If I'm an Atheist and I am not a bad person, will I go to hell?

[Archaeopteryx]

An atheist may regard a set of conditions different to a theist, you are still aligning yourself with a system of belief; either you choose to accept or reject those parameters.

If you believe there is no God, you systematically look to prove said belief.

Where did I claim that there is no God?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It's not for sale. You either understand or you don't.

You can either explain it or you can't.

 

[Messy]

And 2/3 of the worlds population don't.

Well time for the sons of God to stand up and do the works of Jesus.

 

[svdbygrace]

That is a very Calvinistic point of view. The Scripture is very straight forward about the "choices" that we have. We can either choose to accept or reject the Grace given to us by Gospel of Jesus Christ.


That is a very Calvinistic point of view. The Scripture is very straight forward about the "choices" that we have. We can either choose to accept or reject the Grace given to us by Gospel of Jesus Christ. God give us the opportunity to choose, we are not divine automatons.

Can you show me?

Do we make choices? Everyday.

Please show me where our decision plays a role in salvation in Eph 2:8-9. By grace through faith. Not of ourselves lest any man should boast. Do you boast of your decision to invite Christ into your heart?

 

[bhsmte]

Who decides what is moral and/or corrupt? As I said before, you needn't concern yourself with the opinions of others.

Doesn't your Christian theology give you some guidance here?

 

[Kirsten]

You can either explain it or you can't.

I already did.

 

[Kirsten]

Well time for the sons of God to stand up and do the works of Jesus.

We don't do the works of Jesus, He works through His people as He wills.

 

[Kirsten]

Doesn't your Christian theology give you some guidance here?

I am asking YOU.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I already did.

You asserted it, yes. And I told you I don't buy it. You worship. I don't.

 

[Kirsten]

You asserted it, yes. And I told you I don't buy it. You worship. I don't.

As I said, it's not for sale. We are all created to worship God. You have no choice in the matter. If you don't worship Him you will worship someone or something else. My guess is it is your own life.

 

[bhsmte]

Clearly you could care less as you continue to complain that some people think you are morally corrupt.
What is entertaining to me is that people like you are so concerned about Christians judging you.. and yet here you are, judging Christians.
Hypocrite much?

When did I judge someone from a personal standpoint? Please point this out.

I am simply asking questions to understand why people believe what they do. In regards to dooming people regardless of the life they lead and because they don't believe in your theology, yes, I do believe this is morally corrupt.

 

[bhsmte]

As I said, it's not for sale. We are all created to worship God. You have no choice in the matter. If you don't worship Him you will worship someone or something else. My guess is it is your own life.

Then I guess you can keep guessing and keep telling yourself how others think, better than they can themselves.

 

[GodBlessed777]

Can you show me?

Do we make choices? Everyday.

Please show me where our decision plays a role in salvation in Eph 2:8-9. By grace through faith. Not of ourselves lest any man should boast. Do you boast of your decision to invite Christ into your heart?

I don't boast on anything. The Holy Spirit convicted me of sin, I could have hardened my heart and rejected the Gospel. But I didn't, I accepted His gift of grace. I'm saved by His work on the cross and nothing that I've could've done.

That Scripture is referring to someone who believes that by being a good person and doing good works: feeding the poor, helping others, paying taxes, being a good mother or father, etc., will be saved by these actions. It's not referring to believing in the only way to the Father, Jesus. We are not divine automatons.

 

[Messy]

We don't do the works of Jesus, He works through His people as He wills.

Sure and if we don't believe He wants to pop a finger out or raise a dead man we just blame the atheists for having no faith.

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

 

[bhsmte]

They will, but they were not intended to. If you reject God, just as Lucifer did, then you will join him. You do have a choice in the matter.

Then it would appear, part of hell's purpose is for certain humans to go there. At least according to your theology.

 

[nonbeliever314]

First off, I have ears to hear, I heard it, and it is absolutely repulsive that if a generally "good hearted" person (not necessarily saying myself) would burn in hell just because they didn't accept Jesus as their savior. A child in a third world country at this very instant is suffering and dying, and "God forbid" they have never even heard of Jesus, because either they are too young, or it's just not a part of their culture. So their whole life is a living hell, and when that one is over, a new eternal hell begins. That sickens my stomach. AND PLEASE DON'T SAY "OH WELL, GOD WOULD TAKE THEM TO HEAVEN ANYWAY". Christianity, Judaism, and Islam to name a few, rule people by fear. You must absolutely love, and absolutely fear at the SAME TIME the God you hold up so high. You're forced to love a God and accept his son as the savior, not because you want to, but because you have no choice but to, because if you don't, you will suffer for all eternity. In the end there is no other conclusion other than that fear is what drives people to believe. Any reason you give as to why you accept Jesus will ultimately point back to the fear of damnation.

Religions in general, way before Christianity were always there to explain something that people didn't understand, and I find that totally reasonable. But when a religion comes along that attempts to induce total fear in people in the most subtle, sinister way imaginable, that's insane. Instead of a benign belief system, that just says "Hey, the bright light in the sky is [insert name here], that god creates the day", etc. You get one that utterly manipulates people into complete control, through fear, and at the same time makes them think that it's their choice, convinces them it's because some infinitely powerful deity actually "loves" a creation that is infinitely less than itself, and if this creation doesn't "love" it back it will "stick them under a magnifying glass and burn them with sunlight" forever. And lastly, it claims to have the meaning to things that don't necessarily have meaning. It tries to overcome nihilism, at the very least in the existential way.

CGL1023 you don't have to pray for me. Your gesture is appreciated, but at the same time I think (not believe) it is not general act of good will towards me, but a reaction to the deeply rooted fear that you need to be what your God expects you to be. Not praying for me to be saved when you're well aware from my previous post that I will definitely not be unless I have some type of realization would reflect poorly on you in the eyes of your God.

SOMEONE RESPOND TO THIS PLEASE. I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. (Yes, I quoted myself to bump this up...)

 

[Kirsten]

When did I judge someone from a personal standpoint? Please point this out.

I am simply asking questions to understand why people believe what they do. In regards to dooming people regardless of the life they lead and because they don't believe in your theology, yes, I do believe this is morally corrupt.

You are not in the least bit interested in understanding why people believe what they do. You want to mock Christians for believing they know the truth and you don't. You cannot make any claim as to what is moral, right, wrong, evil, or good. You have no basis for such things. Truth is relative for people who reject God. There is no such thing as moral for people like you. Morality for non-believers is whatever your opinion happens to be at the time.

 

[Kirsten]

SOMEONE RESPOND TO THIS PLEASE. I'M VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. (Yes, I quoted myself to bump this up...)

Who says you are goodhearted?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

As I said, it's not for sale. We are all created to worship God. You have no choice in the matter. If you don't worship Him you will worship someone or something else. My guess is it is your own life.

I value my own life, but I don't even know what it would mean to "worship" it.

 

[bhsmte]

As Jesus said they wouldn't.

He can't do anything about it then?