Infallibility of Scriptures Proves Gay is Sin according to the Scriptures

[MercyBurst]

I use ACTUAL Scholars for my findings.


John Boswell ["Christianity, Soical Tolerance, and Homosexuality", pg. 334], who was a Greek & Hebrew language scholar and Historian from Yale University, felt that arsenokoitai may have meant "male prostitutes capable of the active role with either men or women"

So man-on-woman temple prostitution did not result in the death penalty, however man-on-man temple prostitution got the death sentence in Lev 20:13.

Now we see how terrible homosexuality is in the eyes of God.

Dave, I'm so glad you straightened that out for us. Thank you Boswell !!!!

 

[RMDY]

Dave, where is God's love within you for others?

 

[Brieuse]

My definition is credible, verifiable, historical, and/or grammatical or lexical evidence. Links to or quotes from Andrea Nonnymus at homosexuals-я-us.com® which provides no such evidence is proof of nothing but frantic desperation.

I differ in my opinion on your twisted "proof"

 

[ReformedChapin]

I differ in my opinion on your twisted "proof"

Your unbiblical opinion...that's nice.

 

[RMDY]

That's pretty offensive, mister, in view of the fact that he's trying to defend his own role as a Christian against those who are judging him guilty of sin (in one case against his own distinction between judging and correcting).

Some of these people are using scripture to show why they believe it to be sin, but Dave rebukes them anyway using sources that aren't from the bible and calls them liars by saying they follow False Doctrine. Perhaps he believes is a Christian who also believes I lie about Scripture and follow a false doctrine?
I tell Dave why I believe something is a sin, not why he is a condemned sinner. Part of following our Lord is confessing our sins and asking for forgiveness. It has nothing about condemning people or attacking a person's christianity. If anything, I believe none of us should attack our faith in Christ, but minister to one another in what we do so by exhorting one another to become more Holy.

- Rob

 

[united4Peace]

That's pretty offensive, mister, in view of the fact that he's trying to defend his own role as a Christian against those who are judging him guilty of sin (in one case against his own distinction between judging and correcting).

As for me, I am purely disgusted with people who claim the name Christian for themselves and seem proud of themselves when they drive someone away from Christ for having the temerity to think that He might love him/her, who is burdened with same-sex attraction, as much as He does their self-righteous selves -- as the team in this very thread did to one young woman two weeks ago on this very forum. (Want proof? I can produce irrefutable witnesses, including conciliators, moderators, and senior staff here at CF, who were present at her meltdown and can explain why it happened, including the work of the Job's Comforters here.)

DMagoh tells us that it is a Christian's duty to denounce sin. Well, if you do not count badgering someone about their supposed sin to the extent that they renounce Christ to be serious sin, I have no idea why you might want to be on a Christian message board.

And accordingly I denounce you who drove her away from Christ. I call on you to make public repentance for having done so. There are a lot more sins in this world than the sexual, and none greater than turning someone away from God. Repent!!

This post just made me cry...

I pray for the poster who turned away...

I pray that they find peace within...and that if they dont come back to Christianity that at least they find God...somewhere...anywhere!!
God is there...and I just pray that the person knows that God will never turn away from them...God is there holding that person right now...comforting them...loving them...

God never gives up on us, never lets us go... Never.

 

[RMDY]

This post just made me cry...

I pray for the poster who turned away...

I pray that they find peace within...and that if they dont come back to Christianity that at least they find God...somewhere...anywhere!!
God is there...and I just pray that the person knows that God will never turn away from them...God is there holding that person right now...comforting them...loving them...

God never gives up on us, never lets us go... Never.

Dave and United4Peace,
Some of these people are using scripture to show why they believe it to be sin, but Dave rebukes them anyway using sources that aren't from the bible and calls them liars by saying they follow False Doctrine. Perhaps he believes is a Christian who also believes I lie about Scripture and follow a false doctrine?
I tell Dave why I believe something is a sin, not why he is a condemned sinner. Part of following our Lord is confessing our sins and asking for forgiveness. It has nothing about condemning people or attacking a person's christianity. If anything, I believe none of us should attack our faith in Christ, but minister to one another in what we do so by exhorting one another in an effort to become more Holy.

