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Is it good to help a disabled widow by cutting her grass?

Is it good to help a disabled widow by cutting her grass?

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Suppose I lived on a high mountain...
Okay, keep going. Unless you're just joking.

Jesus was not on a high mountain, but he was in the wilderness for 40 days. Unless he came back on the Sabbath, he missed the holy assemblies during that time.

Keeping in mind the thread topic about whether it is good to mow a widow's lawn on the Sabbath, is it good to follow the spirit into the wilderness with no other humans around for 40 days?
Because I live on a planet that has only 1 hour a week... ??
No, because it's a thought experiment, as is the op.

You become aware of the widow's need just before sunset on Friday. But you're planning to leave in an hour to drive 4 hours to speak at a Sabbath assembly that you committed to be at.
Your argument as usual "is with the text".
I'm not arguing with the text, it seems clear enough to me :)

Is this allowable work on the Sabbath?
 
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your text 1 Tim 3:2 does not say to mow the grass on Sabbath.

2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching,

But of course - you can "Be the husband of one wife" on Sabbath
You can "be above reproach" on Sabbath
you can "be self-controlled" on Sabbath
you can "be skillful in teaching" the Bible - on Sabbath.
you can be hospitable on Sabbath
Is it good to be hospitable on the Sabbath?

Is this action good? Would this have been allowed on the Sabbath?
Mowing the grass AND being a good leader? Yes that is possible.
Now back to the Sabbath topic.
Absolutely! Keeping in mind that we want our posts to reflect
 
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err - the opposite.

Oh I see that now! I was typing too fast yesterday, you are right! The Sabbath was made for man!
1. In what way was "lawn mowed on Sabbath or else death" supposed to be the problem the lady was facing???
2. "Lawn mowed" appears to be an item of "convenience", rather than life-or-death and there are 6 days not sanctified at all -- that can be used for that .

Oh I didn't say that it was life or death to do it on Saturday. WHy would that even matter? Because if it were a matter of life and death, then that would be speaking spiritually, right? In which case it would still be ok to do her a good deed on the sabbath.
But if your conscience tells you don't mow this lady's grass on Sayurday, pivk another day, then I don't have a problem with it. I'm sure the neighbor lady would be ok with I can't today mamm, but I can do it Monday or whenever? She would be ok with that, especially if you were doing it gratis!

Story!:
No matter what trade you are in, you will over time get side jobs that pay cash. Friends, extended family, their friends. I'm a HVAC guy so I got the side job no heat. Those can be very good because it is so easy to save people money but cutting out the corporate overcharge that the man who gets the side job can also make 2 to 3 times what he makes in his day job. In my day job, it was like this company had most of the churches on aaccounts and we kept those churches running warm and cool, lol!

Over time I had been thinking this out, I always invited Jesus to go to work with me. So when we were going to His House (Church) to work...that made Jesus my Mechanic's helper (as well as Mechanic senior if thrown a curve ball, lol! And on top of that, He was the customer also. Yes, yes I did walk lightly in those Churches! I always did the best I could do. I've been chewing on these things for awhile off and on and then suddenly, the side job I told you about rings my phone. I go there and it is a No-Heat call so I repair the heating unit and clean up and goo back out to the truck to make up the bill.

I was thinking, I want them to get a good deal. But I would like to make something too, right? And he scripture pops into my head about do your work as unto the Lord (as if He is the Customer!) SO I said, Hmmm. Lord, how much should I charge them?
He answered me right away. The Lord said to me, I havent told you to charge them anything. Did not you give your life unto me? Do I not own it? The bill means nothing to you.../

And I felt about two inches tall as He said those things!
Needless to say the cold people in the house that day were warm and very happy.

It was a little bit of a struggle within me. I had already spent some of that money in my head, lol! But that's ok because that's how the Lord rolls. And I knew that what He said was right. I had just never thought about it like that before.
 
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Oh I didn't say that it was life or death to do it on Saturday. WHy would that even matter?
If one ignores enough of the Word of God -- then for them any ol excuse is a good one for ignoring one of God's Commandments. I think you will agree that such a thing does exist.

