Intimacy

[god's_pawn]

Did you even read my response to your post up above? I said I have no intention of discussing the OP because I believe everything that can be said about the OP has been said. In fact, everything that really needed to be said WAS said by page eight, and this thread was straying from the OP by page four or five.
So this thread was clearly never going to be focused solely on the OP. Guess it wasn't as interesting to some people as making God in the OT into some kind of monster who doesn't deserve our respect or our worship.

*sigh*

so then you're just going to assume that i had nothing new to offer especially since i hadn't posted in this thread previously... thanks a lot

you could at least read it and check for sure rather that just assume. note that people just coming to this board will assume that the topic is still on intimacy and will wonder what happened to the original topic. if you want to discuss who's choosing who then i suggest you start a new thread on the issue so that the new people will be anticipating it or will know where to look if they want to discuss that particular issue.

 

[Nadiine]

as to this topic, the more I read in here, the more I see that if
we're rejecting God's moral standards and claiming to follow our
own sense of right & wrong, then we aren't following God,
we're following ourselves.

& if moral standards are relative, then there's no real standard
of proper conduct becuz everyone views it differently for
themselves (whether they know it's wrong in their heart of hearts
or not).
So what's to discuss really?

What you yourself set as your own standard? Which will not be
the same? Is it to ask advice on how far is too far - exchanging
personal opinions about it?
Seeking to find how far other people go & use the the popular
response to judge morality? (consensus?)
Or is it to seek God's moral standard to please & obey Him?

That's my confusion here in the question itself.

 

[god's_pawn]

hm, good points made. personally, i like to see other people's views on different subjects. i like to know botht the views and the reasons why those people have those views and how they came to develope them. is there one perfect answer to each and every issue? i'm not sure... perhaps this last question will be better answered in a different thread. yes, let us discuss that issue. give me a few minutes to start it going (in a new thread of course).

 

[Nadiine]

hm, good points made. personally, i like to see other people's views on different subjects. i like to know botht the views and the reasons why those people have those views and how they came to develope them. is there one perfect answer to each and every issue? i'm not sure... perhaps this last question will be better answered in a different thread. yes, let us discuss that issue. give me a few minutes to start it going (in a new thread of course).

Well, my thought on it is that if people are seeking a majority vote
on what they personally think & feel rather than on God's word,
then it's useless input.

Christians are to follow one God & not people's opinions.
So when I see certain people who continually promote sin try
to tell me their thoughts on a moral issue, I automatically
discredit it as worthy or valid input.

That's how strict I am in sticking to the Lord. I don't find ANY
value in secular opinion. The more we see the secular opinion
run things, the more of a mess & chaos we see, so I don't
believe they have any answers for me.

I already lived in moral depravity for many years. Some things
I've done I don't even share in public (no, nothing of a
homosexual nature).
I've already lived it & pursued it as a goal and it nearly ruined my life
if it weren't for the Lord's rescue.
So... that's why I find no value in mere opinion that doesn't come
from God's standards.

Now I can learn things & different points thru their input, but I do
not consider it in anything to follow as a Christian.

 

[god's_pawn]

Well, my thought on it is that if people are seeking a majority vote
on what they personally think & feel rather than on God's word,
then it's useless input.

Christians are to follow one God & not people's opinions.
So when I see certain people who continually promote sin try
to tell me their thoughts on a moral issue, I automatically
discredit it as worthy or valid input.

That's how strict I am in sticking to the Lord. I don't find ANY
value in secular opinion. The more we see the secular opinion
run things, the more of a mess & chaos we see, so I don't
believe they have any answers for me.

I already lived in moral depravity for many years. Some things
I've done I don't even share in public (no, nothing of a
homosexual nature).
I've already lived it & pursued it as a goal and it nearly ruined my life
if it weren't for the Lord's rescue.
So... that's why I find no value in mere opinion that doesn't come
from God's standards.

