I don't understand...

[Snake75]

I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

 

[Willie T]

Time on this Earth.

 

[LastSeven]

Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

That's an interesting statement when you consider that science is merely the discovery of everything that God has created. Just because people figured out how something works doesn't mean it wasn't made to work that way by God.

As for your original question, there are many things that keep believers believing. I'll give you an example. When you study the scriptures in depth over the course of many years, you come to realize that no human author, let alone multiple authors, could ever conceive of such writings without divine inspiration. Everything in scripture jives, and the message is nothing short of incredible.

Another example is simply the world around us. The only explanation for everything existing as it does is intelligent design. This is also an example of something that science can not explain, by the way.

And thirdly there are of course those spiritual moments where you connect with God and know that he is with you but these moments can typically not be recorded or be used as proof for the skeptics.

Some of those moments that can be recorded happen typically in church or group settings when God speaks through a person in the congregation. I'm assuming you've never experienced this but if you ever experienced it you would definitely reconsider your position.

Imagine you're in church and the congregation is singing or praying and suddenly one member starts speaking at the top of her lungs in a language that nobody understands and she speaks for several minutes as the congregation goes quiet. Then when she's finished, within seconds, a second person starts speaking the same message, but this time in English, again at the top of their lungs and the words that come forth are God himself speaking. The words are spoken in the first person from God saying things like "my children the time is short. pray for your leaders for I have placed them there". This is God speaking directly to us in plain English for all to hear.

 

[Snake75]

That's an interesting statement when you consider that science is merely the discovery of everything that God has created. Just because people figured out how something works doesn't mean it wasn't made to work that way by God.

As for your original question, there are many things that keep believers believing. I'll give you an example. When you study the scriptures in depth over the course of many years, you come to realize that no human author, let alone multiple authors, could ever conceive of such writings without divine inspiration. Everything in scripture jives, and the message is nothing short of incredible.

Another example is simply the world around us. The only explanation for everything existing as it does is intelligent design. This is also an example of something that science can not explain, by the way.

And thirdly there are of course those spiritual moments where you connect with God and know that he is with you but these moments can typically not be recorded or be used as proof for the skeptics.

Some of those moments that can be recorded happen typically in church or group settings when God speaks through a person in the congregation. I'm assuming you've never experienced this but if you ever experienced it you would definitely reconsider your position.

Imagine you're in church and the congregation is singing or praying and suddenly one member starts speaking at the top of her lungs in a language that nobody understands and she speaks for several minutes as the congregation goes quiet. Then when she's finished, within seconds, a second person starts speaking the same message, but this time in English, again at the top of their lungs and the words that come forth are God himself speaking. The words are spoken in the first person from God saying things like "my children the time is short. pray for your leaders for I have placed them there". This is God speaking directly to us in plain English for all to hear.

There is no evidence at all of God's existence so how could you even prove its his work? lol

As for the scriptures. Many simpler stories have been found in other "holy" books older than the bible. So basically the bible plagiarized.

That is not the only explanation.That is the only unreasonable,illogical explanation.

Dont you ever have those moments where you do something really crazy and stupid? Thats exactly what goes on. It is a illness not an act of God. "Speaking in tongues" is gibberish like a baby.

 

[LastSeven]

Oh, so you've already made your mind up and you just came here for an argument. My mistake. I thought you genuinely wanted to know why we believe.

 

[Snake75]

Oh, so you've already made you mind up and you just came here for an argument. My mistake. I thought you genuinely wanted to know why we believe.

I did. But, it after hearing it. It didn't make any sense. So, I'm questioning it.

 

[andy b]

I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

i didnt realise we had created life in a laboratory when did that happen

 

[tp552]

Oh, so you've already made you mind up and you just came here for an argument. My mistake. I thought you genuinely wanted to know why we believe.

 

[Snake75]

i didnt realise we had created life in a laboratory when did that happen

I said almost everything.

