Once again those two commandments cannot save, whether they are joined or not.absolutely...the thing is what is the commandment that grants salvation
1 love the lord thy God
2. love thy neighbour as thyself
this is the catalogue of the 10 commandments...and
these two laws are joined by the Sabbath. Jesus is the Sabbath, he is Lord of the Sabbath.
This is my theory as to why it joins them.
Of course sin is the real problem and we were already condemned before the law was given. God had already destroyed mankind way before Exodus 20.Sin (breaking God's law) will not save anyone either David according to the scriptures *Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23. No one loves God by breaking Gods commandments. Love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and is why Jesus says on these two great commandments of love hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40.
Stop misleading people to help them keep God’s commandments, do you really hear what you are teaching people? You are teaching lawlessness. Without law, there is no need for grace or a Savior.Are you saying that the law still applies?
Common sense is of no value here.
Matthew 5:31-32
“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Where is that commandment in the law.
Stop misleading people with Exodus 20.
What happens if you get a divorce and transgress the commandment that Jesus gave?
You seem confused here David. Gods law does not save anyone. It only gives us the knowledge of what sin is when we break them according to the scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11. Sin (breaking Gods' law or not believing and following Gods' Word) is the thing that will keep us out of God's kingdom according to the scriptures if we continue to live without repentance, confession and returning to God through faith *Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 1:9; 1 John 2:1-4. What is it here that you do not believe?Of course sin is the real problem and we were already condemned before the law was given. God had already destroyed mankind way before Exodus 20.
Which commandment saves and which commandment shows you your sin?
Not so much confused as I know the commandments off by heart.You seem confused here David.
Amen to that. No one was ever saved by the works of the law.Gods law does not save anyone.
You appear to be wrong here.It only gives us the knowledge of what sin is when we break them
That is not true either. Everyone sins, everyone is a transgressor. If salvation was dependent on our level of obedience to the law. Then obviously no one is saved.(breaking Gods' law or not believing and following Gods' Word) is the thing that will keep us out of God's kingdom
Your quotations do not support what you said.according to the scriptures if we continue to live without repentance, confession and returning to God through faith *Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 1:9; 1 John 2:1-4. What is it here that you do not believe?
I teach Jesus Christ and love towards others, I have fulfilled everything the law demanded. I have the righteousness of Christ.Stop misleading people to help them keep God’s commandments, do you really hear what you are teaching people? You are teaching lawlessness. Without law, there is no need for grace or a Savior.
It was your application to God's law and God's grace I was referring to, not if you know Gods 10 commandments off by heart. This was already shown in the scriptures shared with you in the post you were quoting from.Not so much confused as I know the commandments off by heart.Amen to that. No one was ever saved by the works of the law.You appear to be wrong here.
Not really. According to the scriptures God's 10 commandments give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obeyed and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed; sin (moral wrong doing) when broken and righteousness (moral wrong doing) when obeyed *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 this is why Paul calls them Holy; just and good as they are the standard of moral right doing (good) and if broken sin (moral wrong doing. According to James if we break anyone of them including God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.It is not the breaking of any law that grants the knowledge of sin. It is the law itself that grants the knowledge of sin, whether you have broken the law or not.
Your response here...LoveGodsWord wrote: Sin (breaking Gods' law or not believing and following Gods' Word) is the thing that will keep us out of God's kingdom according to the scriptures if we continue to live without repentance, confession and returning to God through faith *Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 1:9; 1 John 2:1-4. What is it here that you do not believe?
Read the scriptures provided in the post you micro-quoted and left out. It is absolutely true. I added the full section of the quote and the scriptures you left out. Perhaps you did not see them.That is not true either. Everyone sins, everyone is a transgressor. If salvation was dependent on our level of obedience to the law. Then obviously no one is saved.
Your response...
The scriptures say exactly what they say. John says in 1 John 2:1 that the reason why John is writing is that we sin not. Sin is defined also by John in 1 John 3:4 as the transgression or the breaking of God's law agreeing with Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and James in James 2:10-11. This is why Jesus says unless we are born again to walk in God's Spirit we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7 because those who are born again according to John do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 because they have been made free to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16.Unless you are claiming that you have perfect obedience? Your quotations do not support what you said. 1 John 2:1-4 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world
No. Our sins are only forgiven and covered by the blood of Christ as we believe Gods' Word and follow what God's Word says. If we confess our sins and repent from them according to *1 John 1:9 and Acts of the Apostles 2:38 then we are covered by the blood of Christ. If we do not confess our sins and continue in known unrepentant sin we will die according to the scriptures *Romans 6:23; Romans 8:12 because we reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. We are not covered by the blood of Christ therefore to continue to practice known unrepentant sin.See how even if we sin our sins are covered by Jesus Christ. "and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." The answer to the problem of sin was taken care of by Jesus Christ.