Now I can learn things & different points thru their input, but I do
not consider it in anything to follow as a Christian.

I really appreciate your "no compromise" stance on these discussions, though I think sometime what you may think is a compromise is really just a different angle of the same thing. I think too that sometimes a little thing should be left alone for the sake of better fellowship and to avoid bad feelings on either side. this is nothing against you and you're not the only one who may be doing this, but it's just a thought to consider.

God bless

 

[Nadiine]

I really appreciate your "no compromise" stance on these discussions, though I think sometime what you may think is a compromise is really just a different angle of the same thing. I think too that sometimes a little thing should be left alone for the sake of better fellowship and to avoid bad feelings on either side. this is nothing against you and you're not the only one who may be doing this, but it's just a thought to consider.

God bless

I can totally appreciate "thoughts to consider" and yes you are right
about that for sure.
I wasn't aware I was doing anything wrong really :o

But then. . . . I don't doubt that what you or others might consider
"little", I mite not tho. lol

By the way, my stance on who I take advice from is just from the
biblical principle of not getting ungodly counsel.
When I see certain people promoting sin & who don't adhere to
sound doctrine, they are not going to be let into my consideration
for any counsel/advice.

The point isn't that they'll NEVER be right, but that the source of
their counsel isn't godly to begin with & I cannot trust it.

 

[Zecryphon]

so then you're just going to assume that i had nothing new to offer especially since i hadn't posted in this thread previously... thanks a lot

you could at least read it and check for sure rather that just assume. note that people just coming to this board will assume that the topic is still on intimacy and will wonder what happened to the original topic. if you want to discuss who's choosing who then i suggest you start a new thread on the issue so that the new people will be anticipating it or will know where to look if they want to discuss that particular issue.

Anything new you had to offer in that post is on page fourteen according to you. I have made no assumptions regarding you or your post. You however have made two assumptions about me. I don't know how I can make this any more clear to you. I have no intention of discussing an OP that has not been the topic of discussion for many pages now. I imagine that what you wrote on page fourteen has been sufficiently addressed by others by page fifty-eight. If not, I don't know what I could possibly add. But it's really a moot point becauae I have no intention of discussing the OP and apparently nobody else does either, INCLUDING dGirl who started this thread.
I also have no intention of starting a Calvinist vs. Arminian debate as I said this thread doesn't have to turn into that as I've had that debate many times already. So I have a suggestion for you either get up to speed on what is being discussed in this thread currently or report everybody who is posting off topic. That group of people will include the OP herself
and that many reports will get this thread shut down for staff review or staff will post a mod hat or warning of some sort to get back to the OP which has obviously run it's course. So why don't you just go with the flow instead of rocking a boat that is sailing along just fine on it's own?

 

[god's_pawn]

Anything new you had to offer in that post is on page fourteen according to you. I have made no assumptions regarding you or your post. You however have made two assumptions about me. I don't know how I can make this any more clear to you. I have no intention of discussing an OP that has not been the topic of discussion for many pages now. I imagine that what you wrote on page fourteen has been sufficiently addressed by others by page fifty-eight. If not, I don't know what I could possibly add. But it's really a moot point becauae I have no intention of discussing the OP and apparently nobody else does either, INCLUDING dGirl who started this thread.
I also have no intention of starting a Calvinist vs. Arminian debate as I said this thread doesn't have to turn into that as I've had that debate many times already. So I have a suggestion for you either get up to speed on what is being discussed in this thread currently or report everybody who is posting off topic. That group of people will include the OP herself
and that many reports will get this thread shut down for staff review or staff will post a mod hat or warning of some sort to get back to the OP which has obviously run it's course. So why don't you just go with the flow instead of rocking a boat that is sailing along just fine on it's own?

