Is belief enough to be saved?

[Montalban]

u keep quoting james saying not justified by faith alone, yet in acts 15, he did not want the highest of all laws, mosaic laws, which would cover all works of law, added to the salvation of the gentiles. why?

Peter said, faith and grace too in acts 15, confirming it was the same goeple as paul's.

please advise.

surely if no mosaic laws were to be added, then that in their minds would eliminate any subordinate laws of any kind.

And yet in Acts 15 he cites NO scripture for his decision on ceasing circumcision.

The only scripture looked at refers to extending the franchise to Gentiles

 

[B-74]

By its very nature it should be thirsty. Urging it to drink would be superfluous.

God urging us to do something that

a) has no point regarding our salvation
and
b) should be something we do anyway

is what several people here believe

We are all sinners needing to obey God. When we ask forgiveness its only a first step, God is patient with us, but if we want to follow Him them we must obey Him. We must know what God's will is and admit to God that we are not obeying it, God loves truth, he loves honesty, God will not forsake the worst of sinners if they just be honest with Him and ask for His help, if they pray and try, God will help, it may take a while but the harder we seek to faster we will find Him and His help. If we ask God for the right things and pray always, and be patient and wait on Him, in His own time He will help us obey Him. Nothing is greater than getting close to God. That's what He wants


Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Mt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mt 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[Lion King]

so interprete this scripture that say's this man went to heaven with no works.... how can that be?


Romans 4:4-8
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15

It can't be. As I said earlier, nobody will see the Kingdom of God without love (works). The Scriptures speak for themselves:

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:5-11

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THE FINAL JUDGEMENT

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ Matthew 25:34-36

vs

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ Matthew 25:41-44


This would only lead to one conclusion: it is your interpretation that is wrong.

 

[Lion King]

btw... no one is saved by faith alone... we are saved BY GRACE, through faith... faith is only as good as who you put your faith in... faith in Jesus saves.

Of course, everyone is saved by grace through faith and not by grace through faith alone.

 

[Lion King]

u keep quoting james saying not justified by faith alone, yet in acts 15, he did not want the highest of all laws, mosaic laws, which would cover all works of law, added to the salvation of the gentiles. why?

Peter said, faith and grace too in acts 15, confirming it was the same goeple as paul's.

please advise.

surely if no mosaic laws were to be added, then that in their minds would eliminate any subordinate laws of any kind.

I do not keep Mosaic laws, I only keep the Law of God. The same Law Abraham kept.

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5

 

[Lindas Place]

It can't be.


This would only lead to one conclusion: it is your interpretation that is wrong.

I'm not interpreting it... It's exactly what the Word of God say's... no interpretation is needed... and you won't offer an interpretation as to how this man went to heaven with NO Works... I believe all of the bible, not just parts of it...

Romans 4:4-8
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3

 

[B-74]

God is a jealous God, He loves us that much. That's why the Church is compared to a bride. He grieves when we commit spiritual adultery. He wants us to cry to Him and love Him, and he is a rewarder of those that love Him. I wouldn't trade Him for any work of the flesh. That would be a poor trade, I would be cheating myself of His goodness and mercy, His love and all that He truly is. God is awesome. Do we love God more than the devil? The devil is a liar and murderer, who would want to take that easy road that leads to no where when we have the almighty God? Praise God in the temple, be honest with God in the temple, be humble, drive the money changers out of Gods temple, beware of covetousness which is idolatry. For it is written my house shall be a house of prayer




Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 ¶ Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.



Mr 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Mt 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Jer 13:18 Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory.



Mt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Lu 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

Lu 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and
the other a publican...

Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Joh 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. (Pray and seek God every morning)

 

[Lion King]

I'm not interpreting it... It's exactly what the Word of God say's... no interpretation is needed... and you won't offer an interpretation as to how this man went to heaven with NO Works... I believe all of the bible, not just parts of it...

Romans 4:4-8
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3

You already have interpreted it, since you keep repeating to me what you think it MEANS (bold part).

Linda's Place: "..and you won't offer an interpretation as to how this man went to heaven with NO Works."

I have offered you numerous passages that fully state we will all be justified by works and not faith only, but you keep using that single passage from Paul, which to be honest, does not mean what you think it means.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

I do not keep Mosaic laws, I only keep the Law of God. The same Law Abraham kept.

James 2:10: "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

 

[B-74]

Love them random verses, even out of context they still work sometimes.

 

[B-74]

Its about getting close to God, not the Law. God indeed is a jealous God. We must obey His will.

 

[Montalban]

God is a jealous God

Not really

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

He doesn't get angry or jealous, anything negative

 

[Montalban]

We are all sinners needing to obey God.

God has a purpose in our obedience, it is to transform us to be more like him.

 

[Frogster]

James 2:10: "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

exactly....same as paul in gal in gal 3;10, and 5;3...

 

[Habakk]

Jesus came to save us from our sin because sin separates us from God and the consequences of that results in eternal separation.
We are saved by grace through faith then the Holy Spirit of God deals with our sin and we perfect our faith through works. So salvation involves the gift of eternal life and the continued process of making us dead to sin.
What I don’t understand is why some Christians want the eternal life bit but they do not want love and compassion towards others. SOME of those who claim to have eternal life are the most aggressive, unloving and legalistic Christians around.

 

[B-74]

Not really

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

He doesn't get angry or jealous, anything negative

Its not negative, its love. He loves us and wants our love.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[Frogster]

And yet in Acts 15 he cites NO scripture for his decision on ceasing circumcision.

The only scripture looked at refers to extending the franchise to Gentiles

lol...the answer from peter and james proved contrary to circumcision.

read gal; 2;3-5, no circumcision.

that meant no mosaic law for the churches.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

exactly....same as paul in gal in gal 3;10, and 5;3...

Galatians 2:16: "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified."

Galatians 2:19-21: "19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Galatians 5:1-6: "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love."

 

[Frogster]

I do not keep Mosaic laws, I only keep the Law of God. The same Law Abraham kept.

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5

tell me what the laws were?

how can u keep em, when it does not say what they were?

 

[B-74]

God lets men and women love each other, and they are jealous when their spouse is not faithful, God is the same. Parents discipline their children because they love them and want the best for them, God is the same with His children. All creation speaks His truth.