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If you do not eat pork, Christ will profit you nothing

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LittleLambofJesus, May 28, 2013.

  1. justbyfaith

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    Enlighten me.
     
  2. justbyfaith

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    @yeshuaslavejeff,

    Because you disagree with my posts, you speak condescendingly to gain an advantage by trying to make yourself look superior. This is the tactic of bullies. And it also reminds me of Jude 1:16, which speaks of those who have men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
     
  3. SonOfZion

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    Paul was looking forward to keeping the feast of Pentecost in Jerusalem. Acts of the Apostles 20:16

    So was Paul bringing himself into bondage? Was he observing the very "weak and beggarly elements" that he told the Galatians not to observe?

    how turn ye again

    the Galatians were formerly idol worshipers: Galatians 4:8

    They did not formerly keep the Sabbath and Feast Days

    how turn ye again - Return

    Bondage again to the elements of the world: Galatians 4:3

    Galatians 4:12 Paul says to be as I am - they have not injured him at all -

    They were not only returning to keeping pagan days, observing New Years, Ishtar day, mythra's birthday, celebrated on 12/25 before Yeshua was even born Julian calendar though - also they were being bombarded with those that taught salvation through circumcision, and Paul frustrated, understandably says they should go all the way and emasculate themselves. Galatians 5:12 - The reason for the Jerusalem council Acts of the Apostles 15:1 Adult Circumcision for salvation, a burden even the fathers' could not bare.

    They went back to keeping pagan days, as they never kept His Appointments in the past, being they were idol worshippers.

    Answer #224 No
     
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  4. justbyfaith

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    re #223:

    In context, if you go further down in the passage, Galatians 4:21, the Galatians were desiring to be under the law in observing days and months and times and years.
     
  5. justbyfaith

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    Paul did not cease to be a Jew when he became the apostle to the Gentiles. So he would have delighted in doing Jewish things himself. But his purpose as the apostle to the Gentiles was to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, that Messiah died on the Cross for their sins. The law was secondary. It had/has nothing to do with salvation, except that it is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ by showing them their sin (Galatians 3:24-25, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7) and thus their need of a Saviour. And after we come to faith in Christ, it is written on our hearts and minds. Jesus said that all the law and the prophets hang on two commandments. So I say, Jesus reduce me to love.
     
  6. yeshuaslavejeff

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    I only disagree with your mis-understanding of Scripture and your posts in error teaching false teachings that you learned from false teachers.

    You are acting like a false teacher who claims those telling the truth are bullies, because the truth exposes their errors and they can't do anything else.

    Why you have such trouble I don't know and am not at this time pursuing, since you seem to want to keep that which you falsely accuse me of - you want to keep the admiration (or approval) of your peers who taught you or agree with your errors.
     
  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    If you want to be enlightened, to know the truth, seek the truth , prayerfully!, and keep seeking the truth, and then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

    That is Yahweh's Promise, and He Always Honors His Promise. His Word cannot be broken.
     
  8. SonOfZion

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    In Context

    Galatians 4:17 They zealously court you, for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them.

    They were being manipulated, so that they would be zealous for those that Paul said was bringing another Gospel, and the same when some Jews would not eat with converts that were not circumcised.

    Peer pressure to get them to conform

    Galatians 4:18 ( It is Good to be Zealous in a Good Thing, according to Truth) Acts of the Apostles 21:20

    What does it mean to be "under the law" In this case it means to submit to the "Good News" of the Circumcision. Learn all the Torah and obey it, get circumcised, then you are Abraham's seed and declared Righteous.

    True Good News - Repent and Receive YESHUA Acts of the Apostles 2:38

    With this in Mind, now read Galatians 4:21

    Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

    Ishmael was born after the flesh - Abraham attempting to fulfill YHWH's promise that He would have a son with Hagar, The Torah on Stone

    Isaac was born after the Spirit, A Miracle, As Sarah was well past child baring years. The Torah upon New Hearts of Flesh

    Ishmael - Keeping the Torah for Salvation - Own Effort

    Isaac - The Promise, A new birth - Keeping the Torah, the result of Salvation. Messiah In you the hope of Glory, He does the Work.
     
