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I have time only to comment on a few.

I think I know enough about the scriptures and I know about Christian Faith now. My age has nothing to do with this.

1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.

Do you know how genealogies were used in ancient times? They are not merely consecutive lists.

2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn't Paul guilty of deception?

How do you know that Paul did not have access to other statements of Jesus? He had spoken to other apostles and it is likely that otehrs had remembered and recorded more of Jesus' teaching than we have in the NT.

3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus
healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.

Different authors used materials according to their overall purposes. Thus some details can differ. There are two incompatible aco[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]s of Hannibal's crossing into Europe. Yet no one denies the event did happen.

4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

See above
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.

6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.

See above. Also did Jesus only do that once or several times?

7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.

Not the Messiah John was expecting, henece his quetsions.

8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.

Could be both on different occasions

15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

Different accounts according to theme and purpose. Any historian selects their material.

16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.

That was a literary device. Matthew is composed of sections. Jesus undoubtedly gave similar teachings to different audiences and like any public teacher could modify what he said according to his audeince and circumstances. Luke has a shortened account of the mountain teaching which is not set on a mountain

18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."

A Greek woman living there would come from Canaan.

19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.

Same story? Not necessarily

26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.

Not at all. Get some understanding of the context before rushing into a conclusion

32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22

Poor theology

35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

Context must come first, Under what circumstances was the unforgivable sin mentioned and what was its specific meaning to the original audience?

36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

Exegetical principles apply here. You don't seem to know much about how to interpret ancient texts

40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31

Cultural context is critical here.Do some research.

41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

Point being?

42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.

Indeed it is, but not dictated to a person with an otherwise blank mind. Each book had its author who was active in style, genre, materials used and their arrangement, theme and purpose.

Here's a few of hundreds.

My comments are in bold.

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There really is no point arguing with you people. Your so blinded by faith that you'll believe anything is true.

Edit: There really is no point arguing with you. You're so blinded by faith that you'll believe anything is true.

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Its much better to say "I don't know" then "it must be God!".

But, evolution is a fact and theory. That is how we came to be.

There is no "problem" with evolution, the issue is Chemicals do not evolve so how do you go from chemicals bouncing around to life?
 
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There are many many things that science hasn't explained. The tools we use to analyze things are constantly evolving, so science is not some static thing that proves or disproves everything and that's the be all and end all. We don't know how the Earth came to exist, even in scientific theories, we don't know. We don't even understand the mechanism of action of paracetamol, most common analgesic. So don't take everything at face value, you can be under the impression that we understand things or have found scientific explanations for things when we actually have not. Scientific models can be really flawed, we may think we proved something and then revisit it in 5 years to find it was completely false.

Science does not disprove a God or any kind of spiritual realm.

If God created the universe, then he created the science of everything.

So science is really not a reason to not believe in spiritual things. Some Christians argue about evolution and creationism, but that's a separate issue from the belief in God. There is a belief called theistic evolution, which means the person believes the Christian God (or a god) initiated the start of all life, including evolution. Adaptation is obvious, living things adapt to their environment over time. However, evolution in regards to one species turning into a completely different species? Well for human beings, I don't believe we evolved from apes.
 
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It is true science can not prove if God exist or not. But, if he did we would have found some evidence of his existence by now. If he is able to control matter then he is able to be measured.

I've said this so many times to so many people. We did not evolve from apes. We have a common ancestor with monkeys, apes,etc.
 
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I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

Science can't predict the future. The bible has been 100% accurate concerning hundreds to thousands of prophecies.

If the bible knows the future, why would anyone believe the past based on science over the bible?
 
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Well, people do feel they have found evidence of his existence, like seemingly impossible things happening after prayer, prophecies etc. You could put it all down to coincidence, but you could do that for positive correlations in scientific studies too.
 
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Well, people do feel they have found evidence of his existence, like seemingly impossible things happening after prayer, prophecies etc. You could put it all down to coincidence, but you could do that for positive correlations in scientific studies too.
Most times the "evidence" is when its just a misunderstanding. For example: When the doctor says "You may never walk again" and after a lot of physical therapy and surgery you are able to walk again.

I have heard this countless times. Then they praise God for it. No, it was not God it was not any supernatural force. You should praise/thank the doctors for their work.






Science can't predict the future. The bible has been 100% accurate concerning hundreds to thousands of prophecies.

If the bible knows the future, why would anyone believe the past based on science over the bible?

