Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
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Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
Good point.....something that they have a right to know.The keyword here is deception. Deceiving someone, regarding something they have a right to know, is still deceipt whether you do it through words or other means.
Nonsense. God is about behaving righteously in lovingly caring for others. A spouse setting up a surprise party is behaving in a lovingly and caring manner for the most important person in their life, even if they have to set up a cover story to do it.No, it's the same principle. If lies were harmless then you wouldn't go out of your way to justify them by appealing to some good end.
Agree.As a simple litmus test, if you are deceiving to gain money, or to gain position or power, then YES you are lying. Do not bother praying to God. First confess your sin, then change your behavior and pray for redemption.
Nonsense. God is about behaving righteously in lovingly caring for others. A spouse setting up a surprise party is behaving in a lovingly and caring manner for the most important person in their life, even if they have to set up a cover story to do it.
It's worth pointing out that a very large number of posters are appealing to the principle that the end justifies the mean. In your case you claim that lying is good when it brings about the good end of surprising your husband on his birthday. Philosophically speaking, this is poor reasoning. Just because something results in a good outcome does not mean it is itself good. Hitler and the Marxists are great examples of folks who thought that it was okay to break a few eggs to get an omelette.
(This also illustrates why random folks on the internet aren't the best source for moral advice)
Rahab the harlot lied to conceal the Hebrew spies, and is called "righteous" in Hebrews 11.Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
Unfortunately many do mistake themselves for God.
Welcome to Satan's world,his mo.Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
Right, and also the Hebrew midwives (Exodus 1:15-20). If you're doing it to preserve innocent life, I believe it's permissible.
However, in scripture there is much deception in warfare.
I'd argue that all the deception practiced by God in scripture is a matter of warfare.
What scripture actually prohibits is deceiving people with whom you are supposed to be in good faith.
Scripture does not, as a practice, prohibit deceiving people who are trying to kill you.
A general rule should be to 'put yourself in the other person's shoes' based on what you know about them; and then ask yourself, "Would I want this done to me if I was them?"
Welcome to Satan's world,his mo.
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Thankfully its impossible for Satan to deceive those indwelt with the Spirit of Truth.
Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
Without going to deep on the question, "what is truth". All we have to do is look at a situation to determine the truth of the matter. We are usually aware when we are being dishonest or deceiving someone in believing something that is wrong.It comes back the very question people have been debating for years what is the truth
Why would one want to make someone believe something that wasn't "completely" true? One being ashamed of something, downplaying responsibility, attempting to profit somehow...and the list goes on. Is it sin? A half truth is a whole lie and in a sense could be worse than a flat out lie. Is it easier to get someone to believe a bold faced lie or a half truth....the end result being the same. We humans for some reason like to have "degrees" of sin while according to the Bible sin is sin. I once knew a man that had rather climb a tree and tell a lie than to stand on the ground and tell the truth. This man was arrested by under cover cops for propositioning them in the rest room at a local mall, on Sunday mornings he was in the pulpit.Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
All lies are deceptions, or at least attempts at deception, but not all deceptions are lies.Is using deception and cunning the same as outright lying? If through circumstance and cunning one were to make another believe something that is untrue would that constitute a sin?
I guess it would be easier to hurt someone's feelings then lie to them I'm just taking a different angle on things but i agree with what you're sayingAll lies are deceptions, or at least attempts at deception, but not all deceptions are lies.