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Featured is deceving the same thing as lying?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Cement, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. martymonster

    martymonster Veteran

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    Why do you ask?
     
  2. gideon123

    gideon123 Humble Servant of God

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    YES .. deceiving is lying.
    There, was that answer crystal clear?

    Plz go to the first Epistle of John. Read the Book! Anyone who does not have truth in his heart - does not have Christ in his heart.

    Well said, John!!!
    We need you back on Planet Earth :)

    These days lying and deception are so rampant, it is almost impossible to find honest behavior any more. You would be better off trying to define ... Honest Behavior.
    Few people seem to have any idea what it is.

    As a simple litmus test, if you are deceiving to gain money, or to gain position or power, then YES you are lying. Do not bother praying to God. First confess your sin, then change your behavior and pray for redemption.
     
  3. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Good point.....something that they have a right to know.
     
  4. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Nonsense. God is about behaving righteously in lovingly caring for others. A spouse setting up a surprise party is behaving in a lovingly and caring manner for the most important person in their life, even if they have to set up a cover story to do it.
     
  5. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Agree.
    Or to harm someone or their character.....
     
  6. zippy2006

    zippy2006 Dragonsworn

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  7. Monk Brendan

    Monk Brendan Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Rahab the harlot lied to conceal the Hebrew spies, and is called "righteous" in Hebrews 11.
     
  8. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    You were the one going into philosophy. The direction you're going indicts God.
     
  9. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Welcome to Satan's world,his mo.

    mo·dus op·e·ran·di
     
  10. NDL

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    Excellent application!

    ***

    I encourage *everyone* to look at the below verses:

    Deuteronomy 29:29 - Treasury of Scripture Knowledge

    There seems to be an idea among many, that just because someone asks a question, it must be answered.
     
  11. Cement

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    I agree we have to take everything into context and thats what matters. People on this thread have said that I was intentionally vague about my question and that was the point. I think you nailed it on the head with this answer was what i was looking for. God Bless
     
  12. Cement

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    Sometimes the truth is too much to bear on us. Sometimes God does not give us the full gravity of our situation because we are not yet ready for it. Milk for the Babes and Meat for the Strong Men.
     
  13. Cement

    Cement Active Member

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    Thankfully its impossible for Satan to deceive those indwelt with the Spirit of Truth. However its true that many Christians are yet lacking in knowledge and wisdom. I do not exclude myself from this category. I wonder many times what I do not know that the Prophets had known.
     
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  15. salt-n-light

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    Deception is part of lying, but lying isn't exclusive to deception. Deception is really to manipulate an outcome. You can do that telling the truth.

    Example:

    Lie: Bobby I'm sick and its cold and rainy outside so I can't go out today (while you're not sick)
    Deception: Hey Bobby, I see that its pouring rain outside, so I don't think I should be going out today. Don't wanna get sick.

    But yes, if you're leading someone into deception, as in believing something untrue, their blood would be on YOUR hands. So you would be responsible for that.
     
  16. UnprofitableServant

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    Without going to deep on the question, "what is truth". All we have to do is look at a situation to determine the truth of the matter. We are usually aware when we are being dishonest or deceiving someone in believing something that is wrong.

    Not knowing what 'truth' is, could just be a way to justify someone to not admitting that they used deception.

    In peace
     
  17. Just_a_Christian

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    Why would one want to make someone believe something that wasn't "completely" true? One being ashamed of something, downplaying responsibility, attempting to profit somehow...and the list goes on. Is it sin? A half truth is a whole lie and in a sense could be worse than a flat out lie. Is it easier to get someone to believe a bold faced lie or a half truth....the end result being the same. We humans for some reason like to have "degrees" of sin while according to the Bible sin is sin. I once knew a man that had rather climb a tree and tell a lie than to stand on the ground and tell the truth. This man was arrested by under cover cops for propositioning them in the rest room at a local mall, on Sunday mornings he was in the pulpit.
     
  18. Vicomte13

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    No more than if you lie down on a bed to give truthful testimony
     
  19. Roidecoeur78

    Roidecoeur78 This world is not my home.

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    All lies are deceptions, or at least attempts at deception, but not all deceptions are lies.
     
  20. AfterThought

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    I guess it would be easier to hurt someone's feelings then lie to them I'm just taking a different angle on things but i agree with what you're saying
     
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