Whisper of Hope
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God bless you too, brother. I'm going to take a break for awhile as well.
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I need a break to clear my head, that's all, this stuff gets exhausting after to long. I'll talk to you guys later linda, Whisper of Hope, Frogster, everyone else.
May God bless us all.
lol's true... even if we are smelling like smoke from escaping through the flames... we will be happy to be there.I don't think it's possible to be sad when we get to Heaven.
God bless you too!Put the reward aside for a moment, think of the truth people will not see, think of the the work as people who will never know the truth that will set them free.
Any body can say they faith that's easy. Proving we have faith is the hard part. We must pray that God help us, we must obey God, without doing that our faith is in vain, it will not save us.
I need a break to clear my head, that's all, this stuff gets exhausting after to long. I'll talk to you guys later linda, Whisper of Hope, Frogster, everyone else.
May God bless us all.
Does the "eternal" in eternal life refer to duration or quality? If it refers to duration then no one has eternal life because the very definition of eternal is without beginning or end. If "eternal" life began for you at some point then it's not really eternal, is it? Never ending maybe -- but if it had a beginning it's not eternal.Can eternal life be temporary?
Some argue that eternal life does not begin until heaven. That contradicts the words of Jesus which states that he who believeth on the Son of God HAS eternal life. John 3:36
Please tell me what these verse mean then? so I can stop posting them... I keep asking you to just tell me what they mean, I cannot ignore them...Yes, Jesus Christ's death changed nothing, in regards to what you are trying to imply. Jesus did not die so that we can continue to sin, and go to heaven.
A man with faith, but no works to show for his faith made it to heaven, you say? NEVER!
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5
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On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. Teacher, he asked, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
What is written in the Law? he replied. How do you read it?
He answered, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself.
You have answered correctly, Jesus replied. Do this and you will live. Luke 10:25-28
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Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12
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And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17
No one, I REPEAT, no one will make it to the Kingdom of God without obeying His commandments (Love). Faith alone just simply will not cut it.
God calls it eternal life... so I take it that it's eternal life... if it's not eternal then you are right... it's temporary life... one thing we do know is that eternal does not mean quality.... it means time...Does the "eternal" in eternal life refer to duration or quality? If it refers to duration then no one has eternal life because the very definition of eternal is without beginning or end. If "eternal" life began for you at some point then it's not really eternal, is it? Never ending maybe -- but if it had a beginning it's not eternal.
Just a thought
God bless you too!
Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Yes, Jesus Christ's death changed nothing, in regards to what you are trying to imply. Jesus did not die so that we can continue to sin, and go to heaven.
A man with faith, but no works to show for his faith made it to heaven, you say? NEVER!
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5
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On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. Teacher, he asked, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
What is written in the Law? he replied. How do you read it?
He answered, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself.
You have answered correctly, Jesus replied. Do this and you will live. Luke 10:25-28
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Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12
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And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17
No one, I REPEAT, no one will make it to the Kingdom of God without obeying His commandments (Love). Faith alone just simply will not cut it.
Please tell me what these verse mean then? so I can stop posting them... I keep asking you to just tell me what they mean, I cannot ignore them...
Romans 4:4-8
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.
his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15
This is what your Scriptures mean:
Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forththose who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:25-29
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And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Revelation 3:1-6
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But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousnessindignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 2:5-10
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And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12-15
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Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:33-37
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Also to you, O Lord, belongs mercy: for you render to every man according to his work. Psalm 62:12
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What does it profit, my brethren, though a man says he has faith, and has not works? can faith save him? James 2:14
I will posit to you that all Christians with saving faith have works. I will also posit to you that all Christians with saving faith exhibit a variety of works in both quantity and quality. I will also posit to you that these works are not the kind that one can boast about.
In light of this, how would you interpret the verses that you posted?
but they didn't do anything good.. one is wicked the other has no work... so how did one get credited righteousness and the other saved with no works...?This is what your Scriptures mean:
Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forththose who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:25-29
_ _ _ _
And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Revelation 3:1-6
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But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousnessindignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 2:5-10
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And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12-15
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Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:33-37
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Also to you, O Lord, belongs mercy: for you render to every man according to his work. Psalm 62:12
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What does it profit, my brethren, though a man says he has faith, and has not works? can faith save him? James 2:14
but they didn't do anything good.. one is wicked the other has no work... so how did one get credited righteousness and the other saved with no works...?
Romans 4:4-8
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.
his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15
so interprete this scripture that say's this man went to heaven with no works.... how can that be?It's your interpretation that can only be wrong because no one is saved by faith alone without works (walking in love).
You can lead a horse in the dessert to water, but you cannot make them drink
What about Acts 15?
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