Paul say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Just when others suggest that -- any ol excuse will do for setting one or more of them aside.

Notice what Christ says about that particular idea in Mark 7:6-13??

Because if it were a matter of life and death, then that would be speaking spiritually, right?

One could move a law mower that was about to fall on someone's head... for example of "life or death".

many "good things" can be done "for the sake of convenience" such as rolling up a garden hose or washing the car. But almost every Christian on planet earth would admit that choosing the sanctuary as the place to do it - in the middle of a worship service - makes it all wrong.
But if your conscience tells you don't mow this lady's grass on Sayurday, pivk another day, then I don't have a problem with it.
Are you ok with letting the Bible say that?

Isaiah 58:
13 “If, because of the Sabbath, you restrain your foot
From doing as you wish on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a pleasure, and the holy day of the Lord honorable,
And honor it, desisting from your own ways,
From seeking your own pleasure
And speaking your own word,​

Are you ok with the fact that almost all Christian denominations are on record affirming that the Commandments of God include the TEN - and are written on the heart under the New Covenant just as scripture says in Jer 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8??

I'm sure the neighbor lady would be ok with I can't today mamm, but I can do it Monday or whenever? She would be ok with that, especially if you were doing it gratis!
No doubt - the person would be fine with that.

The question I think we are asking is - "no matter that she is fine with it being done on Monday... does the Word of God mean so little to us that we deliberately do it to violate the word of God regarding the Sabbath commandment - anyway?"
Over time I had been thinking this out, I always invited Jesus to go to work with me. So when we were going to His House (Church) to work...that made Jesus my Mechanic's helper
Do you find any indication that on Sabbath Jesus went to the temple to paint the walls, repair the steps, spruce up the bushes, trim the grass, plant some landscaping???
I was thinking, I want them to get a good deal. But I would like to make something too, right? And he scripture pops into my head about do your work as unto the Lord (as if He is the Customer!)

Which is a good rule for all of the "daily grind" activities. But God calls us to set all that aside on His Holy Day -- the Lord's Day - the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.
And I felt about two inches tall as He said those things!
Needless to say the cold people in the house that day were warm and very happy.
Unlike our current weather conditions here in the south east, there are times when temperatures are so extreme that the church would have to be closed if it were not heated or it had no A/C. Sometimes alternate scheduling , a change of venue etc has to happen due to an emergency. No doubt.
 
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Oh I see that now! I was typing too fast yesterday, you are right! The Sabbath was made for man!


Oh I didn't say that it was life or death to do it on Saturday. WHy would that even matter? Because if it were a matter of life and death, then that would be speaking spiritually, right? In which case it would still be ok to do her a good deed on the sabbath.
But if your conscience tells you don't mow this lady's grass on Sayurday, pivk another day, then I don't have a problem with it. I'm sure the neighbor lady would be ok with I can't today mamm, but I can do it Monday or whenever? She would be ok with that, especially if you were doing it gratis!

Story!:
No matter what trade you are in, you will over time get side jobs that pay cash. Friends, extended family, their friends. I'm a HVAC guy so I got the side job no heat. Those can be very good because it is so easy to save people money but cutting out the corporate overcharge that the man who gets the side job can also make 2 to 3 times what he makes in his day job. In my day job, it was like this company had most of the churches on aaccounts and we kept those churches running warm and cool, lol!

Over time I had been thinking this out, I always invited Jesus to go to work with me. So when we were going to His House (Church) to work...that made Jesus my Mechanic's helper (as well as Mechanic senior if thrown a curve ball, lol! And on top of that, He was the customer also. Yes, yes I did walk lightly in those Churches! I always did the best I could do. I've been chewing on these things for awhile off and on and then suddenly, the side job I told you about rings my phone. I go there and it is a No-Heat call so I repair the heating unit and clean up and goo back out to the truck to make up the bill.

I was thinking, I want them to get a good deal. But I would like to make something too, right? And he scripture pops into my head about do your work as unto the Lord (as if He is the Customer!) SO I said, Hmmm. Lord, how much should I charge them?
He answered me right away. The Lord said to me, I havent told you to charge them anything. Did not you give your life unto me? Do I not own it? The bill means nothing to you.../

And I felt about two inches tall as He said those things!
Needless to say the cold people in the house that day were warm and very happy.

