I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

well ... if one is going to debate (compare) creation vs. evolution (apples to apples) the origin of life has to be included ... because the biblical claim is God created EVERYTHING, firstly the universe (environment) where life could be sustained .... scientifically regarding that .... there are and can only be theories (and there are many in that regard).

The questions evolution answers and explains so well is not where did life come from or arise, but why is it so diverse, and why does that diversity have the distinct pattern that it does?

If 'God-did-it' is the creation explanation, it still needs to explain why life is so diverse and why that diversity has the distinct pattern that it does (IOW, why did God make it so diverse and why in a pattern precisely matching the evolutionary explanation?). Otherwise, as I've said elsewhere, it's no more explanatory than saying "It's Magic!".

 

[Phred]

well ... if one is going to debate (compare) creation vs. evolution (apples to apples) the origin of life has to be included ... because the biblical claim is God created EVERYTHING, firstly the universe (environment) where life could be sustained .... scientifically regarding that .... there are and can only be theories (and there are many in that regard). Same is true about any other belief about the origin of life. The universe is vast and can not be completely observed ... much less fully understood and can only theorized.

Then you should be comparing it to a theory called Abiogenesis. That's the theory that explains where life came from. I'm sorry, but you don't get to decide what a theory should contain because of what the Bible says. We base those theories upon the phenomena they explain, not the fairy tales they happen to be closest to.

An idea (formulated thought(s) or opinion(s) are not indisputable fact(s) ... same is
true about God or any other "idea(s)" about the origin of life.

What IS true ... is ... that we don't know HOW the origin of life began (scientifically or otherwise) we only have ideas about it. Therefore people have their own thoughts and opinions about the matter.

Does it matter? Perhaps .... if the biblical account is true there is life after death ....
if not then there isn't? Don't believe in life after death? ... ok .... that's one's choice to believe that ... also nothing wrong with believing otherwise.

Bottom line .... WE DO NOT KNOW ... only have ideas about it and each decide what idea(s) they choose to believe and there are many beliefs.

One is supported by data. The other is not. It's not "an idea." It is a formulated series of constructs based upon evidence and work. A lot of work. We don't "believe" it. We accept it.

 

[FredVB]

The Bible does not explain the things, the Bible tells the readers God made everything. How can what God does be explained by limited creation? That's not possible. But does science disprove it? No, science does not disprove it, just using the philosophy that is the general approach in science, that everything is explainable with natural processes. But they are not. There are all the fossils, this is not being denied. I have a mostly young earth understanding, but don't answer about my belief in a 6000 year old earth, I have not been saying anything for that for a long time. And the old earth part of my understanding is about the unformed world which we were not told how long ago it was made, before the creation of the atmosphere, land and seas, with all the life. And the many kinds that God put here could still diversify, without them having all started from the same ancestry. So there would have been more species. But now, there is so much extinction happening, there could be less species, or soon will be.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The Bible does not explain the things, the Bible tells the readers God made everything. How can what God does be explained by limited creation? That's not possible. But does science disprove it? No, science does not disprove it, just using the philosophy that is the general approach in science, that everything is explainable with natural processes. But they are not. There are all the fossils, this is not being denied. I have a mostly young earth understanding, but don't answer about my belief in a 6000 year old earth, I have not been saying anything for that for a long time. And the old earth part of my understanding is about the unformed world which we were not told how long ago it was made, before the creation of the atmosphere, land and seas, with all the life. And the many kinds that God put here could still diversify, without them having all started from the same ancestry. So there would have been more species. But now, there is so much extinction happening, there could be less species, or soon will be.

Why are you responding to a four year old dead thread?