No one wins if we do not believe and follow God's Word and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin once God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we reject Gods' Word in order to practice sin (breaking God's commandments) *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4:1-12.I win again.
Commandments dont save anyone. They are a moral compass by which the standard of Good and Evil is weighed.Once again those two commandments cannot save, whether they are joined or not.
You need to quote the commandment that saves.
My Bible has a lot more commandments....I teach Jesus Christ and love towards others, I have fulfilled everything the law demanded. I have the righteousness of Christ.
This is what Jesus commanded.
Matthew 5:31-32
“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Israelites were His chose people. The one He gave the Sabbath command. He didn't give it to anyone else.God is not the author of confusion. Does God say its okay to murder for everyone except Jews? Or lie, or steal? If you are of Christ than you are part of God's Israel. God said keeping Sabbath is a sign between God and His people. Ezekiel 20:12. Ezekiel 20:20 Are only Jews His people?
There is no truth in that statement.God set the precedence for His commandments to be called My commandments in the Ten Commandments- does God have to repeat Himself for you to listen and obey?
He didn't say ten commandments. He gave Israel 613 commandments.This verse is found inside God's Ten commandments
Exodus 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Would He have mercy on those who broke the commandment not to touch the Ark of the Covenant? That one must have been more important than coveting.Also note who God shows mercy to. Is it to those who obey or disobey?
What was the command that Jesus gave us? 1Jn 3:19-24 will reveal what commandments Jn was referring, guess what, it wasn't the ten.The same sentiment is found throughout the bible.
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
Which commandments?Revelations 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
All the commands found in the Royal Law of Love. Notice the one Ellen said had a "halo" around it is never once mentioned.In contrast to those outside of God's Kingdom who break His commandments
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
A reference to God's Ten commandments.
What about an eye for an eye, divorce, oaths ad love your enemies????????Jesus directly quoted from God's Ten, do you think what Jesus tells us is important?
Mathew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
Another direct reference to God's Ten commandments.
Where did I fail to use scripture since you "noticed"? I will be glad to rectify any place I failed to do so. See all the scripture I make red and some that I even bold. Could it be that you wrote something that is not true?I would be careful what you are teaching others here. I noticed you didn't provide scripture to back up your claims.
Do you really believe Jesus was limiting the commandments just to the ten? Just a couple of verses down He mentions some from the oral commands God told Moses to write down. Wouldn't verse 19 mean every command God ever gave to man? Why is it your church ignores most all of the commands God ever made? I would think since the church has one foot in the old covenant that it would be teaching every command. According to verse 19 your church isn't the remnant, but just another church with some rules that make it unique and sound so important that some people fall for the bait.Jesus said:
Mathew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
According to your own theory about Matt 5:19 it is you that is breaking all the commandments. Oy! friend, what does it take to convince you old covenant ritual laws are not part of the new covenant? I certainly am not breaking laws that were never ever given to anyone except the Israelites.I know that's not what you want, so you might want to consider re-thinking the message you are advocating that its okay to break God's laws when God asked us to keep them as an expression of our love for Him.
Thanks for openly recognizing that fact. You are so fixated on the ten that I thought those were the only ones you knew about.My Bible has a lot more commandments....
True, now you need to know which laws God gave to Israel are binding on Christians. We know that laws, we are able to categorize as being of a ritual nature, were only given to one nation, Israel. The weekly Sabbath was one of the ritual laws made only for Israel to keep. That is a fact, so since the Sabbath law is not binding on me it is not something I am accountable. Your church is telling you an untruth.We do not fulfill God's laws by breaking them. They are filled when we love Him and obey.
Interesting, but Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. The Sabbath day will continue to be God's chosen day of worship, for those saved on the New Earth- Isaiah 66:23. I am pretty sure people with all types of nationalities will be saved because there is not Jews or Gentiles if you are one of God's people.Thanks for openly recognizing that fact. You are so fixated on the ten that I thought those were the only ones you knew about.
True, now you need to know which laws God gave to Israel are binding on Christians. We know that laws, we are able to categorize as being of a ritual nature, were only given to one nation, Israel. The weekly Sabbath was one of the ritual laws made only for Israel to keep. That is a fact, so since the Sabbath law is not binding on me it is not something I am accountable. Your church is telling you an untruth.
I don't think the world is sinless.Interesting, but Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27. The Sabbath day will continue to be God's chosen day of worship, for those saved on the New Earth- Isaiah 66:23. I am pretty sure people with all types of nationalities will be saved because there is not Jews or Gentiles if you are one of God's people.