It was a little bit of a struggle within me. I had already spent some of that money in my head, lol! But that's ok because that's how the Lord rolls. And I knew that what He said was right. I had just never thought about it like that before.
That's a great story! And suppose you were fixing the disabled widow's furnace for free on the Sabbath. Would that be good? I think so!
 
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Okay, keep going. Unless you're just joking.

Jesus was not on a high mountain, but he was in the wilderness for 40 days. Unless he came back on the Sabbath, he missed the holy assemblies during that time.
Is it your claim that when you forsake the assembling of yourselves together you are doing it because like Christ you are 100% fasting and praying during those days... or are you just trying to find a way to go after "the text" again?
 
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Is it your claim that when you forsake the assembling of yourselves together you are doing it because like Christ you are 100% fasting and praying during those days...
No, that's not my claim :)
or are you just trying to find a way to go after "the text" again?
I'm exploring ways to apply the whole counsel of God to our lives :heart:
 
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If one ignores enough of the Word of God -- then for them any ol excuse is a good one for ignoring one of God's Commandments. I think you will agree that such a thing does exist.

Paul say "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Just when others suggest that -- any ol excuse will do for setting one or more of them aside.

Notice what Christ says about that particular idea in Mark 7:6-13??



One could move a law mower that was about to fall on someone's head... for example of "life or death".

many "good things" can be done "for the sake of convenience" such as rolling up a garden hose or washing the car. But almost every Christian on planet earth would admit that choosing the sanctuary as the place to do it - in the middle of a worship service - makes it all wrong.

Are you ok with letting the Bible say that?

Isaiah 58:
13 “If, because of the Sabbath, you restrain your foot​
From doing as you wish on My holy day,​
And call the Sabbath a pleasure, and the holy day of the Lord honorable,​
And honor it, desisting from your own ways,​
From seeking your own pleasure​
And speaking your own word,​

Are you ok with the fact that almost all Christian denominations are on record affirming that the Commandments of God include the TEN - and are written on the heart under the New Covenant just as scripture says in Jer 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8??


No doubt - the person would be fine with that.

The question I think we are asking is - "no matter that she is fine with it being done on Monday...


Do you find any indication that on Sabbath Jesus went to the temple to paint the walls, repair the steps, spruce up the bushes, trim the grass, plant some landscaping???


Which is a good rule for all of the "daily grind" activities. But God calls us to set all that aside on His Holy Day -- the Lord's Day - the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

Unlike our current weather conditions here in the south east, there are times when temperatures are so extreme that the church would have to be closed if it were not heated or it had no A/C. Sometimes alternate scheduling , a change of venue etc has to happen due to an emergency. No doubt.

Wow you must have inadvertantly read way way too much into my post! Wow.

Are you ok with letting the Bible say that?

You seem to be implying that I said the exact opposite of the way I intended it. You misunderstood me. No one said, go out of your way to not keep the Lord's Commandments! I spoke of doing what one's conscience nudges them to do. Would I personally mow the lady's grass on Saturday? Yes sir, I would go ahead and mow her grass and be at peace about it with my conscience.

How far does your conscience go? Didn't you say that winding up her hose may be ok or something else which is a very small task?

Israeli people may be aghast at how much you would breeak the Lord's Commandments?! In Israel they can't even push an elevator button on the Sabbath. I have heard that the hotels there program the elevators so that they stop at every floor going both ways so all one has to do is to wait and then walk into the elevator on Sayurday...(And you just wound up a lady's hose?!!! How could you!)

I personally believe that you are not wrong in what you have said (except about me, lol). The Israeli's are not wrong. I am not wrong either.

So don't anyone break any of God's commandments. A lot hinges on obedience. The Lord dosn't ask much from us and we should all gladly give to the Lord (at least) a days time, once a week. It doesn't sound like much. It's not.
 
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It's fascinating to see some take the side of Pharisees over that of Christ arguing that it's okay to dismiss the need of others simply because it's Saturday.
 
