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I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Gottservant, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    Evolution has nothing to do with philosophy, it's purely a biological process in reaction to environmental pressures on a population of animals. That's it.
     
  2. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    The imagination requires an object.

    That's all I'm saying.

    I could say more, but if you can't understand that (that the imagination requires an object), there is not a lot I can say.

    It won't be the end of the world, if I can't use Evolution (the way people use Philosophy, for example), but you may suffer in the long run, thinking it can save you (in its current form) most needfully from a dying expectation (of things that can be "survived", in principle).
     
  3. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    But evolution isn't used like philosophy. Evolution is scientific fact of biology and is used in medicine, conservation, engineering, all sorts of scientific disciplines.

    Your comment about 'the imagination requires an object' is ridiculous and nonsensical in talking about evolution and again shows that you haven't learny anything about evolution and I honestly think that you don't want to.
     
  4. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    How can you not understand, that I am trying to use my "imagination"?

    You have no foundation and no discernment, it seems.

    Philosophy makes a distinction and tries to live by it, but according to your "Evolution" you can't learn that?
     
  5. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    Evolution is simply a chance in an animal due to selection pressures in its environment. How are you not getting this?

    It isn't a philosophy, it isn't a religion, it isn't imagination, it is simple and factual science.
     
  6. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    What do you think we develop the temporal lobes for, if not for imagination? We know this?

    You're trying to say "Nah, believe in Evolution, for no reason"? Really?

    Seriously don't waste my time, if you can't even grasp that familiarity with a selection pressure increases odds of survival - you aren't taking function seriously at all.

    (It's making me kind of angry, actually, maybe not at you, but definitely the Devil that is putting you up to this change for "no reason" nonsense).
     
  7. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    If you don't want to learn about evolution, then why do you keep asking questions about evolution?

    You can't even explain what familiarity with a selection pressure is.

    Also, no, don't try and blame this on the devil or anyone or anything. I am annoyed because you make no attempt at explaining anything you say and all you do is talk nonsense and ask nonsense questions about a topic that is very easy to learn.
     
  8. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Let me ask you something, that I used my imagination to discern.

    Go slow if you need to: I can use English, to end this sentence... in "another" language..., da?

    It's sleight of hand! The English and the foreign language are distinct - no amount of speaking German at the end, will change the fact that the sentence was intended to be English?

    Yet that is precisely what you do suggesting that slime will become mime.
     
  9. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Familiarity is epigenetic information about an adaptation, that makes it more viable.
     
  10. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    As I said, it's an adaptation that has already been bred into a gene via mutation.
    So then there is no need for an animal to go backwards since the pressure has already been selected for in the genome and the animal population has already evolved to adapt to that pressure, since it cannot re-adapt in response to that pressure.
     
  11. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    That's where you are confused: you don't need mutation to become familiar with a selection pressure, design can vary the blueprints on its own - and by process of elimination of Evolution, the right set of responses will be arrived at.
     
  12. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    In evolutionary science, you do need a mutation to become familiar with a selection pressure since that's what an adaptation is.
    You can't show a blueprint or design for evolution, and also process of elimination is natural selection, a part of evolutionary theory, in its simplest form.

    Buddy, you need to work on your condescension, your attitude and your own education.
     
  13. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    He has, by his own admission, schizophrenia.
     
  14. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know. It is a well known fact. I still don't see it as an excuse.
     
  15. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    If you don't keep the epigenetics, there is nothing to pass on (to the next generation).

    If I had not told you how important genetic ordinance was, you would have no sin, but now you have both rejected my imagination and the importance of giving it an object, therefore your sin remains.

    If I become familiar with the familiar, have I not adapted it?
     
  16. Warden_of_the_Storm

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    Genetics has nothing to do with sin. You need to stop trying to conflate evolution and religion. You really need to stop.

    And you are just saying what I am saying: if you become 'familiar', if you adapt to deal with a selection pressure, then you have evolved to deal with that selection pressure so it stops becoming a selection pressure.
     
  17. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Your mistake is to think that it is the schizophrenia making me hard to understand (not that certain people don't understand, just that equally some do not), when it is in fact "dysintellexia" (inability to function intelligently).

    If I have said something impressive, feel free to repeat it - just don't come to me saying "I wish God had made you more intelligent" when its too much of a strain to interpret what I have said slowly.

    I mean, my schizophrenia is fundamentally different to what it was even half a decade ago, but unfortunately there has not been an equal improvement in my dysintellexia as of yet.

     
  18. Estrid

    Estrid Well-Known Member

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    As in sorry, too bad and
    As in this s nothing to debate here.
     
  19. Kylie

    Kylie Defeater of Illogic

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    No, I don't see what you are saying. We did not evolve temporal lobes to facilitate evolution.
     
  20. Hans Blaster

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    This might be the hardest part of evolution to comprehend, but evolution has no plan, no contingency. It has no mind so it cannot plan. What looks like contingency may just be something that was useful in the past, hasn't been discarded, and ends up being useful in the future.
     
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