  9. justbyfaith

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    If you think that I am teaching falsely, then back up your words by showing from scripture how my teaching is false. Otherwise, shut up. You are a bully. Expose my teaching as error if you can. Otherwise, shut up. For you have not exposed my teaching as error, but have only insulted me time and time again, in order to make yourself look superior. And I am not inferior to you. My Bible reading regimen is probably much more extensive than yours. I read through all the epistles once a week, through the gospels, Acts and Revelation about once a month, and through the Old Testament more slowly, about twice every three years and a little more, because in some sections I read through them more quickly so I read through them more times in the same amount of time that I read the Pentateuch (Genesis-Deuteronomy) and the major prophets (Isaiah-Daniel) twice in three years (A chapter a day in seven sections). And this is not necessarily to say that I am better than you; for it is written, "Knowledge puffeth up, but charity (love) edifieth" (1 Corinthians 8:1-3).
     
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    I have done this for many years, and the truth has indeed set me free.
     
  11. justbyfaith

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    I'm not sure how you think this goes against anything I have said. In fact, it substantiates my words. So I assume you were simply agreeing with me and wanted to show scriptural support for my statements? Thank you friend!
     
  12. justbyfaith

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    @yeshuaslavejeff,

    As for your prejudice against Calvary Chapel; it is all about Jesus, not a specific church denomination or group.
     
  13. SonOfZion

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    Quite to the contrary, I live a few miles from calvary chapel Bible college in Murrieta California - And have personally talked to hundreds of Chuck Smithites, they do not keep the Torah at all, not something CC teaches is the Result of Salvation - CC has the most arrogant people of any denomination I have ever encountered.

    Twice, once at Calvary Chapel in Menifee (Scott Rd), they called the police on me for putting flyers on cars parked on a public street, the police came and said, It wasn't against the Law. I Was not talking to anybody while placing the flyers. But the CC parking security broke the law by taking the tracts off the cars without permission of the owners. That is against the Law

    The other time at the college (Murrieta Hot Springs Rd.) , handing out tracts to people going in and out, they called the police, I was on a public sidewalk, not breaking the law... Police came and left.

    I have handed out tracts at LDS, JW kingdom halls and many other places, and never once did another group call the police.... Something is seriously wrong with the spirit of calvary chapelites.

    We do not agree.

    flier - flyers tracking - tracts

    The subject of the message being shared in both instances was the rapture. They were printed by me at home.

    Tri-fold, front and back

    I live in Menifee easily verified by my IP - The spelling of Murrieta previously was incorrect, and a few other things. two r one t - try not to forget. o duh on me. Being in this area for as long as I have been around here.

    There are a few other encounters now that I think about it, one Involved a helicopter following me, until pulled over. Questioned and let go. Nothing (That pastor exposed his wife for having an affair in front of the whole congregation, then come to find out, he has a girlfriend in the Philippines, who he may have since married, he was my daughters softball coach) She is presently teaching in Switzerland, while she is on break, studying to be a RN, A graduate of San Diego State, My oldest son is a Fireman in a nearby city - My other daughter which made me a grandfather twice is married to a Naval officer, A graduate of Annapolis, she also has her degree, my youngest son, taking his time, deciding what he wants to be.

    4, Two Boys and Two Girls, Thank YAH, they are not tatted, well adjusted individuals - 3 believe, And 1, not yet, She will. Hosea 4:6

    And another, this time on McCall Rd. CC meeting at the Middle School, I had just left the parking lot, and as I was leaving on the access road, the police were arriving, and I didn't turn around. (The CC parking security took off the tracts there also - not sure about that one, they said they rented the whole parking lot, but other activities were taking place, so I call cow pie.

    So four times altogether, three times with a beard, maybe they thought me was the Taliban. ROFL
     
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  14. yeshuaslavejeff

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    No prejudice at all. Look up the reports online if you care to. They apparently left Jesus behind, and are not trying to follow Him, and worse, have led many in a false gospel for years now.
     
  15. justbyfaith

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    Proverbs 14:4 says, Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox.

    There are now many Calvary Chapels all over the world; and when you put people into the ministry there is liable to be a mess in any instance, because people are people and not everyone has been sanctified. I think that if you look at all the Calvary Chapels, the majority of them do not have the kinds of problems that you are speaking of; I know that the one that I attend doesn't have these problems.

    There was a time that I considered that Calvary Chapel might be designated Sardis because I always felt that it has a name that it is alive; but these exchanges have shown me differently; Calvary Chapel is persecuted as a church name, and that to me means that it is very likely not Sardis but may even be Philadelphia by designation. Or, it may be Ephesus. Because the church at Ephesus was concerned about false doctrine; and by your report the Calvary Chapels that you were attempting to proselytize did something about what they felt to be false doctrine by putting a stop to the spreading of it by you. In other words, they very likely felt that they were protecting their flock from false teachers.
     