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That's a great story! And suppose you were fixing the disabled widow's furnace for free on the Sabbath. Would that be good? I think so!

Of course that would be good! I was Mechanical cotractor for around 25 years and extra parts just add up for these jobs. I've did mercy calls also when, I did not have the part for it and neither did I have the money to buy it and neither did they! So it can be touch and go sometimes, lol. We did get the part for her it took a few of us to chip in but we got her heat on, Praise the Lord!

Another time when I was in Colorado a blizzard rolled in on saturday and I got a No-Heat call from the (elderly lady's) family and they gave me the address and I went to her home and it was already down to 53 degrees. That's too chilly for an elderly lady. Luckily I am a good tech so had confidence that I could get her heat back on. Except my luck ran out on this one. She had a bad computer board, and I didn't have a replacement on my truck! I called the supply house after hours number and he looked it up and siad he could have it Monday for sure. And this was Saturday night.

That's too long for this nice older lady. It was cold in there! What was broken was the computer board and more specifically the portion which turns on the induced draft motor (IDM) for the vent. So in reaity all that was wrong was a micro relay. So what I did was to install a ones of those little peanut relays and wired it in with the low voltage thermostat wire to kick the relay and just rerouted the IDM wire to run through the relay. It worked and the heater ran fine. I even tesed it and cycled it through several cycles to make sure it brings on everything ok, which it did. Those little peanut relays are 0.15 amps. In other words, less than 1/4 amp, so there was no danger. The Lady had heat! So Monday I could come with the new board and change that in 15 minutes and everybody happy! Right?

Wrong. Somebody in the family has a buddy who is an hvac tech (lol) and they brought him over to see how I could make it run without a new board (Temporarily, until Monday)...and he did not know what he was looking at. All he could see was wires everywhere and what was that guy thinking?! So he shut off the nice elderly lady's heat and told her she was lucky that I didn't burn her house down!!

He apparently fixed it for her bright and early monday. Replaced her main gas control (was working when I left!) and the computer board. And left his grandma with no heat on Sunday, what a jerk! They called me up wanting $650 dollars for the repairs that her son/son in law/ whoever and I'm liable because my wiring almost burnt down her house and did fry the gas control too, so Pay $650. or we sue you!!

Wow. I was over there trying to help. I did help. But I know my job. Adding a componant into an electrical system changes the UL Listing! For real, a big no no. However, the colder it gets, the more you can get away with. This nice lady needed her heater very bad!
I know electrical circuits. If you add something to an existing system, it has an amp draw and that is how people have had electrical fires. And my relay was rated for .15 amp, not enough to heat anything up!. I wanted to help and I thought I did but when I looked at this nice old lady, I knew I can not say no to her. It was already cold in the house! And it was supposed to get colder and I had to make a choice. And so I chose the nice lady over the letter of the law.

When the daughter (?) called me and threatened to sue me for the 650, I tried to explain that the guy they said my work was bad has to be a 1st year apprentice or something, because what I did was right. She needed heat! And she hee hawed about it. I said take me to court, I'll bring in in an electrical engineer and we'll all talk electrical ciruits with your 1st year heater guy that you are relying on. I don't think he knew how to troubleshoot her electronic furnace, so he guessed at the gas control and it still didn't work, so he had to go get the board, Lol! Of course I never heard from her again. She didn't sue anybody.

I felt so bad because I looked bad, to some at least. I was there on a mission of goodwill. I got her call at quitting time and very much could have put it off until 1st thiing in the morning. I was bushed. But they said she was elderly and so needed her heat very much. If she wouldn't have let the family heater guy (lol) look at the job she would've had heat all weekend and for about $350 it wuold have been. (I wouldn't have needed a new gas control, Lol!

I guess the moral of this story is, you can be a hero but you might have to remain unsung and misidentified anyway? Win some you lose some. When life deals you lemons, make lemonade, Praise the Lord!
 
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We're supposed to be careful to entertain strangers because sometimes they don't know it but they are Angels in disguise. And there's at least a couple refrences in scripture to even Jesus being called an Angel or Angel of Light. SO take care to do all of your work, as if you were working for Jesus Himself, because it could be Jesus Himself.