- Rob

 

[united4Peace]

Dave and United4Peace,
Some of these people are using scripture to show why they believe it to be sin, but Dave rebukes them anyway using sources that aren't from the bible and calls them liars by saying they follow False Doctrine. Perhaps he believes is a Christian who also believes I lie about Scripture and follow a false doctrine?
I tell Dave why I believe something is a sin, not why he is a condemned sinner. Part of following our Lord is confessing our sins and asking for forgiveness. It has nothing about condemning people or attacking a person's christianity. If anything, I believe none of us should attack our faith in Christ, but minister to one another in what we do so by exhorting one another in an effort to become more Holy.

- Rob

Rob,

I agree that we confess and ask for forgiveness but maybe its not in the same way as each other...
I beleive that atheists in some way even confess as they feel repentent about something they have done...
God see's the heart
(Now Im a different Christian than you in the sense I dont believe in a literal hell...I do believe in a hell just not a literal hell that God sends us too nor do I take the Bible literally).
I also agree that no one should attack anyone's faith in Christ...
I believe that we are connected through Christ...that is what connects us as Christians...our faith in Christ...our belief and acceptance of Christ...

Peace

 

[MercyBurst]

As for me, I am purely disgusted with people who claim the name Christian for themselves and seem proud of themselves when they drive someone away from Christ for having the temerity to think that He might love him/her,

Christ loves all sinners, but He hates corrupt doctrine.

who is burdened with same-sex attraction, as much as He does their self-righteous selves -- as the team in this very thread did to one young woman two weeks ago on this very forum. (Want proof? I can produce irrefutable witnesses, including conciliators, moderators, and senior staff here at CF, who were present at her meltdown and can explain why it happened, including the work of the Job's Comforters here.)

I think I know who that person is. Maybe, just maybe, that person will realize she needs to repent, because she has never repented. Maybe, just maybe, she's seen she's living a lie. As Jesus said, he'd rather have someone hot or cold than lukewarm. Carnal christianity is lukewarm.

DMagoh tells us that it is a Christian's duty to denounce sin. Well, if you do not count badgering someone about their supposed sin to the extent that they renounce Christ to be serious sin, I have no idea why you might want to be on a Christian message board.

And accordingly I denounce you who drove her away from Christ. I call on you to make public repentance for having done so. There are a lot more sins in this world than the sexual, and none greater than turning someone away from God. Repent!!

And if she comes to you about Christ, what will you tell her is required for her salvation? (just curious).

I personally think the best thing to do is to pray for EP. Thank you for sharing this with us. I'll be sure to pray for her and about how this affects others. I don't want to debate her anymore.

I'd really like this whole forum to go away. It is destructive to both sides. Our side of the debate has seen a young woman corrupted to gay sex by the pandering from older homosexuals.

 

[RMDY]

Carnal Christianity = follow own heart
Christ on throne = follow God's heart.

 

[united4Peace]

Mercy...
I know your last post was to polycarp but as someone who has taught Sunday School in the past and prob future also I hope you dont mind if I answer as well...

My answer would be ...

"God loves you from the moment you were born...
you are a part of God's creation..."

I would then tell them the story of the Prodigal Son...

I would tell them how Jesus accepted many people....
turned away noone...
forgave...
loved..

I would tell them how Jesus died for us...
How Jesus fought Evil for us...Jesus payed our debts...
How Jesus died for Humanity...

 

[Brieuse]

Christ loves all sinners, but He hates corrupt doctrine.



I think I know who that person is. Maybe, just maybe, that person will realize she needs to repent, because she has never repented. Maybe, just maybe, she's seen she's living a lie. As Jesus said, he'd rather have someone hot or cold than lukewarm. Carnal christianity is lukewarm.




And if she comes to you about Christ, what will you tell her is required for her salvation? (just curious).

I personally think the best thing to do is to pray for EP. Thank you for sharing this with us. I'll be sure to pray for her and about how this affects others. I don't want to debate her anymore.

