How to walk in the Spirit.

[Sidon]

Paul doesn't say very much about fruit, and what he does say is of course entirely unrelated to works lest any man should boast... but what he does say applies to you, Sidon. Galatians 5:22-23.

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For the Kingdom Gospel, there's this: Matthew 7:3

And he highlighted you in the same epistle.. Galatians 1:8

 

[Sidon]

I quoted both Matthew 4:17 and Matthew 4:23 at you... and you missed it.

Matthew 4:17-17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. 18
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Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I didnt miss it, you missed it.

You can't understand that the message that Jesus is preaching in Mark 4, before He is Crucified is not sent to Gentiles, but only to the House of Israel.
So, that is one Message, that Paul didnt preach, as His message is the same as John's, here.... John 3:16

The other verse, is related not to the Church, as the Church is Raptured well before Rev 22.

So, what you have not been taught is that when the time of the Gentiles, ends, so does the Gospel of the Grace of God.
What does that mean?
It means that in your 2nd verse, Rev 22, there is no "gospel of Grace" but what is being preached is what some describe as "Tribulation Salvation" Gospel, which is obviously different the the Gospel of the Grace of God that is preached during the "time of the Gentiles". that is the "GIFT of Salvation".

See, in the Grt Trib, you have a different Gospel, which you dont recognized as different because your Gospel that your church teaches, is works and commandments, that you see in Rev 22.

See all that? "do His commandments", and enter through the Gate of the City"
?

That is not Paul's Gospel, and it is not what Jesus teaches as John 14:6

Jesus says that HE is THE WAY..

Your verse says that commandment keeping and entering by the "gate" is the gospel, or the way.

Believe me, it isnt.
The CROSS is the only way, and you need to realize this.

The Gospel is not about gates and commandment keeping.....The Gospel is the "preaching of The Cross". and the "Blood of Jesus" shed for sinners.

 

[Ligurian]

And he highlighted you in the same epistle.. Galatians 1:8

I'm not under the gospel to the gentiles, which you actually seem to know.

How to spot the Devil

Some might even call that flaming, right from the get-go.

 

[Ligurian]

I didnt miss it, you missed it.

You can't understand that the message that Jesus is preaching in Mark 4, before He is Crucified is not sent to Gentiles, but only to the House of Israel.

So, that is one Message, that Paul didnt preach, as His message is the same as John's, here.... John 3:16

The other verse, is related not to the Church, as the Church is Raptured well before Rev 22.

So, what you have not been taught is that when the time of the Gentiles, ends, so does the Gospel of the Grace of God.
What does that mean?
It means that in your 2nd verse, Rev 22, there is no "gospel of Grace" but what is being preached is what some describe as "Tribulation Salvation" Gospel, which is obviously different the the Gospel of the Grace of God that is preached during the "time of the Gentiles". that is the "GIFT of Salvation".

See, in the Grt Trib, you have a different Gospel, which you dont recognized as different because your Gospel that your church teaches, is works and commandments, that you see in Rev 22.

See all that? "do His commandments", and enter through the Gate of the City"
?

That is not Paul's Gospel, and it is not what Jesus teaches as John 14:6

Jesus says that HE is THE WAY..

Your verse says that commandment keeping and entering by the "gate" is the gospel, or the way.

Believe me, it isnt.
The CROSS is the only way, and you need to realize this.

The Gospel is not about gates and commandment keeping.....The Gospel is the "preaching of The Cross". and the "Blood of Jesus" shed for sinners.

In other words, you're believing what all the dispensational colleges believe... this I already know... been there, done that... moved on.

Because stand-alone verses aren't nearly enough, there's this, with John3:16...

John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This is what's meant by "unless the Father draweth him"... in that verse, the man comes to Jesus because the Law was already cleaning up his act. Hence the baptism of repentence, to show that you have been under what James calls the Law of liberty... and please don't try to snag this verse, because James is all, "Faith without works is dead"... and it won't work for you at all... in context.

If I were to believe that commandments are not eternal life, I would have to start with denying this:

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

... and follow that heresy on through the rest of these:

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.

John 15:10 If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Just a small sample... It's "all of a piece", as they say.


You seem to think that I was kidding when I told you several times, regarding Paul: ...been there, done that... moved on... because you keep trying to persuade me... or maybe you're not talking to me, just talking near me.