I could imagine Jesus diguising Himself as a sweet littlt old lady! What? You wouldn't help out that nice lady who needed (whatever?)? Lol! Be careful!

I have heard several Testimonies on Youtube where people have said that Jesus came to the disuised. One guy, Bradford, say the Lord came to him as a very large black man with an intimidating voice, so he missed Jesus's invitation that time! And the Lord told him later it was Him, and Braford says Lord can I have another chance?! And the Lord said yes and the 2nd time the Lord came in disguise it was as a homeless man in church, and He sat in the very back row. Now Bradford was keen to the Lords tricks I think (the Lord does have a wonderful sense of humor!) so he said as soon as his eyes fell on the homeless man sitting there with His head back he thought that would be a great disguise for the Lord and wouldn't take his eyes off of him and walked up there and met the Lord. That's the condensed version, lol.

The gist of the lesson that the Lord was teaching Bradford was that he should be able to see Jesus in everyone that he meets. To be able to have so much love for the person that it's like how Jesus looks at them and you see only Jesus. And if your worst enemy is there you should be focused so much on the Lord that He is all you see in your enemy!

I was feeling my spiritual oats one time and prayed that the Lord to teach me how to love other people the same way that He loves me!

It took about 2 days and the most obnoxious individual in the neighbrohood is in my house. Let's just say, that wasn't much fun, lol. Haha Lord! What a sense of humor!

It's true though. I have not acheived that, but I can see it. Bless your enemies, all of that makes so much sense now! You can even Bless your enemies from afar by Praying for them! I'm not very good at it, but I'm working on it. i am still, unperfected.
 
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That's a great story! And suppose you were fixing the disabled widow's furnace for free on the Sabbath. Would that be good? I think so!

If the Sabbath was made for man, then it was good to fix her furnace on the Sabbath.
 
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Of course that would be good! I was Mechanical cotractor for around 25 years and extra parts just add up for these jobs. I've did mercy calls also when, I did not have the part for it and neither did I have the money to buy it and neither did they! So it can be touch and go sometimes, lol. We did get the part for her it took a few of us to chip in but we got her heat on, Praise the Lord!

Another time when I was in Colorado a blizzard rolled in on saturday and I got a No-Heat call from the (elderly lady's) family and they gave me the address and I went to her home and it was already down to 53 degrees. That's too chilly for an elderly lady. Luckily I am a good tech so had confidence that I could get her heat back on. Except my luck ran out on this one. She had a bad computer board, and I didn't have a replacement on my truck! I called the supply house after hours number and he looked it up and siad he could have it Monday for sure. And this was Saturday night.

That's too long for this nice older lady. It was cold in there! What was broken was the computer board and more specifically the portion which turns on the induced draft motor (IDM) for the vent. So in reaity all that was wrong was a micro relay. So what I did was to install a ones of those little peanut relays and wired it in with the low voltage thermostat wire to kick the relay and just rerouted the IDM wire to run through the relay. It worked and the heater ran fine. I even tesed it and cycled it through several cycles to make sure it brings on everything ok, which it did. Those little peanut relays are 0.15 amps. In other words, less than 1/4 amp, so there was no danger. The Lady had heat! So Monday I could come with the new board and change that in 15 minutes and everybody happy! Right?

Wrong. Somebody in the family has a buddy who is an hvac tech (lol) and they brought him over to see how I could make it run without a new board (Temporarily, until Monday)...and he did not know what he was looking at. All he could see was wires everywhere and what was that guy thinking?! So he shut off the nice elderly lady's heat and told her she was lucky that I didn't burn her house down!!

He apparently fixed it for her bright and early monday. Replaced her main gas control (was working when I left!) and the computer board. And left his grandma with no heat on Sunday, what a jerk! They called me up wanting $650 dollars for the repairs that her son/son in law/ whoever and I'm liable because my wiring almost burnt down her house and did fry the gas control too, so Pay $650. or we sue you!!