I'd really like this whole forum to go away. It is destructive to both sides. Our side of the debate has seen a young woman corrupted to gay sex by the pandering from older homosexuals.

This forum must not go away. Thousands of teenagers are dead because they killed themselves because of the fear of rejection. They must learn that they are completely normal and that God loves them. His creations are perfect.

Maybe that is my calling.

 

[savedandhappy1]

(Now Im a different Christian than you in the sense I dont believe in a literal hell...I do believe in a hell just not a literal hell that God sends us too nor do I take the Bible literally).

Peace

united4Peace, I am afraid to ask you here, because I don't want to derail this thread, but if you would maybe explain how you can believe in a hell, but not a literal hell? Also, you do realize that God doesn't send anyone but the devil and his angels to hell, anyone else that goes there goes because they refused to do what is needed to keep them out of it.

Kind of like the Romans didn't crucify Jesus, but He went to the cross to shed His blood for us. He came into this world for that very purpose. As was said in the Bible, He could have called ten thousand angels to take him safely down, and/or stop the troops from even getting hold of Him in the first place. We remember how He said to His Father, if possible let this cup pass from me, but not my will but yours be done. None of us would want to suffer like Christ did, but yet I bet all of us want His will to be done not ours.

I think there is alot of misunderstanding when it comes to people taking the word literally. We believe some of the scriptures are metaphors, some are totally truthful the way they are written. I think sometimes we put to much importance into if someone takes something literal or not, because I think we aren't understanding what each other mean by literal.

It's kind of like putting the importance on Jonah and the great fish, instead of putting it on the message that story is really about. Could Jonah have been swallowed by a great fish, and stayed alive in his belly for 3 days? If God wanted it to happen He could, and may have made it happen. Is that the important message? I don't think so! Saying that I believe the Bible literally. Hope that what I am trying to say is understood, if not please ask me to explain more, thanks.

If you think this post and your answer to this it will derail this thread, please PM me. I just didn't know how to handle this, but was hoping to get a better understanding of your meanings.

Thanks!

 

[MercyBurst]

Mercy...
I know your last post was to polycarp but as someone who has taught Sunday School in the past and prob future also I hope you dont mind if I answer as well...

My answer would be ...

"God loves you from the moment you were born...
you are a part of God's creation..."

I would then tell them the story of the Prodigal Son...

I would tell them how Jesus accepted many people....
turned away noone...
forgave...
loved..

I would tell them how Jesus died for us...
How Jesus fought Evil for us...Jesus payed our debts...
How Jesus died for Humanity...

Well I can appreciate everything you say.

I think everyone needs to look at the cross and SEE how terribly the LORD HIMSELF suffered and died, so we wouldn't have to go to hell. Our sin put HIM there. Let us NEVER EVER forget that: God takes sin DEAD SERIOUS.

 

[united4Peace]

Well I can appreciate everything you say.

I think everyone needs to look at the cross and SEE how terribly the LORD HIMSELF suffered and died, so we wouldn't have to go to hell. Our sin put HIM there. Let us NEVER EVER forget that: God takes sin DEAD SERIOUS.

really?
See I was taught that Jesus died for us(loved us so much that Jesus died for us)...not because of us...

 

[savedandhappy1]

God loves me, and I didn't have to clean myself up before asking Him to save me, cleanse me, make me His own.
That is the same for everyone!! Praise His Holy Name!!

What I don't understand is why someone thinks that if something they are doing is a sin, even tho they really love doing it, means that God doesn't love them if they have to stop doing it.

We don't know, but the woman caught in adultry, may have loved the man greatly. Yet, Jesus didn't say ok since you love him go ahead and keep doing it. No, He said go and sin no more. I can't find any scriptures that tell us that if you love your girl friend today go ahead and have sex with her, because you love her. If you happened to stop loving her before or even after you get married it's ok because you love her right now.

I believe we put to much importance on our physical pleasures, frankly. Now don't get me wrong, I believe that God whats us to get and give pleasure to each other. I also believe that we can sometimes let that become more important than, well.......................God and His will for our lives. I think it is very important that the Bible tells us that there won't be any giving or getting married in heaven. Wonder why?