Also... the Way that Jesus went to prepare... it's the Resurrection of Life... so you can stop making that poor horse into glue sticks.

 

[Hmm]

I didnt miss it, you missed it

Are you writing all this from the playground?

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are fig trees and then there are fig trees.

Matthew 21:18 Now in the morning as He returned into the city, He hungered. 19 And when He saw a fig tree in the way, He came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. 20 And when the Disciples saw [it], they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

This fig tree equals the mountain... which is this mountain here:

Revelation 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Even more meaning exists in the Greek which never happens in the English translation. So, thank God for interlinear Strong's.

Yes the word translated to “cast” brings with it some pretty strong intentions. To discard or throw away with no regard usually in a violent manner.

 

[fhansen]

I didnt miss it, you missed it.

You can't understand that the message that Jesus is preaching in Mark 4, before He is Crucified is not sent to Gentiles, but only to the House of Israel.
So, that is one Message, that Paul didnt preach, as His message is the same as John's, here.... John 3:16

The other verse, is related not to the Church, as the Church is Raptured well before Rev 22.

So, what you have not been taught is that when the time of the Gentiles, ends, so does the Gospel of the Grace of God.
What does that mean?
It means that in your 2nd verse, Rev 22, there is no "gospel of Grace" but what is being preached is what some describe as "Tribulation Salvation" Gospel, which is obviously different the the Gospel of the Grace of God that is preached during the "time of the Gentiles". that is the "GIFT of Salvation".

See, in the Grt Trib, you have a different Gospel, which you dont recognized as different because your Gospel that your church teaches, is works and commandments, that you see in Rev 22.

See all that? "do His commandments", and enter through the Gate of the City"
?

That is not Paul's Gospel, and it is not what Jesus teaches as John 14:6

Jesus says that HE is THE WAY..

Your verse says that commandment keeping and entering by the "gate" is the gospel, or the way.

Believe me, it isnt.
The CROSS is the only way, and you need to realize this.

The Gospel is not about gates and commandment keeping.....The Gospel is the "preaching of The Cross". and the "Blood of Jesus" shed for sinners.

This notion, that Jesus was teaching a works-based salvation aimed strictly at the Jews at some points in His ministry, but not in others where He’s teaching a non works-based salvation, is so contrived and antithetical to the true gospel it’s hard to know where to begin to amend this confusion.

The basis or essence of the New Covenant is not about suddenly freeing us from the obligation to be righteous, as if we can now separate personal righteousness from being truly just or righteous in Gods eyes. Rather it’s about finally giving us the authentic means to obtain it. With God, instead of the way we’re born, apart from Him. We need a new life first of all, the life of grace, lived in the Spirit, God indwelling, if we’re going to hope to be who we were created to be. We can’t do it on our own- never could.

This new creation is and must be more than an ideal, or a resolution in our minds but must become the truth of who we are, in word and deed and fact, even if not perfectly so in this life in some absolute sense as it will be in the next. He’s the judge at the end of the day of how well we’ve done considering what we started with, and then what we’ve been given, and so how well we’ve truly remained with Him. John tells us we don’t even know Him if we live unrighteously.

“Apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5
“With God all things are possible.” Matt 19:26
“I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.” Phil 4:3

 

[BNR32FAN]

The issue isn't Paul, the issue is that you dont understand this verse.

1 John 3:9

And dont ever use the NIV, as it is dumpster food.
This "version" will ruin your faith.

Then look at Romans 4:8, and find out why that is true.
(Read my Threads)

So, if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking that the water washed your sins away....it didn't..........then....If you can come to understand that you are not your flesh, as that is the "Old man" that is crucified with Christ.....and NOW the born again are become... a new Creation.

There is your answer found, but you have to find it.
I can only teach it.

If what you are saying is true then there would be no need for Paul to warn believers of returning to a sinful lifestyle like he does in every single epistle he wrote.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The issue isn't Paul, the issue is that you dont understand this verse.

1 John 3:9

Your the one who doesn’t understand it since he already said this previously in the same epistle.

“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So if people who are born again cannot sin why did Paul write this?

“So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:17-32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now on light of what Paul just said there you should consider what he meant when he wrote this verse that you quoted from Galatians.

