practice while most simply claim the "blood of Jesus" and continue in unrighteous behavior- thinking that God overlooks the abominations and total disregard for His commandments. It comes from the same pile of lies that originated in Babylon, adopted into what became the church of Rome, then never was filtered out of Protestantism as new light and truths were revealed.
As this new light is uncovered, we are commanded by God to " Come out of her, my people, lest you receive of her plagues". According to the words of Jesus, there will be but few who make it. It is my hopes that folks wake up to the apostacy that is so rampant in what we've come to believe as truth. Here's another quote to ponder on from the "instead of" herself. Peace be with you.
Quote from Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror- Dec 23, 1893 (Just prior to the counter reformation being put into full swing, thus disguising what EVERY protestant in the entire world knew as fact before 1900!)
"Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is IMPOSSIBLE. "
Their words, not mine. The origin of Sunday worship is pagan as is any who pay homage to Rome through the keeping of such whether they admit it or even realize it. It is apostate practice. People have been indoctrinated into believing a lie, one obviously of GREAT importance because it's warned against throughout the WORD of God, which people seldom search with humility daily as they are too busy defending their actions against keeping the commandments of God as stated in Rev 14:12- and MANY other scriptures. The TRUTH is irrefutable and stands forever!
Hi Jerry, The Sabbath, blessed and sanctified in the very beginning is the same Sabbath still kept today. It starts at sundown and ends at sundown. Rome made midnight the dawn of a new day just like they made the man made Sabbath . You follow man's doctrine or you follow God's. Theres no middle ground to God. It is also impossible to keep everyday as a Sabbath unless you are on life support. I hear that one all the time. Of course, any God fearing person worships each and every day, giving reverence to the Most High, yet Sabbath day, which is called that in most languages still, is the day set aside for doing no work, nor requiring it from your servants or your beasts of burden. It is our rest, and our rest in Jesus. Rome uses the excuse of the ressurection to change the Sabbath of the Lord, yet still insists it is due to her ecclesiastical authority, which is above God's in her eyes and writings, while even stating that there is no scriptural backing and also claims that ALL who keep Sunday pay homage to her. It was the pagan venerable day of the sun which pagan Rome kept, as it is still the venerable day of the sun still kept today. You can call it the Lord's day if you want to. It's not my Lord's day nor the day of the Lord that John on the isle of Patmos was referring to. The prophecies are crystal clear as to her Babylonial pagan origin as the practices were brought all the way through ALL the world kingdoms and the Bible clearly states that she also has daughters, offspring of the mother church, as she so calls herself. I am not God and can make no claim as to whether you will face punishment for what you do as it's between you and God, but what I do know is that people , God's people are commanded by God to come out of her or pay the price. This HER is the pagan affluenced church that exists today and has since not long after the Apostles fell asleep. By 331 ad, it was "official" as Constantine, the Emporer of Rome swapped over from paganism, which ruled Rome for 600 years, to a muddy type of Christianity which still carried all the practice and statues of pagan Rome- and still does today. It's paganism with a Jesus hat. Well actually that's not even right because they wear a fish mitre on their head from the pagan fish god , Dagon. I know from historical writings that every protestant, pre-1900 or so, as well as in the writings of OUR forefathers, was very aware of her atrocities and persecution, her abominations and that she fit the bill on every aspect. There is a very powerful group from within this church that is totally committed to the destruction of Protestantism and they use every method they can think of, including breeching the govts, the schools , rewriting history and especially the churches and slowly change how people think. You can read all this from THEIR doctrines, as you can see it in the ecumenical movement today. The world wants UNITY with the one that hates Christians. I still see the left overs that were never changed by the churches that pulled out of her, and today, we see her rising again and the Protestant churches beginning to succumb to her authority as are the politicians and kings of the earth as she slowly indoctrinates everyone in her path. Do you not see the Islamic ties to the papacy? They hate Christians too and are more than happy to oblige in some of the dirty work. Most don't have any idea of the meaning of protestant. I'm simply stating that we are commanded to warn people by God Almighty of these abominations and that the picture will get even clearer as time goes by but the ability to get out will be hindered also. I don't know if it's totally by physical force, but most likely by spiritual deception like what runs rampant today. Scripture says that the followers of Christ will once again face persecution for being obedient, eventually even unto death. A classic example was Rwanda in only 1994! 20 years later, you get a 3 line write up in the censored newspaper with pathetic apologies from the church. 800,000 people, mostly Sabbath keepers were butchered with machetes by tribes aided by clergy! We're talking about priests AND nuns! They are opportunistic, to say the least. There's zero accountability for what happened either. Paganism has crept into all denominations, never left most and has taken root since early on. Scripture is clear that the dragon heads the whole thing. God does not like it and we will be held accountable for our actions. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, correct. He blatantly explained this in the synagogue on the Sabbath , not in a Roman church on Sunday. Every man's own conscience must be his own guide because he stands alone before the Almighty on the last day at the last trump- bar none. Peace be with you.
Hey Jerry, quick question for you... do you refrain from physically stealing, how about murdering someone, do you honour or dishonour your parents, is bearing false witness against your neighbour something you strive not to do? How is this "legalistic" keeping of the Law different than keeping the 7th day Sabbath?
Just as with these other Commandments, where there is so much more to understand about them in the spirit, so it is the same with the 7th day Sabbath. The day does not change because it was immortalized at Creation but our approach and attitude towards it is different then when the OT Jews kept it. Separating from the world, not just physically, but also from our own pleasure and spending the day communing with our God in prayer, fellowship, study, contemplation, nature etc, are what God desires from us. He is not concerned with the multitude of burdens the Jews placed upon it.
Just as not committing murder is still in effect for the 6th Commandment, it is so much more to us now, it envelopes anger and hatred in our hearts, something the OT Jews didn't understand... that is the new covenant. God was not in error, we were in our understanding. That is why Jesus came to teach us this proper understanding of the Law... how it reflects God's Character.
You can believe that and that is fine and I won't condemn you. Jerry kelso
What is the greater benefit for keeping it on Saturday versus Sunday or any other day?
Clearly, these people are not concerned with what God wants. He could not be more clear... they want a tailormade, just for me and my circumstances religion that tickles their ears and keeps them comfortable..... Because that's what God set aside as the day of rest and regeneration WITH Him. What's the advantage of keeping a day, a PAGAN day that clearly was subjugated by the " AM NOT" rather than the" I AM" ?
Yet your actions speak otherwise.... as Sabbath Keeper said, why come into an Adventist room to tell us these things if you are not judging/condemning us? At least stand up and admit what you are doing.
.... Because that's what God set aside as the day of rest and regeneration WITH Him. What's the advantage of keeping a day, a PAGAN day that clearly was subjugated by the " AM NOT" rather than the" I AM" ?
Clearly, these people are not concerned with what God wants. He could not be more clear... they want a tailormade, just for me and my circumstances religion that tickles their ears and keeps them comfortable.
Clearly, these people are not concerned with what God wants. He could not be more clear... they want a tailormade, just for me and my circumstances religion that tickles their ears and keeps them comfortable.
Clearly, these people are not concerned with what God wants. He could not be more clear... they want a tailormade, just for me and my circumstances religion that tickles their ears and keeps them comfortable.