 

[LastSeven]

I did. But, it after hearing it. It didn't make any sense. So, I'm questioning it.

what you did was not simply question my explanation. You mocked it by finishing your sentence with lol, and then proceeded to imply that speaking in tongues is an illness.

You are 16 years old and obviously have no clue about scripture or the Christian faith. If you want to know what we're all about we'd be happy to share but you have to humble yourself and keep the insults to yourself. Otherwise there is no point in going any further with this.

 

[andy b]

I said almost everything.

thats the thing though everything else is irrelevant....without life you wouldn't be here grasp it

 

[bling]

I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

I am a scientist and what I have learned is: “the more we know the more we realize we do not know”, so what are these “answers” science has found out, because there has always been more questions produced from every “answer”?

The only “evidence” for the creation of life is the existence of life, so how was it created in the first place?

It just takes a lot more faith to believe there is no god than it takes to believe there is a god.

 

[Snake75]

I am a scientist and what I have learned is: “the more we know the more we realize we do not know”, so what are these “answers” science has found out, because there has always been more questions produced from every “answer”?

The only “evidence” for the creation of life is the existence of life, so how was it created in the first place?

It just takes a lot more faith to believe there is no god than it takes to believe there is a god.

Its much better to say "I don't know" then "it must be God!".

But, evolution is a fact and theory. That is how we came to be.

 

[LastSeven]

Its much better to say "I don't know" then "it must be God!".

Is it?

But, evolution is a fact and theory.

er, care to try that one again?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't understand why people believe in some supreme being. It makes absolutely no sense. There is no evidence at all of its existence. Science has found the answers to almost everything that was once thought of as Gods doing.What keeps you believing in this?

Hello Snake,

Why do I still hold out for belief in Christianity?

Hmmm. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the various books I've read, coupled with a few life experiences. The books you've read, and your life experiences have probably been different than mine. Simple, really. Could there be more to it than that? Could be.

Peace

 

[Snake75]

what you did was not simply question my explanation. You mocked it by finishing your sentence with lol, and then proceeded to imply that speaking in tongues is an illness.

You are 16 years old and obviously have no clue about scripture or the Christian faith. If you want to know what we're all about we'd be happy to share but you have to humble yourself and keep the insults to yourself. Otherwise there is no point in going any further with this.

I think I know enough about the scriptures and I know about Christian Faith now. My age has nothing to do with this.

1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.

2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn't Paul guilty of deception?

3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.

4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.

6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.

7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.

8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.

9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.

10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.

11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.

12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21

13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.

14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.

15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.

17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24

18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."

19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.

20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.

21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.

22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works they do for to be seen of men."

23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.

24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.

25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.

26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.

27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7

28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.

29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.

30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5

31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.

32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22

33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17

34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51

35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.

38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14

39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16

40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31

41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.

Here's a few of hundreds.

 

[LastSeven]

Wow. That's quite a list. I guess that proves you really know what you're talking about, because there's no way you just copied and pasted that from another site. How many of those would we need to explain to you before you change your mind? 10? 20? 30? 100?

 

[Snake75]

Wow. That's quite a list. I guess that proves you really know what you're talking about, because there's no way you just copied and pasted that from another site. How many of those would we need to explain to you before you change your mind? 10? 20? 30? 100?

Most of them are from what I've looked at in the bible some are some the internet.
But go ahead explain.

 

[Johnnz]

Its much better to say "I don't know" then "it must be God!".

But, evolution is a fact and theory. That is how we came to be.

The realm of science has nothing at all to do with 'proving God'. Get rid of that silly notion.

Evolution has both an historical (ie non scientific) and scientific content. Like all scientific theory what we know know can be subject to change later. That's how science works.

John
NZ

 

[Snake75]

The realm of science has nothing at all to do with 'proving God'. Get rid of that silly notion.

Evolution has both an historical (ie non scientific) and scientific content. Like all scientific theory what we know know can be subject to change later. That's how science works.

John
NZ

When did I ever say science can prove God?

You can't prove God exist and you cant disprove it. But, there is no reason for a god to exist.