Infants in Heaven?

[Blueberry Sponge]

PseudAnon, not a single sin will enter into Heaven. Sin is "exceedingly sinful" (Romans 7:13). Your "just misled" sinners will spend eternity in the lake of fire because of their sins. Sin is not a minor offence, it's anything short of perfection.

 

[armothe]

And yet Scripture says they have.

Correction. Your flawed interpretation and use of Scripture says they have.

How's that left eye doing?

It has become more than evident that you have no serious ability to read God's word properly. If you are interested - I'd be more than happy to lead you through the various literary language used throughout the bible (Simile, Metaphor, Anthropomorphism, Words of association, Personification, Euphemism, Hyperbole, Irony). Otherwise, I'm finished going back and forth with you.

-A

 

[Patristic]

no reason to believe your view is the correct one.

Then why don't you go and kill Iraqi children since that is also God's correct view according to your standard? You never answer questions, you just keep twisting scripture out of context.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

Otherwise, I'm finished going back and forth with you.

-A

That's good to hear.

 

[armothe]

People:

Suffer the little children unto Me
for unless you become like them the kingdom of God is not yours.

Maybe we should stop debating about wether a baby is sinful or not...Perhaps we should revert back to the time when we depend on our Parent for survival.

I like your idea here, water_ripple. I think what you are getting at is that the only way to enter the kingdom of God is to rely on our "parent", Him being God.

I'm not sure I agree that is what this passage is saying (but it sure could be) - and a good observation on your part none-the-less.

-A

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

Then why don't you go and kill Iraqi children

Because Jesus loves them and died for their sins, I love them and am commanded by God not to murder.

 

[Patristic]

Because Jesus loves them and died for their sins, I love them and am commanded by God not to murder.]

Therefore, you just get to pick and choose what commands contained in Scripture you are willing to follow. Instead of just avoiding the issue, who don't you just do what the Bible literally tells you to do? Remember, you are commanded by God not to murder, but God is obviously telling you dash infants upon the rocks, so he must have a good reason for doing so. God tells you not to murder in a general sense, but when he tells you to go and kill this specific group of children then you should listen to what He says.

 

[Plan 9]

And physical death.


Yes it should.
That's all of us. All have sinned.
David was making the point that the wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon
as they be born, speaking lies.


We are to believe that the wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon
as they be born, speaking lies.

Sponge, no one can speak as soon as they're born, so that part of the scripture, at least, is hyperbole.

 

[Pseud]

PseudAnon, not a single sin will enter into Heaven. Sin is "exceedingly sinful" (Romans 7:13). Your "just misled" sinners will spend eternity in the lake of fire because of their sins. Sin is not a minor offence, it's anything short of perfection.

I think you missed my point. Here it is again (simpler). The phrase you are using is talking about wicked people, not sinners.

Wicked people are born wicked.

Sinners are not born sinners.

Sinners are not wicked people, they are just people who have been misled.

I never said anywhere, or insinuated, that sin was a minor offence. I know what sin is and how it works.

 

[lared]

Those that are invited to heaven are to rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom. Kingdom=government.

Every government rules over someone. God's kingdom is to rule over the meek that shall inherit the earth.

Thus, a government in heaven ruling over the many here on earth.

Children or even infants that have died, are merely asleep in the grave. They are to be resurrected according to God's timetable and will be welcomed back by their parents or loved ones. They will be cared for as they grow and mature.

A testimony to God's wisdom, love, justice, and power.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

God is obviously telling you dash infants upon the rocks

Maybe you should have a glass of warm milk and take a little nappy.

 

[Patristic]

Children or even infants that have died, are merely asleep in the grave. They are to be resurrected according to God's timetable and will be welcomed back by their parents or loved ones. They will be cared for as they grow and mature.

A testimony to God's wisdom, love, justice, and power.

That's an interesting view, but it relies too heavily on the idea of soul sleep which I believe does not have an overwhelming weight of evidence in it's favor. I actually read a similar theory in a Catholic book about Limbo. The idea was that unbaptized infants who die go to Limbo which is just another way of stating that they are oblivious and unaware of their existence and state. Yet, at the resurrection they will be brought back and will live on the new earth, but will never have access to heaven.

 

[Patristic]

Maybe you should have a glass of warm milk and take a little nappy.

No thank you, I had plenty of rest last night. Since this is the only response I can elicit from you, then it is obvious that a serious consideration and study of the texts in question is not possible. I won't consume any more of my valuable time attempting to reason with you, but will spend it discussing the issues with others.

 

[Plan 9]

Maybe you should have a glass of warm milk and take a little nappy.

Your post is entirely non-responsive to Patristic's. Would you like to try again, Sponge?

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

PseudAnon, read your Bible. Wicked people are sinners and sinners are wicked people.

 

[Plan 9]

PseudAnon, read your Bible. Wicked people are sinners and sinners are wicked people.

"Wicked" and "sinner" are not English synonyms.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

Sponge, no one can speak as soon as they're born

Actually, the Bible teaches otherwise. The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Psalm 58:3 You see, they DO speak. Don't let those goo-goo's and ga-ga's fool you. They're not always truthful. God has warned us so that we'll be good parents.

 

[Plan 9]

Actually, the Bible teaches otherwise. The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Psalm 58:3 You see, they DO speak. Don't let those goo-goo's and ga-ga's fool you. They're not always truthful. God has warned us so that we'll be good parents.

So, you do recognize hyperbole when you read it.

 

[Pseud]

PseudAnon, read your Bible. Wicked people are sinners and sinners are wicked people.

Please can you provide me with the sources?

 

[Plan 9]

Please can you provide me with the sources?

Sponge, since Wicked" and "sinner" are not English synonyms, I'd like to see them, too.