How to walk in the Spirit.

[fhansen]

What do you do with Matthew 28:18-20?

You'll have to enlighten me here-I don't see the conflict so far.

 

[Sidon]

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[Sidon]

And yet Christ said that some will not remain in Him in John 15.

All unbelievers are not in Christ.
There is a reason for that...
And this includes religious people, who are water baptized and deceive by Satan's ministers into BELIEVING that WATER is the redemption of God and getting wet is their salvation.

So to "remain" in Jesus, simply means you have to be born again into God's Spirit.
This new birth causes this..>"One with God IN Christ".
To be "In Christ" is why Jesus is IN all the born again, and why all the born again "remain" in Christ.

 

[Hmm]

All unbelievers are not in Christ.
There is a reason for that...
And this includes religious people, who are water baptized and deceive by Satan's ministers into BELIEVING that WATER is the redemption of God and getting wet is their salvation.

So to "remain" in Jesus, simply means you have to be born again into God's Spirit.
This new birth causes this..>"One with God IN Christ".
To be "In Christ" is why Jesus is IN all the born again, and why all the born again "remain" in Christ.

Fascinating theory but it flatly contradicts John 15 and many other other areas in the Bible as has already been pointed out to you at length. Is there anything about John 15 in particular that you are unclear about?

 

[Sidon]

whew... that's a relief. Thought I was going to have to tell you that til the beast shows up.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

God is not interested in your "patience".
He only interested in your Faith in Christ.
He will accept you for no other reason.

 

[Sidon]

Revelation 1:9-11 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the Kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:12-14 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:15-16 And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and His voice as the sound of many waters.

I've met a lot of people over the years who read symbolic verses in a bible, and can't understand why you dont apply them to yourself as literal.
Very common mistake a person makes who is hypwe religious and reads the word like its a fantasy novel.

 

[Sidon]

Colossians 2:14 ... want peas and carrots with that?

Colossians 2:14

Beautiful verse.
It show us Christ becoming the sin of the Born again so that by this sacrifice we can become "the righteousness of God in Christ".

 

[Sidon]

Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Jesus is the " LIVING Bread come down from Heaven".
Jesus is "God, manifest in the Flesh".
All that believe in Jesus, shall be born again (saved)". "made righteous".
Jesus , the Living Bread says...>"all that come unto me, i will in no wise cast out".

Jesus says, "all that believe in me, shall never perish and i give unto them, eternal life".

Jesus said, "if you believe that i am not the Savior, you will DIE IN YOUR SINS".

 

[Sidon]

Fascinating theory but it flatly contradicts John 15 and many other other areas in the Bible as has already been pointed out to you at length. Is there anything about John 15 in particular that you are unclear about?

Never try to use a symbolic verse to prove legalism.

 

[Hmm]

Never try to use a symbolic verse to prove legalism.

It's a chapter, not a verse. Verses are within chapters. Anything else about John 15 you're unsure about?

 

[Sidon]

It's a chapter, not a verse. Verses are within chapters. Anything else about John 15 you're unsure about?

The specific verses, inside the Chapter, are symbolic.
Those are in the Chapter.

You are not a branch.
Jesus is not a Plant.

The born again are not "burned".......... as if they were, then Christ would burn with them, as He is IN all the born again.

 

[Hmm]

You are not a branch.
Jesus is not a Plant.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
John 15:5

I feel we're making good progress. Anything else?

 

[Sidon]

I feel we're making good progress. Anything else?

When you can teach the "blood atonement", then you'll know.
Not till then.

 

[Hmm]

When you can teach the "blood atonement", then you'll know.
Not till then.

I still feel there are some nuances in John 15 that would be worth going over but if you're eager to move on then great. I like seeing this spirit of enthusiasm in you and I'll encourage it whenever I can. Tell me something about ”blood atonement” then. Is this something that most churches teach or only a few?

 

[Minister Monardo]

Its not an "interpretation", its a fact.
Its a fact that the "circumcision made without hands. Colossians 2, is a fact.
Its a fact that the born again Spirit can't sin, as this is born again into the Spirit of God, and there is no Sin found in God, or in God's Kingdom, where all the born again exist.
Thats a fact.

