Infants in Heaven?

[Blueberry Sponge]

Please can you provide me with the sources?

Start with Genesis and read until you get to the maps.

 

[Pseud]

So you can't actually find me a source that says that a sinner is a wicked person?

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

So you can't actually find me a source that says that a sinner is a wicked person?

I just did. You've either never read the Bible before or you're intentionally acting stupid.

 

[Pseud]

I just did. You've either never read the Bible before or you're intentionally acting stupid.

No, you told me to read a book of the bible. I'm asking you to provide me with passages where it says a sinner is a wicked person. It's your argument and you're using scripture as your basis, I'd like you to show me that scripture in black and white, since you seem to be arguing it as black and white.

I'm genuinely asking for my knowledge, there's no need to flame me!

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

I'm genuinely asking for my knowledge, there's no need to flame me!

I am not going to spoon feed you Scripture. You are going to have to commit to studying it for yourself. Make it the #1 primary thing of your life. If you're GENUINELY desiring knowledge, crack the Book open and never close it. You will find the best knowledge there is available to mankind.

 

[Pseud]

I am not going to spoon feed you Scripture. You are going to have to commit to studying it for yourself. Make it the #1 primary thing of your life. If you're GENUINELY desiring knowledge, crack the Book open and never close it. You will find the best knowledge there is available to mankind.

ok, I regularly read the bible thank you. Please stop turning this into a personal battle.

Secondly, I am sure there is no scripture that says a sinner is a wicked person, so going back to the argument in hand, the verse you've repeatedly quoted in this thread I find irrelevant, and my previous argument still stands.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

I am sure there is no scripture that says a sinner is a wicked person

I am sure I'm not going to waste my time copy/pasting one of many for you.

 

[Patristic]

ok, I regularly read the bible thank you. Please stop turning this into a personal battle.

Secondly, I am sure there is no scripture that says a sinner is a wicked person, so going back to the argument in hand, the verse you've repeatedly quoted in this thread I find irrelevant, and my previous argument still stands.

This isn't even relevant to the discussion at hand because the wicked people that David is addressing are the corrupt and degenerate rulers of the surrounding nations. I argued pretty clearly for that in my discussion on the entire 58th Psalm.

 

[Pseud]

I am sure I'm not going to waste my time copy/pasting one of many for you.

ok, then don't. But what I will say is yes, sin and wicked is mentioned in conjunction with each other.

How many people who have cancer have eaten carrots? That doesn't mean carrots causes cancer.

How many people who are wicked have sinned? That doesn't mean that sinning means you're wicked.

 

[Plan 9]

This isn't even relevant to the discussion at hand because the wicked people that David is addressing are the corrupt and degenerate rulers of the surrounding nations. I argued pretty clearly for that in my discussion on the entire 58th Psalm.

I was enjoying reading the discussion at hand very much!

Perhaps you could just ignore Sponge's irrelevant posts and return to it?

*wags tail*

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

That doesn't mean that sinning means you're wicked.

We're all born in sin and we must be born again.

 

[Pseud]

That doesn't mean that sinning means you're wicked.

We're all born in sin and we must be born again.

Ok, this concludes my contribution to this discussion with you. You aren't even prepared to directly respond to my statements. Perhaps I'll see you around on another thread.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

Ok, this concludes my contribution to this discussion with you. You aren't even prepared to directly respond to my statements. Perhaps I'll see you around on another thread.

I'm not here to respond to people who want ten thousand proofs that two plus two equals four. The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. It's not that complicated.

 

[Plan 9]

I'm not here to respond to people who want ten thousand proofs that two plus two equals four. The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. It's not that complicated.

Ah, we're back to those lying babies again.

My belief has already been stated here by others and more eloquently: infants are not accountable for any sin nature, are not yet capable of discerning right from wrong and, indeed, do no wrong. Infants who die go to heaven.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

infants ... do no wrong.

Going astray and lying are wrong.

Infants who die go to heaven.

Yes they do; as forgiven sinners.

 

[Plan 9]

Going astray and lying are wrong.

Yes they do; as forgiven sinners.

The relentless repetition of a single point does not make it correct.

 

[water_ripple]

And yet Scripture says they have.

The ability to sin is all about the choice to do so. One can walk in the light with Christ or they can choose to go astray. How do I know this? B/c in the past I have. All of that of course is in the past, and I have been forgiven. If a person makes the choice to follow Christ then they can choose also to stop. If infants are sinners then Y in the world would Christ say that unless one becomes like them that they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven? You make no sense. Infants cannot make a conscience choice of accepting Christ or rejecting him. They depend on the parent for survival. Do you see the paralelle here? They are innocent of the word and will of God and therefore unaccountable. Perhaps they would be accountable if God was not merciful. God expects us to grow in maturity of faith. That is Y we are called to repent and listen to His word. An infant whose life is cut short cannot grow in faith. It is impossible. God would not judge an infant who has died a flesh death for things they could not control. Infants control nothing in their life. The parent controls everything and God does not judge children for the sins of the parents.

 

[water_ripple]

PseudAnon, not a single sin will enter into Heaven. Sin is "exceedingly sinful" (Romans 7:13). Your "just misled" sinners will spend eternity in the lake of fire because of their sins. Sin is not a minor offence, it's anything short of perfection.

I seriously hope that you are not short of perfection. It would hurt me greatly to know that you were denied entrance b/c you are not perfect.

 

[water_ripple]

I am sure I'm not going to waste my time copy/pasting one of many for you.

Aren't Christians called to spread the word of God to the unknowing? Are you slipping in perfection?

 

[water_ripple]

I am not going to spoon feed you Scripture. You are going to have to commit to studying it for yourself. Make it the #1 primary thing of your life. If you're GENUINELY desiring knowledge, crack the Book open and never close it. You will find the best knowledge there is available to mankind.

What then happens if someone does not know how to read?