Intimacy

[&Abel]

Wow, your the first to think this way that I have come across on this forum!

You might end up getting flamed though.

seems as though you tend to agree with her

maybe I'm reading into your response but thats my impression

 

[elephunky]

You are reading into it Abel.

Its something that i struggle with. I know im supposed to be against it, but im not.

 

[&Abel]

so your NOT against it then

well at least your realize theres something not right with that viewpoint

try to remember that everything god has set out for us is whats BEST for us...hes not a brutal tyrant, hes our loving father

he knows what brings negative consequence within our world and hes trying to save us from our own selfish desires

its up to us whether we heed his advice(and we all screw up in one way or another)

when I first became a true christian I had trouble accepting certain things myself...but I Trusted god and asked him to reveal the answers to me

if you seek the truth for what it actually is and not what you want it to be...he will show you

but you need his word

its essential

 

[elephunky]

As i have stated many times before in this thread and another...I have issue with the word. I seek only God.

 

[&Abel]

then you have issue with god and you don't really know him as you ought too

 

[elephunky]

How is having an issue witho something that man written with GUIDENCE from god having an issue with god?

I have never ever doubted his existence, but i constantly doubt the trustowrthyness, the accuracy and the relevence of the bible

 

[david_x]

It's that one who talks with the Lord should know that the Bible is completely true.

Sorry, that seems really harsh.

 

[elephunky]

Like i said earlier, perhaps in another thread, its not like God came down and physically wrote it himself. Man interperated it, and we all know that when man have power, authority, influence they are easily corrupted and sway things to go their way.

Ive learnt that the word of man cannot be trusted, be it today or thousands of years ago.

 

[david_x]

then you don't know the power of Christ.

 

[elephunky]

I rely on a proper relationship. i think its foolish to place the majority of faith in words in a book.

 

[elephunky]

btw- I think ive stated this before, but I believe in the basics of the bibles. The stories of the ppl etc. Its the rules, the "guidelines" that are a bit iffy.

 

[david_x]

My faith is fully in Him, therefore i know the Bible is true.

 

[david_x]

btw- I think ive stated this before, but I believe in the basics of the bibles. The stories of the ppl etc. Its the rules, the "guidelines" that are a bit iffy.

There are only two guidelines, Love God and Love your neighbor.

 

[elephunky]

No, there are plenty of guidelines

 

[&Abel]

why believe at all if you don't believe what was written?

 

[david_x]

No, there are plenty of guidelines

From a certain perspective perhaps, but all of them come down to:

Love God
Love others

 

[elephunky]

Well, logically, everythign we do should reflect our love for God and our love for others.

 

[Nadiine]

I rely on a proper relationship. i think its foolish to place the majority of faith in words in a book.

faith in WHAT or whom tho?

The minute you toss the book out (the book that the eyewitnesses
who God directly spoke to, worked thru or gave commands to,)
you have begun to make up your own god & religion according to
YOUR OWN beliefs...

If you're just going on your own beliefs about God, then you have
NO way to test your beliefs to see if you have the RIGHT God.
(God gave us a bible to be able to do just that - it was given
becuz He wasn't going to continue doing open miracles to prove
Himself to the world for all time... He did that once to prove Himself [via Christ], and now we are given His words to use instead of leaning on visible proof -
FAITH - the proof is fulfilled)

It looks to me like you take SOME of the bible & form beliefs, then
toss the other parts out that make you uncomfortable, or you
don't understand or you dislike....
(what bothers me most is that even most faithful adherants of false religions don't dare do this & live by their own beliefs as if their holy books are faulty or unable
to teach them truth).

This is creating your own religion & denying that the what they wrote
was even true. You're saying "I reject their eyewitness testimony where
I decide it's not true"
This is Western postmodernism at its finest hour. The Western world has made
a practice of cherry picking various "truths" from several religions they follow & tossing out what they dislike from them.

How does that make truth when the religions compete against one another
in truth statements? It doesn't make truth, it makes people their own gods by
making up what they decide they like or what they think works.

YOU have become your own spiritual leader & authority and have set
yourself up to become unteachable to learn truth at that point.
VERY dangerous place to put yourself.
If you cannot be taught by the people who God dealt with firsthand - to relay
His message, then you have decided YOU KNOW MORE THAN THEY DID.

Would anyone say the same of any other ancient religion's founders/leaders? That they know MORE than those who started the religion? How arrogant in my opinion.
How very arrogant to think we posess more knowledge & understanding to reject what they were led to write.

I don't have that much faith In myself!

 

[elephunky]

As I stated earlier, i believe in the basics of the Bible.

 

[No Swansong]

I guess I would ask why do you believe any of it at all?