There you go again. Ignoring my entire post, and cutting off one sentence to use to make
a useless comment in response.
Facts lie. Your 'facts' are nothing but opinions. Let us know when you want to discuss the truth.
Next time, try responding in spirit and in truth, and spare me your facts.
"Name it, claim it" is not real faith.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Thats a fact

1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed abides in him;
and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
They do not sin because they cannot sin, because His seed abides in him.
John is not introducing new information here.
What can we say of someone who has been born of God, and
ceased from sinning by abiding in Him?
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
1 John 2:10 He who loves his brother abides in the Light,
and there is no cause for stumbling in him. (That could go a long way toward not sinning)
1 John 2:14 I have written to you, fathers, because you have known Him from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you,
And you have overcome the wicked one.
The young men who did not know Christ from beginning, but placed their faith in Him, based on
the testimony received from the elders, and the word of God abides in them. By abiding in the
Word of God, or His seed, they have overcome the wicked one. (Overcoming by abiding).

1 John 2:17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but whoever does
the will of God abides forever.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Its not an "interpretation", its a fact.
Its a fact that the "circumcision made without hands. Colossians 2, is a fact.
Its a fact that the born again Spirit can't sin, as this is born again into the Spirit of God, and there is no Sin found in God, or in God's Kingdom, where all the born again exist.
Thats a fact.

Wait for it, here comes the IF.
1 John 2:24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning.
If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son
and in the Father.
So, can someone be a true teacher who does not comprehend the need to abide?
The question is becoming "do you abide", not "are you born again".
Here comes more abiding. Take your time.
1 John 2:
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who deceive you.
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you,
and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing
teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just
as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

What good comes from someone who claims to be a teacher of real truth and real faith,
who says that if you are born again you cannot sin. How can we easily explain an apparent
contradiction? An apparent contradiction, of course is no contradiction, but a teaching coming
from a lack of comprehension. Is there any more information available directly from this source
that helps clarify what John is teaching?

 

[Minister Monardo]

Its not an "interpretation", its a fact.
Its a fact that the "circumcision made without hands. Colossians 2, is a fact.
Its a fact that the born again Spirit can't sin, as this is born again into the Spirit of God, and there is no Sin found in God, or in God's Kingdom, where all the born again exist.
Thats a fact.

1 John 2:
28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence
and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices
righteousness is born of Him.
Okay, that's useful. The truly born again practices righteousness. This is the opposite
side of the coin for someone who has ceased from sin, they can practice righteousness.
In fact, Paul says in Romans 6, that the saints are slaves to righteousness, unto holiness.
John says "cease from sin", Paul says, "no longer a slave to sin". Witness?
Now we have painted a much clearer picture and context for this one verse: 1 John 3:9
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin.
Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous. [could this be the fruit of righteousness?]
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose
the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, because His seed abides in him;
and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Its not an "interpretation", its a fact.
Its a fact that the "circumcision made without hands. Colossians 2, is a fact.
Its a fact that the born again Spirit can't sin, as this is born again into the Spirit of God, and there is no Sin found in God, or in God's Kingdom, where all the born again exist.
Thats a fact.

So is there really a conflict for John within himself? In the context of this one letter, he
fully elaborates on what it means to abide. For what reason?
1 John 1:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. He convicts the heart of sin, judgment and righteousness.
If you abide in that Spirit, you can overcome the enemy by heeding the Voice of the Spirit.
The testimony of the Spirit to our spirit for conviction of sin and the keeping of a clean
conscience allows are mature Christian to be "kept by the power of God" from sinning.
Not by their own sufficiency, but learning to abide in the Spirit we have been given as gift,
given to all who are of faith AND are willing to abide in Him.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
So the Holy Spirit has convicted you of sin what must you do? Confess to your brethren.
Then what happens? Not just forgiven, oh no! He cleanses us from all righteousness.
Now, in a mature relationship, you can practice righteousness. So here is the misconception.
People say that if a believer sins, it means they are not born again. This is FALSE!
A believer who sins has failed to abide in the Spirit they have been given.
If with a contrite heart they confess, they can be forgiven, and cleansed from the cause of that sin. This is what it means to "come to the light" that your deeds may be made known.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and
His word is not in us. = His seed is not abiding in them, therefore they still stumble,
but they do not fall if they continue (another way of translating meno=abide) in the
promises, for He has told you that He will be a Father to you, and you will be His child.
He will discipline you, correct you, so that you can continue on His Way that you are walking.
Now, to review:
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
1 John 2:10 He who loves his brother abides in the Light,
and there is no cause for stumbling in him.
Every spiritual battle is won over the carnal nature by continuing in His Spirit.

 

[Minister Monardo]

The born again are not "burned".......... as if they were, then Christ would burn with them, as He is IN all the born again.

What about people who deceive and are being deceived?