I value God's commandments because God did and Jesus taught about them. Sadly, many feel like you do which is why we have a need for a Savior, so we do not have to live for eternity, in a sinless, loveless world like we are in today.
God told us the Sabbath is a day to keep holy. Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.I don't think the world is sinless.
The Sabbath is a rest day not a day for worship.
We worship 24/7 now.
An Adult lot of supposition and interpretation there Bob...if you don't mind please let the Bible speak for itself...where is that famous verse that says keep Sunday as the gentile Sabbath?Israelites were His chose people. The one He gave the Sabbath command. He didn't give it to anyone else.
There is no truth in that statement.
He didn't say ten commandments. He gave Israel 613 commandments.
Would He have mercy on those who broke the commandment not to touch the Ark of the Covenant? That one must have been more important than coveting.
What was the command that Jesus gave us? 1Jn 3:19-24 will reveal what commandments Jn was referring, guess what, it wasn't the ten.
Which commandments?
All the commands found in the Royal Law of Love. Notice the one Ellen said had a "halo" around it is never once mentioned.
What about an eye for an eye, divorce, oaths ad love your enemies????????
By the way, all of those verses Jesus was teaching were to the Jews He came to save. Jesus taught from the Torah and all He was teaching were under Torah law. The new covenant didn't start until Calvary where Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own Blood.
Where did I fail to use scripture since you "noticed"? I will be glad to rectify any place I failed to do so. See all the scripture I make red and some that I even bold. Could it be that you wrote something that is not true?
Do you really believe Jesus was limiting the commandments just to the ten? Just a couple of verses down He mentions some from the oral commands God told Moses to write down. Wouldn't verse 19 mean every command God ever gave to man? Why is it your church ignores most all of the commands God ever made? I would think since the church has one foot in the old covenant that it would be teaching every command. According to verse 19 your church isn't the remnant, but just another church with some rules that make it unique and sound so important that some people fall for the bait.
According to your own theory about Matt 5:19 it is you that is breaking all the commandments. Oy! friend, what does it take to convince you old covenant ritual laws are not part of the new covenant? I certainly am not breaking laws that were never ever given to anyone except the Israelites.
Hi Adam, I am beginning to wonder about you. You continue to make statements about me, but never identify anything. That is a poor way to debate my friend. I asked you to identify where I have committed all that you accuse me of doing, so I can amend my writing skills and you just ignore me. Your statements must just be your way of getting some wiggle room since you will not or cannot answer any of my questions.An Adult lot of supposition and interpretation there Bob...
Let's get something straight. If you think that I am going to defend Sunday as being any different than any other day you have another think coming. Your question is nothing but a rabbit trail. Let's stay on the subject.if you don't mind please let the Bible speak for itself...where is that famous verse that says keep Sunday as the gentile Sabbath?
Now that really is a "lot of supposition and interpretation" there Adam. Where do I go to check out if what you write is the truthGod gave the birthright to the gentiles. Do you not understand what this means?
It means everything the Jews had was now given to the Gentiles...including the law.
Where did I state such a thingAll the stories, all of the expectations, all of the rewards...everything. a birthright is not unlike the spoils of war...you take everything. Your statement "the 10 commandments were only given to the Jews is absolutely false.
Boy!!! you hung me without a trial. What is it that made you get so worked up with something we have not discussedYour problem is you are saying on the one hand , God didn't spell it out for them, then on the other you attempt to suppose the complete opposite without a single commandment anywhere in the Bible where God specifically said "keep my resurrection Holy and worship me on that day." There isn't even a record of the Christian role model (Jesus) worshipping on Sunday...not a single instance. Why would a Christian role model not live the very example you claim he has set?
The fact is, YOU created that belief, and are living a different life to that which he modelled to us!
I get it, you are telling me, in a nice way, that I am going to Hell because I do not worship on a day that God gave to the Israelite nation and ended at Calvary where the new covenant took the place of the old one. Nice try, but you, thankfully, are not the judge.Bob, Samuel said to king Saul "to obey is better than to sacrifice"
King Saul paid dearly for his mistake in not following that principle.
They have you hook, line, and sinker reeled in and spreading all their falsehood. Funny thing Adam you are telling me something I have never read. God didn't worship on that first seventh-day, He RESTED. And Ex 20 was not the time the Sabbath was introduced. It was introduced soon after the Israelites passing through the Red Sea.The first biblical reference for the seventh day of worship is Creation...not Exodus 20!
Hi Adam, you `seem to have taken the role of tutor yet you have not given me anything to read or any reason to believe you have a true message. Why won't you shareBob, as I said...
When the birthright was given to the gentiles, everything contained within the birthright due to the firstborn is also given. That also included the law.
You simply do not understand the principle. I suggest you study it further.
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