Name one.
 
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My apologizes. Here is the current reason: youtube(remove).com/watch?v=ofFhHcvasHA

Either way the old idea is much more reasonable than a deity lol
You can put anything on YouTube so that should never be a source for scientific information.

Again Chemicals do not evolve so there is no know mechanism for chemicals to come together to form life. Life does exist, but we do not know if just chemicals without intelligence could ever come together to form life. There is not even a good hypothesis out there that has not been shot down by science.
 
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=3]You can put anything on YouTube so that should never be a source for scientific information. [/SIZE]

Again Chemicals do not evolve so there is no know mechanism for chemicals to come together to form life. Life does exist, but we do not know if just chemicals without intelligence could ever come together to form life. There is not even a good hypothesis out there that has not been shot down by science.

This is from a science channel this reseach really happen. Where does it say chemicals evole? chemicals formed to create life then it started to evolve.


Edit: Here is the research. I thought a youtube video whould make it simplier.dailygalaxy(remove).com/my_weblog/2013/05/complex-biochemical-processes-possible-at-origins-of-life-on-earth.html
 
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Just gonna say what I believe dont argue its my opinion.

1. Science can't prove anything
2. The evidence of God is all around us
3. The Bible speaks the truth
4. Jesus Christ is my savior
5. God is real, why else would you be compelled to be on this site, it's obviously Gods power drawing you near
 
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I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?
I would have to say, F.E.A.R

But I could be wrong.
 
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Just gonna say what I believe dont argue its my opinion.

1. Science can't prove anything
2. The evidence of God is all around us
3. The Bible speaks the truth
4. Jesus Christ is my savior
5. God is real, why else would you be compelled to be on this site, it's obviously Gods power drawing you near


I know you told me not to argue. But this makes no sense at all. Everyone is entitled tpbtheir own opinion so here is my opinion on your opinion.

1.True. It can't prove God exist or not. Because its like saying prove magical invisible unicorns exist or not. They don't and God does not either. Almost everything that was once thought to have been God work is now explained by science.

2.Name the evidence

3.It speaks of a murdering angry jealous God. And it was written more then 2000 years ago and palagrized other stories in ancient history.

4.Well I'm not sure if he exist at one point or not. But he certainly was just some normal guy thinking he was some all powerful thing.

5. I went on this site because I saw it on an atheist forum. All my doing not some supreme power. I really did laugh at this last point.
 
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There really is no point arguing with you people. Your so blinded by faith that you'll believe anything is true.
Snake, you are an interesting character, very bold. What are you here for? WRT this comment, I can tell you that there is truth in the bible that even you can profit from. Check out Matthew 7:1-2 and see what happened when John NZ replied to you. It does seem to be true.
 
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I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

I believe in God for three reasons;

1. Because I have the external witness of creation
2. Because I have the internal witness of the conscience
3. Because God's Word has proven itself trustworthy

What has science found that is not "God's doing"?

Most times the "evidence" is when its just a misunderstanding. For example: When the doctor says "You may never walk again" and after a lot of physical therapy and surgery you are able to walk again.

I have heard this countless times. Then they praise God for it. No, it was not God it was not any supernatural force. You should praise/thank the doctors for their work.

I have no problem crediting doctors for their work. But the question is, where did the doctor's knowledge come from? Where did his skill come from? Where did the medical science and technology come from that allowed him to do those things? Those things are all common graces of God.

Snake75 said:
But, evolution is a fact and theory. That is how we came to be.

If true, then where did the first organism from which you claim we evolved come from? And what was that organism?

I think I know enough about the scriptures and I know about Christian Faith now.

If you know so much about the scriptures, then why did you have to go to an atheist website to copy and paste a list of somebody else's questions?

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As for the scriptures. Many simpler stories have been found in other "holy" books older than the bible. So basically the bible plagiarized.

Do you have evidence for this claim?
 
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I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

You seem to mistakenly believe that Christians take their belief in God from evidence found in the world, and that is why you can't understand it. Christians take their belief in God based on the authority of His word; they are convinced (by the power of the Holy Spirit) that whatever is written in the Bible is the truth, the only absolute truth there is. Whatever is found in the world is just whatever the world tells of itself; not that it doesn't matter at all, it tells us some pretty neat and useful stuff (some of it for the betterment of society). Yet all of it should be used to the glory of God its creator.

The only thing that sustains my belief is God; if He chooses to turn from me, then I will lose my faith.
 
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