please note that we are currently discussing issues on page 15 of this thread, and absolutely no one has replied to that particular post. perhaps if you had read one of dgirl's last post you will have noticed that she would indeed prefer the topic to return to the original subject. if you really want to continue debating off topic then i suggest you start your own thread. that way if new people come on who want to discuss the issue of intimacy, they can do so without you trying to keep things off topic. in formal debates, people are thought to lose points for going off topic. obviously, we don't do points here, nor should we; but i think these discussions whould follow that line, as oposed to the simple conversation model you seem to prefer. i understand how things can turn in a direction like this, but when i replied to the OP, i was anticipating discussions along the lines of what the OP was saying. others will likely do the same so the least you could do is let them and continue this conversation in a place where those who want to discuss it can actually find it. instead of looking for it in threads that are supposed to be discussing other things entirely.

 

[david_x]

Let's make a new thread to discuss getting off topic!

 

[Nadiine]

Let's make a new thread to discuss getting off topic!

=)


.

 

[Zecryphon]

please note that we are currently discussing issues on page 15 of this thread, and absolutely no one has replied to that particular post. perhaps if you had read one of dgirl's last post you will have noticed that she would indeed prefer the topic to return to the original subject. if you really want to continue debating off topic then i suggest you start your own thread. that way if new people come on who want to discuss the issue of intimacy, they can do so without you trying to keep things off topic. in formal debates, people are thought to lose points for going off topic. obviously, we don't do points here, nor should we; but i think these discussions whould follow that line, as oposed to the simple conversation model you seem to prefer. i understand how things can turn in a direction like this, but when i replied to the OP, i was anticipating discussions along the lines of what the OP was saying. others will likely do the same so the least you could do is let them and continue this conversation in a place where those who want to discuss it can actually find it. instead of looking for it in threads that are supposed to be discussing other things entirely.

You and Nadiine may be discussing something you posted on page fifteen of this thread. I don't know and I don't care. Once again your unfounded assumption about me is WRONG. I read that post by dGirl, but she said that in an off-topic post. I am not going to start a new thread so get over it.
I'm here in this thread contributing off-topic posts just like everybody else is. If you've got a problem with that, that's YOUR problem. If dGirl really wanted to bring this topic back to intimacy it's rather easy to do. But since she hasn't even posted on it, I'm guessing that she really doesn't have too
much more to say on the topic either. So you go your way and continue discussing what you're discussing with Nadiine and I'll go my way by discussing whatever I want to comment on with others in this thread. Then that way we can both coexist in the same thread peacefully.

 

[Nadiine]

I wasn't even paying attn to how many pages this thread went thru
that were off topic, but I think it's been quite a few.

Seriously, I do think some of what's been "off topic' does relate to
the topic in some ways & should have been discussed like they were.

I also don't know if graphic details were being sought about
how far you can go by the OP?

One thing I usually dislike is people using the scenario of,
"would you do that if Jesus was standing right next to you?"
I never like that becuz I wouldn't do even lawful things if
I felt He was standing right there in person.
I'd just freeze up lol

 

[Nadiine]

I also heard a Pastor once say that if you're asking how much
you can get away with and still be ok with God, then it's basically
an evidence that you're not in the right spirit with Him.
It's the wrong approach.

We should be asking, "how can I please God" rather than how far
can I go & get away with things.
Just an extra thought on the subject if it wasn't already said.

 

[elephunky]

Do what you want with the thread. I dont care anymore lol.

 

[david_x]

Let's make it a fail blog!!!

 

[elephunky]

Riiiight

 

[MarkSB]

I also heard a Pastor once say that if you're asking how much
you can get away with and still be ok with God, then it's basically
an evidence that you're not in the right spirit with Him.
It's the wrong approach.

We should be asking, "how can I please God" rather than how far
can I go & get away with things.
Just an extra thought on the subject if it wasn't already said.

This is 100% true. Like one of my friends used to say: purity is a direction, not a line that you draw and then see how close you can get without stepping over it.

 

[david_x]

Let's make it a fail blog!!!

JOKE FAIL

 

[elephunky]