I guess a person could say that the reason there won't be any marrying in heaven is because we all will love each other the same, and so we will be able to have physical relationships with whoever we want to. You know the scriptures don't say one way or the other, and God is a God of love so why wouldn't He let us be happy that way?

I will never understand how when someone wants to spend eternity with someone, and they try and get them to understand that something they are doing will/could keep that from happening is not love. I guess I should love them so much that I say nothing even if that means not being together forever and ever.

I started a thread about is it a sin to say nothing, when we should speak, in the Christian Philosophy & Ethics. I am studying that and thought it would be great to get other peoples understanding and beliefs. I Thank the few who have responded, but I am really surprised that there appears to be no interest in this subject. I guess it could be due to the fact that maybe alot don't want to know the answer because then they would have to speak.

Maybe we should study the different forms of love talked about in the Bible, but how will we know which scriptures we are to take literally and which ones not to?

Which ones are infallible and inerrant?

How sad we won't know till we die if the scriptures were right on how to be saved, how very sad.

 

[Polycarp1]

Oh, yes. As it happens, I have talked with her since her departure. She's pretty broken up about things. And I certainly will tell her what is needed to come to Christ, if she asks. She knew Him and I know He still loves her; I put my trust in Him.

And yes, one needs to repent of sin. But not necessarily of what some guy on an Internet message board counts as sinful -- what the Holy Spirit convicts you of as sin in your life.

As for the woman taken in adultery, it simply amazes me how hard it is for some people to be able to quote ten words spoken by our Lord. What he said was, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more." I really seriously doubt that what He meant by that is, "...but it's OK if My followers condemn you instead."

Jesus seems to have taken a fairly compassionate and forgiving view towards sexual sin, which was common and condemned then as it is now. What really seems to have irked Him was people using the Law to judge the sins of others, as the Pharisees were fond of doing, while excusing their own behavior. I strongly doubt He's any too happy that people today are using the Bible as the same sort of lawbook-for-sins and condemning others for their supposed sins while ignoring their own sin in doing so.

 

[PinkTulip]

Oh, yes. As it happens, I have talked with her since her departure. She's pretty broken up about things. And I certainly will tell her what is needed to come to Christ, if she asks. She knew Him and I know He still loves her; I put my trust in Him.

And yes, one needs to repent of sin. But not necessarily of what some guy on an Internet message board counts as sinful -- what the Holy Spirit convicts you of as sin in your life.

As for the woman taken in adultery, it simply amazes me how hard it is for some people to be able to quote ten words spoken by our Lord. What he said was, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more." I really seriously doubt that what He meant by that is, "...but it's OK if My followers condemn you instead."

Jesus seems to have taken a fairly compassionate and forgiving view towards sexual sin, which was common and condemned then as it is now. What really seems to have irked Him was people using the Law to judge the sins of others, as the Pharisees were fond of doing, while excusing their own behavior. I strongly doubt He's any too happy that people today are using the Bible as the same sort of lawbook-for-sins and condemning others for their supposed sins while ignoring their own sin in doing so.

How does one recognize that the Holy Spirit is convicting them of sin or not? It is not by excusing oneself of sin by reading a web page that says their sin is OK. I don’t need a web page to know my sins.

And yes, I confess my sin (that ugly word) every Sunday.

 

[united4Peace]

How does one recognize that the Holy Spirit is convicting them of sin or not? It is not by excusing oneself of sin by reading a web page that says their sin is OK. I don’t need a web page to know my sins.

And yes, I confess my sin (that ugly word) every Sunday.

Why every Sunday?

Why not everyday
Seriously...I tend to converse with God on a daily basis...
God forgives on a daily basis...a relationship is an ongoing thing...not just something that occurs on Sunday's

 

[PinkTulip]

Why every Sunday?

Why not everyday
Seriously...I tend to converse with God on a daily basis...
God forgives on a daily basis...a relationship is an ongoing thing...not just something that occurs on Sunday's

Confession in front of the Church (public confession) is what I am referring to. And yes, I agree everyday is good too including daily prayer. But hey, I am not perfect, sometimes I am lazy, etc, etc.

Good for you for confessing everyday!