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rachel was like give me children or else I die.
Well we know what happened to her.
Well we know what happened to her.
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I was a surrogate father for a young couple with a sterile husband. They had tried to have children right after they were married. The wife was in the military in the same dorm as my wife and I. I was a newly wed as well. I had given the couple there premarital and marital counseling because of how they admired the relationship between my wife and I. When they found out they couldn't have children of their own they went to their pastor. He suggested the story of Tamar and Onon, the use of the Levirate laws in the OT to provide a child but the husband's younger brother was too young. They asked my wife and I if I would be a surrogate father for them with their pastor's and parents agreement. Before I agreed, we prayed for healing 1st and I also sent him to the pastor and elders to be prayed for and anointed according to scripture. They were in a rust to have the first child while the wife was still in the military to cover medical expenses so a few months later I agreed to be their surrogate.be a surrogate mother, sell your eggs or donate sperm?
On one hand, it could be selfless, you want another person to be a parent.
But on the other hand it could be really selfish. Maybe you doing it for other reasons. Or the wannabe parents are selfish.
But maybe they could be christians. Could they? Do infertile couples who are christians do this or would they be more likely to adopt.
Am just wondering as, it seems older or infertile couples seem willing to go through the expense of IVF and have test tube babies these days. Is it ok for christians to consider having a test tube baby?
Onan's sin was greed! He didn't want Tamar to have a child that would gain the double portion of the eldest son being past to a son of hers. He also used her for sex BUT refused to give her a child. The ONLY purpose for their sexual interaction was for that child.Onan also was sinful in not wiling to marry his widowed brothers wife and instead just donate sperm...on the ground.
Seems to me its unnatural and going against Gods plan.
I am seeing more and more testtube children and often they have gender issues.
Would most surrogates be related to family. Onan was the brother in law. He wasnt married at the time was he. Was it not also he had to Marry tamar? If he had a son by her, then wouldnt he as a parent pass on the inheritance to his own son. What would he have to lose. It wasnt just the child he could have but tamar as his wife.Onan's sin was greed! He didn't want Tamar to have a child that would gain the double portion of the eldest son being past to a son of hers. He also used her for sex BUT refused to give her a child. The ONLY purpose for their sexual interaction was for that child.
The marriage contract was that Tamar's husband was due 50% of Judah's wealth. With her husband dead, a wife could not inherit. She required a child by Judah or one of his sons to gain that inheritance. Without it, she was not fit to gain another good marriage as a widow and could have starved without support.
Onon would only get 25% inheritance if Tamar had a son. If she didn't, Onon would get 66% of Judah's wealth. It was WHY he spilled his seed that angered Yah. He was breaking the marriage covenant of his sister-in-law out of GREED.
The Levirate laws allowed a childless woman to gain an alternate heir by a family member of her husband's line to secure the inheritance and keep wealth within the family.
be a surrogate mother, sell your eggs or donate sperm?
On one hand, it could be selfless, you want another person to be a parent.
But on the other hand it could be really selfish. Maybe you doing it for other reasons. Or the wannabe parents are selfish.
But maybe they could be christians. Could they? Do infertile couples who are christians do this or would they be more likely to adopt.
Am just wondering as, it seems older or infertile couples seem willing to go through the expense of IVF and have test tube babies these days. Is it ok for christians to consider having a test tube baby?
2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."
2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that "entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children."
"Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses' union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person."
2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The "supreme gift of marriage" is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged "right to a child" would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right "to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents," and "the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception."
2379 The Gospel shows that physical sterility is not an absolute evil. Spouses who still suffer from infertility after exhausting legitimate medical procedures should unite themselves with the Lord's Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others
Sorry am trying to make sense of your post I dont recall ever saying surrogates or donors felt sorry for the infertile couple. I dont know if its done out of lust...but it could be the infertile couples fault for wanting something they cant have or wanting someone elses biological child..You know GOODBOOK. We know if a man/woman just thinks of another in lust.. they sinned. So to give away something that was meant for someone aka marriage to is not sin?. Sorry but that BABY would be the mother or father of someone else. So feeling sorry or what ever does not make it ok. We just think that since they didnt sleep together but gave the egg or sperm away ..its ok then?
Thats interesting.In Catholic teaching it is it considered a sin to sell one's eggs, donate sperm, be a surrogate mother, in vitro fertilization (IVF), etc.
Um several problems.I was a surrogate father for a young couple with a sterile husband. They had tried to have children right after they were married. The wife was in the military in the same dorm as my wife and I. I was a newly wed as well. I had given the couple there premarital and marital counseling because of how they admired the relationship between my wife and I. When they found out they couldn't have children of their own they went to their pastor. He suggested the story of Tamar and Onon, the use of the Levirate laws in the OT to provide a child but the husband's younger brother was too young. They asked my wife and I if I would be a surrogate father for them with their pastor's and parents agreement. Before I agreed, we prayed for healing 1st and I also sent him to the pastor and elders to be prayed for and anointed according to scripture. They were in a rust to have the first child while the wife was still in the military to cover medical expenses so a few months later I agreed to be their surrogate.
I have a biological son from that. The couple had 4 children they raised but the latter 3 were the biological offspring of the husband's younger brother once he was older.
As a late teen my son found out about me. We have never met but have spoken on the phone.
I personally see no problem with being a surrogate. It was considered giving the gift of a child to a couple that were close christian friends. It was the 3 other children by the younger brother that caused problems. That brother didn't behave as an uncle for the younger 3 but brought them gifts and mistreated the eldest child that was not his child.