“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Paul preached that “the Saints in Ephesus who are faithful to Christ” and whom were “sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption” were capable of sin. Is that the same gospel you are preaching? No it is not.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And dont ever use the NIV, as it is dumpster food.

I don’t think I’ve quoted from the NIV in my entire life except to point out its mistakes. In any case how would you know that the NIV is garbage if you’ve never compared it to the original Greek texts?

 

[Sidon]

I'm not under the gospel to the gentiles,

I agree.
You are definitely under the dominion of the law.

 

[Sidon]

I don’t think I’ve quoted from the NIV in my entire life except to point out its mistakes. In any case how would you know that the NIV is garbage if you’ve never compared it to the original Greek texts?

There is no "original greek" texts.
There are only copies of copies.

So, you can't compare the NIV, to any greek at all, as you can't read greek.

Time to stop pretending.
Give that a try.

 

[Sidon]

I

Some might even call that flaming, right from the get-go.

Talking about these verses, is anything but flaming....
IN fact its the most needful Thread any Christian forum will ever receive.
Believe it.

2nd Corinthians 11:14,15

 

[Sidon]

If I were to believe that commandments are not eternal life, I would have to start with denying this:

Eternal life Hung on The Cross.

John said, that you may KNOW you have Eternal Life.

It the same thing.

Its Jesus.

Jesus said in John 14:6 that He is ""THE LIFE".
See that?
That's not commandments.


And ask yourself...>"did commandments hang on the Cross"?

If they did, then use their blood as your Salvation.
If not, you have some work to do, regarding your latest revised belief system.

 

[Sidon]

Are you writing all this from the playground?

Is your comment your IQ test?

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is no "original greek" texts.
There are only copies of copies.

So, you can't compare the NIV, to any greek at all, as you can't read greek.

Time to stop pretending.
Give that a try.

Oh but I thought you “studied the Greek manuscripts” when you ALLEGEDLY attended seminary school.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is no "original greek" texts.
There are only copies of copies.

So, you can't compare the NIV, to any greek at all, as you can't read greek.

Time to stop pretending.
Give that a try.

Oh and you skipped post 1669

 

[Sidon]

Yes the word translated to “cast” brings with it some pretty strong intentions. To discard or throw away with no regard usually in a violent manner.

A castaway is not someone who has lost their salvation.
A "castaway" is someone who did not respect it, and took it for granted.

= DEMAS

Paul's context is...>"i have finished my Course"..

See that "finished"?
That is an entire Christian life that was maintained earnestly and always.

vs, the "castaway", who backslid some, never learned how to stop sinning and confessing, and stayed in the christian diaper stage till they died.
This is the believer who never grew up, never learned how to walk in the Spirit, seldom prayed, never praised, and believed that they were doing God a favor by dragging themselves out of bed once a week to try not to sleep through another dead legalist sermon.

This dead weight believer, never taught a sunday school, never sang in choir, never continually gave to the poor, ....... in other words, born again to do nothing that mattered to God.
That's your "castaway".

 

[Sidon]

This notion, that Jesus was teaching a works-based salvation aimed strictly at the Jews at some points in His ministry, but not in others where He’s teaching a non works-based salvation,

Here is the confusion.

Christ came not to the gentiles, but to the House of Israel.
So, what He does with them, is for them.

Next.
What Christ teaches, before He dies on the Cross, has to be interpreted THEOLOGICALLY and DOCTRINALLY, through Paul. 2nd...
But 1st, it has to be interpreted SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED, and that can't happen unless you are born again, and are living in this verse as your Faith.

Hebrews 13:9

Let me try an analogy, for you.

If you want to see something that you can't see with the human eye, you have to get a microscope to SEE IT.

If you want to understand the NT, you have to see it through the lens of "The Gospel of the Grace of God".....or you can't see it.

 

[Sidon]

If what you are saying is true then there would be no need for Paul to warn believers of returning to a sinful lifestyle like he does in every single epistle he wrote.

No he doesn't.

Also, Paul only preaches one Gospel.
Its not the Gospel of commandment keeping or deeds, or works.

Its the Gospel of THE CROSS.
This is simply God reconciling the world to Himself, one person at a time, when they BELIEVE IN JESUS.