Wow. I was over there trying to help. I did help. But I know my job. Adding a componant into an electrical system changes the UL Listing! For real, a big no no. However, the colder it gets, the more you can get away with. This nice lady needed her heater very bad!
I know electrical circuits. If you add something to an existing system, it has an amp draw and that is how people have had electrical fires. And my relay was rated for .15 amp, not enough to heat anything up!. I wanted to help and I thought I did but when I looked at this nice old lady, I knew I can not say no to her. It was already cold in the house! And it was supposed to get colder and I had to make a choice. And so I chose the nice lady over the letter of the law.

When the daughter (?) called me and threatened to sue me for the 650, I tried to explain that the guy they said my work was bad has to be a 1st year apprentice or something, because what I did was right. She needed heat! And she hee hawed about it. I said take me to court, I'll bring in in an electrical engineer and we'll all talk electrical ciruits with your 1st year heater guy that you are relying on. I don't think he knew how to troubleshoot her electronic furnace, so he guessed at the gas control and it still didn't work, so he had to go get the board, Lol! Of course I never heard from her again. She didn't sue anybody.

I felt so bad because I looked bad, to some at least. I was there on a mission of goodwill. I got her call at quitting time and very much could have put it off until 1st thiing in the morning. I was bushed. But they said she was elderly and so needed her heat very much. If she wouldn't have let the family heater guy (lol) look at the job she would've had heat all weekend and for about $350 it wuold have been. (I wouldn't have needed a new gas control, Lol!

I guess the moral of this story is, you can be a hero but you might have to remain unsung and misidentified anyway? Win some you lose some. When life deals you lemons, make lemonade, Praise the Lord!
That reminds me of the story of Jesus healing a man in John 5. Jesus tells him to get up, pick up his mattress, and walk.

Some people will choose to see a man miraculously healed. Others will choose to see a man carrying a mattress on the Sabbath.

 
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It's true though. I have not acheived that, but I can see it. Bless your enemies, all of that makes so much sense now! You can even Bless your enemies from afar by Praying for them! I'm not very good at it, but I'm working on it. i am still, unperfected.
Amen, we're all working on it!

 
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If the Sabbath was made for man, then it was good to fix her furnace on the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 to keep holy Exodus 20:8 by ceasing our works 6 days Exodus 20:9, and keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8-11 the day to honor God by doing His ways, not ours, which means no secular work. Isaiah 58:13. Man was created not to be in rebellion to what God asks, when doing so, it means we are out of harmony with God's will. Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 3:15 Psalms 95:7-8

God said no work on the Sabbath and we can be creative as we want, but it doesn't mean doing so is following God's Word. The examples of Jesus doing good on the Sabbath was never secular work, so we should try to follow His example instead of making up our own. TBH if one is looking for ways to not follow the clear instructions and examples we were given about God's holy Sabbath, means they don't understand the sanctity of the Sabbath and why it is so important, which defeats the whole spiritual blessing one receives when keeping Isaiah 58:13-14. God set aside the Sabbath to spend time with us, the Sabbath is about communion with God but doing good on the Sabbath is also allowed by healing people- a good example of this is through spiritual healing teaching people about God's Word which is the example of the apostles and Jesus Acts 13:42-44, Acts 18:4 Luke 4:16. If we see an animal in the ditch on the Sabbath, we should help it, that's doing good, nothing in the holy scriptures that says we are to work on the Sabbath by helping with neighbor's yardwork or housework, that can be saved when Sabbath is over.
 
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The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27
You are using the verse wrongly again.

In its context, it means the opposite - that the disciples of Christ were allowed to work on Sabbath.
 
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You are using the verse wrongly again.

In its context, it means the opposite - that the disciples of Christ were allowed to work on Sabbath.
You have free will to believe want you want, I already showed context and man was made to honor everything God asks the way He asks, when man deviated from what God commands, everything went south. We can continue in that path or learn from it, we have free will.
 
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You have free will to believe want you want, I already showed context and man was made to honor everything God asks the way He asks, when man deviated from what God commands, everything went south. We can continue in that path or learn from it, we have free will.
You have free will to believe what you want, but the context is telling the story better than you.

Mark 2:27 is about the disciples of Jesus working on Sabbath and Jesus argues that its fine.
 
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