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    You certainly know then, what the nature of this false gospel is. Would you care to explain it to us?

    Calvary Chapel teaches through the word of God from Genesis to Revelation. They rely on the commentaries that came out of the great revivals of the past, and from such names as A.W. Tozer, R.A. Torrey, D.L. Moody, Charles Spurgeon, and Warren Weirsbe, Matthew Henry, etc. Also the founder of the movement, Chuck Smith, was a dynamic teacher of the word of God.

    Calvary Chapel originated out of the Jesus Movement of the 1960's, in which many of the hippies came to faith in Jesus Christ in a revival that has continued to this day, in many Calvary Chapels being planted all over the world. If there are some bad apples in the batch, that doesn't mean the whole batch is unworthy, now, does it?
     
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    Meet the anointed LSD taking homosexual that chuck smith said was used by God.
    Minute 3:50

    He was very instrumental in the beginning of CC and the Jesus movement.



    chuck smith taught that the rapture would occur before 1981

    Future Survival, 1978. Page 20. “From my understanding of Biblical prophesies, I’m convinced that The Lord is coming for His Church before 1981. I could be wrong, but it’s a deep conviction in my heart, and all my plans are predicted upon that belief.”

    Also from Future Survival, page 17.

    “We’re the generation that saw the fig tree bud forth, as Israel became a nation again in 1948. As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years. The children of Israel journeyed in the wilderness for 40 years until that generation died. Forty years after 1948 would bring us to 1988.”

    There is another Smith who also started a movement The LDS - LSD had not been invented though when he did his work that now has churches worldwide. The burning in the bosum proves that it's real.


    Matthew 24:5

    Many coming in His Name, Saying that YESHUA is the Messiah, but deceiving them in the process.
     
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  18. justbyfaith

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    Matthew 24:5, For many shall come in my name, saying, "I am Christ," and shall deceive many.

    1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

    Those who come deceiving will come deceiving people into thinking that they are the Christ; they will claim to be Christ: it does not there say that any deceivers will proclaim that Jesus is the Christ. For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks, and therefore if they say that Jesus is the Christ it is because they believe that He is the Christ. And if they believe He is the Christ they are born of God: that means they are destined for heaven: and no deceiver is destined for heaven.

    I read about Lonnie Frisbee. Chuck Smith disassociated him from the Calvary Chapel movement when the news of his homosexuality came out. In the eulogy at his funeral Chuck said he was a Samson-like figure who had the anointing of the Holy Spirit but was unable to deal with certain temptations of the flesh. Remember Samson? Who had enormous physical strength because the Spirit was upon him but fell into lustful experiences with Delilah and certain other Philistine women. It just goes to show that God can speak through and use anyone. He used a donkey to talk to Balaam.

    It is evident that many people came to faith in Christ through Lonnie's ministry. It has been said that the Holy Spirit has three relations to men. With some, He comes to dwell in them. Another relationship He has to men is that He comes upon them. And with the unbelieving world, He is with them. The Holy Spirit works holiness into a man when He dwells in him. He may perform the work of the ministry through a man when He comes upon him. And He convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment because He is with them. So the Holy Spirit may have been upon Lonnie for the sake of winning so many souls to Christ; while Lonnie himself may have never surrendered to the Lord concerning the specific things in his life that would have saved him had he surrendered.

    Only God knows if Lonnie went to heaven or hell; but we do know that God used him mightily although his personal life was not what we would necessarily attribute to someone we would call truly born again.
     
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  19. SonOfZion

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    Coming in His Name

    Claiming to be sent under His Authority

    That's what the plain reading of the Text says - Stop in the name of the law - By the Authority of

    So they are coming, saying it is by His authority, Saying " I AM Messiah" and shall deceive many.

    Your interpretation was popular back when new age, guru commune cults were in style.

    And Chuck would say, that is what the verse is referring to, those guys

    But that's Not what the verse says.

    Chapter by chapter, verse by verse, he got it wrong.
     
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  20. justbyfaith

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    It is what the verse says: people coming in Jesus' name, claiming to be Jesus Christ themselves. Saying, "I am Christ."

    If they come proclaiming that Jesus is the Christ then they are born of God, and it is impossible that they could be a deceiver. Again, 1 John 5:1.
     
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